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Mr Crown · 27 February 2020, 05:01 AM

I wasn't going to post about this but after a few weeks letting the dust settle and reflecting I thought I would to see what forum members think

Started buying from this particular AD in the uk in 2001 , first purchased a Breitling chronomat evolution, then a Breitling Bentley after that i got the Rolex bug bought....

Bi Metal Sub
Deepsea
Gmt stainless
Gmt Blnr
Seadweller 50th
Gmt Pepsi

I also own further Rolex models not purchased from this specific dealer as some i bought are used

So i have been on the list for a stainless Daytona for 6 years i had been chasing the dealer every 6 months as the ceramic model has become a bit of a grail for me , then last month i was offered a used one at £16.5k which i thought was a very good deal, taking into account recent spending and other commitments i decided i had to let a watch go to justify shelling out on the Daytona

I decided on the Pepsi, i had worn it on only three occasions and was as new so i listed the watch on eBay, i had various interest and calls but after chatting with 2 or 3 potential buyers who were fellow Rolex fans and collectors i decided i couldn't part with it and removed it from eBay with a decision made to wait for the Daytona

The following day i received a surprise call from my AD , expecting good news on the Daytona i took the call , only to be dropped the bombshell that my Pespsi had been spotted on ebay by rolex and i would no longer be able to purchase from them again!!

Now initially i denied this knowing that i would be looked at as a flipper but then came clean and said i had advertised it but changed my mind and removed, told them i had the watch and would bring it through for them to look at if that would put their mind at rest only to be told NO FURTHER PURCHASES END OF...after which i lost it and basically told them to get F***ed

so

Locust · 27 February 2020, 05:05 AM

How on earth would they know it was your gmt on ebay?

MattyL147 · 27 February 2020, 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Locust

How on earth would they know it was your gmt on ebay?

Agreed. Unless you posted a picture of the back of your card, a receipt, or other identifying information, this is totally inconceivable.

Zakalwe · 27 February 2020, 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by MattyL147

Agreed. Unless you posted a picture of the back of your card, a receipt, or other identifying information, this is totally inconceivable.

AD manager has told me he has spent time searching pics on grey listings looking for serial numbers on the rehaut. He said he’d rather find out before Rolex did to anticipate the bollocking he’d get.

Wahlberg · 27 February 2020, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

AD manager has told me he has spent time searching pics

What a shitty job, doesn't he have more important things to do?

42itus · 27 February 2020, 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Wahlberg

What a shitty job, doesn't he have more important things to do?

Like telling all the walk in customers that there are no stainless steel models available?

Pete26 · 27 February 2020, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Wahlberg

What a shitty job, doesn't he have more important things to do?

Well, he has no watches to sell.

cloudplay · 28 February 2020, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Wahlberg

What a shitty job, doesn't he have more important things to do?

Like what, watch over his empty display cases or the handful of two-tone lady datejusts?

snyde · 27 February 2020, 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Zakalwe

AD manager has told me he has spent time searching pics on grey listings looking for serial numbers on the rehaut. He said he’d rather find out before Rolex did to anticipate the bollocking he’d get.

Riiiight

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DonRickles · 27 February 2020, 05:10 AM

No soup for you!

MARGARITATIME · 28 February 2020, 07:09 AM

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No soup for you!

Perfect response!! Sucks you got busted. Personally I feel you have every right to sell your watch whenever and to whoever you want. Just don't expect to get another one fron the same AD.

padi56 · 27 February 2020, 05:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Locust

How on earth would they know it was your gmt on ebay?

Have to agree more fantasy Island posts.

joli160 · 27 February 2020, 05:32 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree more fantasy Island posts.

If anybody is down to earth ... Your comments always make me smile, thanks

Tools · 27 February 2020, 05:37 AM

Unlikely that Rolex would waste time looking through ads about people selling their personal watches. Rolex got their money when it was delivered to the Dealer, and such an effort would take massive time and resources for zero return for them.

Selling your watch is not the Grey Market.

beshannon · 27 February 2020, 05:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Unlikely that Rolex would waste time looking through ads about people selling their personal watches. Rolex got their money when it was delivered to the Dealer, and such an effort would take massive time and resources for zero return for them.

Selling your watch is not the Grey Market.

Exactly

And waiting six years for them to not deliver a watch makes me wonder why you could possibly upset? Unless of course this entire thread is . . .

6538 · 27 February 2020, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

Unlikely that Rolex would waste time looking through ads about people selling their personal watches. Rolex got their money when it was delivered to the Dealer, and such an effort would take massive time and resources for zero return for them.

Selling your watch is not the Grey Market.

Perhaps not Rolex HQ in Geneva, but what about Rolex UK? Could they have their own ways of dealing with flipping or suspected flippers?

Art 1 · 27 February 2020, 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree more fantasy Island posts.

It does happen. I know of a person it happened to. Several others here do too.

justdate · 27 February 2020, 08:52 AM

So not only did you make a bundle on the Pepsi your AD got you, you also can’t blow any of the profit on any more watches thanks to the AD. Sounds to me like your AD is making you a very wealthy man!!

jaisonline · 27 February 2020, 09:45 PM

Padi,

I don't think you know whats's going on with some ADs outside of your area. Some ADs are under so much pressure to not get caught flipping while others don't give a single hoot and sell to grays all day long through various ways.

My AD's manager (also a friend & mine and my wife) has someone look on eBay at watches being listed w/ in a 50 mile radius from his zip code (eBay search feature).

His Rolex Regional Manager is tough on ADs selling to flippers. He also needs to do stupid stuff with the display windows, audit stuff like those space filler caps, etc...

two years ago when we had a member here openly post / brag about wanting to flip a SS black Daytona & his profile listed his city, my AD actually created an account to PM that member to find out the serial / store bought from when inquiring about the watch. He wanted to know if the watch came from his store.

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Originally Posted by padi56

Have to agree more fantasy Island posts.

Art 1 · 27 February 2020, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by jaisonline

Padi,

I don't think you know whats's going on with some ADs outside of your area. Some ADs are under so much pressure to not get caught flipping while others don't give a single hoot and sell to grays all day long through various ways.

My AD's manager (also a friend & mine and my wife) has someone look on eBay at watches being listed w/ in a 50 mile radius from his zip code (eBay search feature).

His Rolex Regional Manager is tough on ADs selling to flippers. He also needs to do stupid stuff with the display windows, audit stuff like those space filler caps, etc...

two years ago when we had a member here openly post / brag about wanting to flip a SS black Daytona & his profile listed his city, my AD actually created an account to PM that member to find out the serial / store bought from when inquiring about the watch. He wanted to know if the watch came from his store.

I know of 2 posters here and the wife of one of them who are no longer welcome to buy watches at the local AD. Because of flipping. They were buying and flipping quite a bit.

Dsmith1974 · 29 February 2020, 04:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Locust

How on earth would they know it was your gmt on ebay?

Just wondering this. Did you reveal the serial number on the warranty card?

I wonder whether the AD had their hands tied by Rolex or whether they didn’t? Either way I think it’s unjust you can’t appeal and put your case forward. The AD should’ve done this for you.

Dsmith1974 · 29 February 2020, 04:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

Just wondering this. Did you reveal the serial number on the warranty card?

I wonder whether the AD had their hands tied by Rolex or whether they didn’t? Either way I think it’s unjust you can’t appeal and put your case forward. The AD should’ve done this for you.

This reminds me of the time I bought my first Rolex from Bucherers in London. The assistant told me at the time that it was very important to understand that I could never, ever sell the watch to anyone. I laughed it off at the time (still do) but I see what she was getting at now, at least from her side of the desk.

scurfa · 29 February 2020, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Dsmith1974

Just wondering this. Did you reveal the serial number on the warranty card?

I wonder whether the AD had their hands tied by Rolex or whether they didn’t? Either way I think it’s unjust you can’t appeal and put your case forward. The AD should’ve done this for you.

I’ve just looked at two Pepsi GMT’s on eBay and both display the shop name and the serial can be read on the rehaut! The location and user names give them away as well, Rolex and the AD’s are on the look out for this all the time.

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brucethemanlee · 27 February 2020, 05:07 AM

Did you not mask your serial number?

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Showcall · 27 February 2020, 04:28 PM

[QUOTE=brucethemanlee;10409750]Did you not mask your serial number?

It would appear not? or a potential customer was a rolex employee? my Ad told me that "rolex" keeps any eye on these things.

brandrea · 27 February 2020, 05:09 AM

I’m not sure understand ... you tried to flip a Pepsi you bought at your AD in order to buy a Daytona on the gray market ?

I might not be happy about that either if I’m your AD.

ChipotleBanana · 27 February 2020, 08:31 AM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

I’m not sure understand ... you tried to flip a Pepsi you bought at your AD in order to buy a Daytona on the gray market ?

I might not be happy about that either if I’m your AD.

You can't fix stupid...

challer · 28 February 2020, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

I’m not sure understand ... you tried to flip a Pepsi you bought at your AD in order to buy a Daytona on the gray market ?

I might not be happy about that either if I’m your AD.

It’s none of his business. How many people really grovel for goods? I shop where I want for whatever I want. People can have what I want at the right price else I move on. They certainly aren’t doing you any favors.

brandrea · 28 February 2020, 11:08 PM

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Originally Posted by challer

It’s none of his business. How many people really grovel for goods? I shop where I want for whatever I want. People can have what I want at the right price else I move on. They certainly aren’t doing you any favors.

We will agree to disagree then. Its the AD's business and he doesn't have to sell to the OP again if he doesn't want to.

I think if I were the AD I'd be a bit miffed as well. The optics certainly don't look good IMO.

sgwatchguy · 28 February 2020, 11:39 PM

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Originally Posted by brandrea

We will agree to disagree then. Its the AD's business and he doesn't have to sell to the OP again if he doesn't want to.

I think if I were the AD I'd be a bit miffed as well. The optics certainly don't look good IMO.

+1

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27 February 2020, 05:01 AM	#1
Mr Crown "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Uk Posts: 36	Banned from my AD I wasn't going to post about this but after a few weeks letting the dust settle and reflecting I thought I would to see what forum members think Started buying from this particular AD in the uk in 2001 , first purchased a Breitling chronomat evolution, then a Breitling Bentley after that i got the Rolex bug bought.... Bi Metal Sub Deepsea Gmt stainless Gmt Blnr Seadweller 50th Gmt Pepsi I also own further Rolex models not purchased from this specific dealer as some i bought are used So i have been on the list for a stainless Daytona for 6 years i had been chasing the dealer every 6 months as the ceramic model has become a bit of a grail for me , then last month i was offered a used one at £16.5k which i thought was a very good deal, taking into account recent spending and other commitments i decided i had to let a watch go to justify shelling out on the Daytona I decided on the Pepsi, i had worn it on only three occasions and was as new so i listed the watch on eBay, i had various interest and calls but after chatting with 2 or 3 potential buyers who were fellow Rolex fans and collectors i decided i couldn't part with it and removed it from eBay with a decision made to wait for the Daytona The following day i received a surprise call from my AD , expecting good news on the Daytona i took the call , only to be dropped the bombshell that my Pespsi had been spotted on ebay by rolex and i would no longer be able to purchase from them again!! Now initially i denied this knowing that i would be looked at as a flipper but then came clean and said i had advertised it but changed my mind and removed, told them i had the watch and would bring it through for them to look at if that would put their mind at rest only to be told NO FURTHER PURCHASES END OF...after which i lost it and basically told them to get F***ed so

27 February 2020, 05:37 AM	#14
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	Unlikely that Rolex would waste time looking through ads about people selling their personal watches. Rolex got their money when it was delivered to the Dealer, and such an effort would take massive time and resources for zero return for them. Selling your watch is not the Grey Market. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

27 February 2020, 05:05 AM	#2
Locust "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: Usa Watch: All Posts: 1,422	How on earth would they know it was your gmt on ebay?

27 February 2020, 05:10 AM	#10
DonRickles Banned Join Date: Jan 2020 Real Name: Don Location: Vegas Nite Club Watch: Your mouth Posts: 2,315	No soup for you!

27 February 2020, 08:52 AM	#18
justdate "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2012 Real Name: RJ Location: UK Coast Watch: PP/AP/Rolex Posts: 1,359	So not only did you make a bundle on the Pepsi your AD got you, you also can’t blow any of the profit on any more watches thanks to the AD. Sounds to me like your AD is making you a very wealthy man!!

27 February 2020, 05:07 AM	#24
brucethemanlee "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2016 Location: 1 of 13 Colonies Posts: 8,575	Did you not mask your serial number? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

27 February 2020, 04:28 PM	#25
Showcall "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2013 Location: Australia Watch: SS Skydweller Posts: 659	[QUOTE=brucethemanlee;10409750]Did you not mask your serial number? It would appear not? or a potential customer was a rolex employee? my Ad told me that "rolex" keeps any eye on these things.

27 February 2020, 05:09 AM	#26
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,129	I’m not sure understand ... you tried to flip a Pepsi you bought at your AD in order to buy a Daytona on the gray market ? I might not be happy about that either if I’m your AD.

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