New Radiomir Bronzo + 42mm Submersible Bronzo Coming - Reference PAM 760

[uracowman]

I posted this over on Paneristi and wanted to put the PSA out here.

It looks like there are two new bronzos coming. One is the Panerai 760, which is the first non-submersible bronzo in a radiomir case w/ a greenish/gray dial. Imagine the PAM 720 but in a bronzo case and a different dial.

The other is a 42mm blue submersible bronzo. It's literally the 671 in a 42mm case.

[Cru Jones]

“Year of the Luminor” morphing into “Year of Milking Bronzo”. ;-)

Here are photos I’ve seen floating around.

For me, the Rad is a bit of a mess with the gradient green and blue hands. As for the sub, I think it would have been better at 44.

[Vittorio77]

44 bronze will be next year limited edition

[rajurama]

Can someone explain the difference in limited or special editions as most Pams I saw are either out of 200 500 1500 ... And they have Alphabets aswell... So its Unlimited Limited Editions?

[uracowman]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Can someone explain the difference in limited or special editions as most Pams I saw are either out of 200 500 1500 ... And they have Alphabets aswell... So its Unlimited Limited Editions?

There's a lot of confusion out there but I can clarify. With Panerai, limited edition and special edition are two different things but it's important to note that since JMP came onboard as the CEO, he got rid of special editions.

Limited edition in Panerai speak means a watch that is numbered, IE X of 250, X of 2500, etc. In essence, this means every watch is "limited" but limited edition is sort of a BS term for Panerai.

Special edition means a watch that is a one year run. That watch is made for one year for X number of units, and won't be made again. If you go to the special edition archives on the Panerai site, you'll see the watches that have come out every year as a special edition.

[rajurama]

Originally Posted by uracowman

There's a lot of confusion out there but I can clarify. With Panerai, limited edition and special edition are two different things but it's important to note that since JMP came onboard as the CEO, he got rid of special editions.



Limited edition in Panerai speak means a watch that is numbered, IE X of 250, X of 2500, etc. In essence, this means every watch is "limited" but limited edition is sort of a BS term for Panerai.



Special edition means a watch that is a one year run. That watch is made for one year for X number of units, and won't be made again. If you go to the special edition archives on the Panerai site, you'll see the watches that have come out every year as a special edition.

Thanks , been following your post on FB aswell. I was confused when I bought my Pam 684 , online reviews stated limited rin of 250 then when mine came it was x / 500 different alphabet not that I care but its silly.

I still don't get the Bronze hype...

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[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Thanks , been following your post on FB aswell. I was confused when I bought my Pam 684 , online reviews stated limited rin of 250 then when mine came it was x / 500 different alphabet not that I care but its silly.

I still don't get the Bronze hype...

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The letter refers to the year of production. The number is the number produced for a given year.

[rajurama]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

The letter refers to the year of production. The number is the number produced for a given year.

Understood , So the watch I have had a 2 year run .. 250 in 2018 and 500 in 2019 ... Not all the alphabets :)

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[Ravager135]

Is Panerai just not getting it? I don't understand. It's the same thing over and over and over. If they are going to do the same thing; simplify and retool the base models into cohesive lines. Everything is a novelty executed in bronze, Carbotech, sailcloth dial, blue dial, green dial...

[Dan2010]

Originally Posted by Ravager135

Is Panerai just not getting it? I don't understand. It's the same thing over and over and over. If they are going to do the same thing; simplify and retool the base models into cohesive lines. Everything is a novelty executed in bronze, Carbotech, sailcloth dial, blue dial, green dial...

Kinda like Rolex.............

[Ravager135]

Originally Posted by Dan2010

Kinda like Rolex.............

Rolex design has remained very conservative in the modern era, but they are also guilty of falling into the tactic of changing "something" every year to create a buzz for Baselworld. The difference with Rolex is that their design changes are so subtle that they still adhere to their established aesthetic and design language they have used for half a century. That's not my criticism here. Panerai is doing new stuff, but then they are just rolling it out across everything they do making it ubiquitous.

I appreciate the innovations that Panerai is experimenting with. They certainly were among the first to jump on the bronze bandwagon. Their initial blue and green dial Submersibles were cool. Now, everything gets the treatment. It makes the initial releases less special and crowds the catalog.

[Cru Jones]

Originally Posted by Ravager135

Rolex design has remained very conservative in the modern era, but they are also guilty of falling into the tactic of changing "something" every year to create a buzz for Baselworld. The difference with Rolex is that their design changes are so subtle that they still adhere to their established aesthetic and design language they have used for half a century. That's not my criticism here. Panerai is doing new stuff, but then they are just rolling it out across everything they do making it ubiquitous.

I appreciate the innovations that Panerai is experimenting with. They certainly were among the first to jump on the bronze bandwagon. Their initial blue and green dial Submersibles were cool. Now, everything gets the treatment. It makes the initial releases less special and crowds the catalog.

So, Panerai innovates and then gives more options of what is liked by buyers, while Rolex does “subtle” changes of the same thing over and over and over.

But Rolex “gets it” and Panerai doesn’t?

[Ravager135]

Originally Posted by Cru Jones

So, Panerai innovates and then gives more options of what is liked by buyers, while Rolex does “subtle” changes of the same thing over and over and over.

But Rolex “gets it” and Panerai doesn’t?

Rolex allure is their minimal change in design and classic style. It's why the brand is the cornerstone of the watch market even if there are superior manufacturers out there. My criticism of Rolex is that often times there is little need for the minor design changes we see, but they are done to create buzz. In the end, the look is more or less unchanged. How long was the 16610 produced where it was unchanged? I don't think we need a new GMT-Master II every year. That said, this subtle tweaking seems to have served them well.

My issue with Panerai, again, isn't that they innovate (though I think many would argue the strength of the brand has weakened through over-innovating), but rather that when they do innovate it just permeates through the rest of the collection eventually and is no longer special. We saw this with the blue dial Radiomir 1940 PAM690. A year later they came out with more 1940 models with blue dials that were almost identical. They did the same with green dials. Now they are doing it with case materials. Do Paneristi really want a collection that is 50% bronze and Carbotech? I don't know. I know I don't and that's alright. I think, and of course this is just my opinion, that most Panerai fans want a solid stainless steel, minimally complicated, Luminor and Radiomir collection with sandwich dials and classic styling similar to the old PAM111, 112, 183, etc. The introductory, base models that Panerai has been producing over the last couple of years lack water resistance, have snap-on casebacks, etc. Even their P5000 8 day movement being put into these models is very wonky and known to run extremely fast when fully wound.

I am all for the innovations and interesting pieces, just maybe not all over regular production. How about a 44mm Luminor 1950 base model with manual wind and no date or a 44mm Submersible in steel, or a Radiomir 1940 base/subseconds model without a microrotor?

[crazymcmichael]

I might try to get this bronzo i love bronze

[rajurama]

Originally Posted by crazymcmichael

I might try to get this bronzo i love bronze

Well it's an April fool's joke but you never know Panerai might just come up with these

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[crazymcmichael]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Well it's an April fool's joke but you never know Panerai might just come up with these

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It is? To be honest i was since some weeks argueing that i would love to buy the bronze watch, and i even would trade my rolexes against it but it is simply to large for my wrist.. so it would come at exact the right time for me if it isn't a joke. otherwise Panerai HELP!

[xsnv]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Well it's an April fool's joke but you never know Panerai might just come up with these

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[Kilometerman]

Originally Posted by rajurama

Well it's an April fool's joke but you never know Panerai might just come up with these

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It was? Original post was on March 30.

[ajas]

44 mm Sub would be a winner

[VFA]

So was this really a joke or is it coming?

[rambo99]

Originally Posted by VFA

So was this really a joke or is it coming?

I want to know too, interested in the 42mm bronzo.

[Kilometerman]

I got a chance to preview some of the new stuff still coming for 2020, and these weren’t among them. I think this is fake news.

[uracowman]

Originally Posted by Kilometerman

I got a chance to preview some of the new stuff still coming for 2020, and these weren’t among them. I think this is fake news.

It's not fake news. There's more coming out later this year.

[epic]

Originally Posted by uracowman

It's not fake news. There's more coming out later this year.

Understand the smaller submersible bronzo will be out sometime this year too.


Cheers

[GreenLantern]

A new Bronzo is fake news considering the full 2020 preview I got didn't include it, but included 3x the total pieces presented to the public a week+ ago.

[yachty 1]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

A new Bronzo is fake news considering the full 2020 preview I got didn't include it, but included 3x the total pieces presented to the public a week+ ago.

Wait, there's more!!!!!!!???? Were you sworn to secrecy? Are their more 44mm luminors coming Out? Please tell if you can..

[Kilometerman]

Originally Posted by GreenLantern

A new Bronzo is fake news considering the full 2020 preview I got didn't include it, but included 3x the total pieces presented to the public a week+ ago.

This.

[scottru72]

Anything 42MM? Seems all their releases have been 44MM+