6239 advice

[justthebezel]

https://mentawatches.com/product/rolex-6239-daytona-3/

Can some of you with experience give me a quick and dirty what's wrong with this one? I have no history with vintage Daytonas. I suspect it has some issues that I wouldn't notice. It is said to be from 1964.

[watch-guy.com]

why do you think something is wrong with this watch

Julian

[Dan S]

I don't think you can simply delegate the work to forum members. I don't know why you don't trust this seller, but if you're not an expert, your best bet is to buy from a seller that you trust 100%.

[Tavli3]

Originally Posted by Dan S

I don't think you can simply delegate the work to forum members. I don't know why you don't trust this seller, but if you're not an expert, your best bet is to buy from a seller that you trust 100%.

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that one of the main premise of the Forum to help out other forum members, especially those who may be new to collecting? I've bought a few vintage watches and done extensive research to the point of buying books, subscribing to reference websites etc but nothing beats a second opinion from someone who has years of experience with certain watches.

I'm happy to note that so far I have seen alot of willingness on the part of the experts here to share their knowledge with others and I would dare say that based on what I've seen they don't miss a trick on identifying any defects so I would trust their opinions more than I would trusted sellers till I got to trust the trusted seller as far as pointing out flaws.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that one of the main premise of the Forum to help out other forum members, especially those who may be new to collecting? I've bought a few vintage watches and done extensive research to the point of buying books, subscribing to reference websites etc but nothing beats a second opinion from someone who has years of experience with certain watches.

I'm happy to note that so far I have seen alot of willingness on the part of the experts here to share their knowledge with others and I would dare say that based on what I've seen they don't miss a trick on identifying any defects so I would trust their opinions more than I would trusted sellers till I got to trust the trusted seller as far as pointing out flaws.

I hope that I do my fair share of helping other forum members, or at least I try to contribute to the best of my ability, but some posts just set alarms ringing. Go back and read the first post by the OP, and I think you will see what I mean, and obviously things just got more bizarre as the thread progressed.

IMO, there is a big difference between (1) someone who is legitimately trying to learn and doing their own research who comes to the forum to share their own thoughts about a watch and ask for additional opinions, and (2) someone coming here and saying they know nothing about vintage Rolex, throwing up a link (not even photos) of a watch being sold by a well-known dealer, and asking members to do all the work for them. I would rather spend my time helping an OP that has some actual skin in the game (aside from a fat wallet).

Someone posting about a legitimate heirloom piece is a separate category, although many of those are obviously fake threads.

[justthebezel]

I didn't intend to delegate. I'm asking those with experience to take a quick look and point out obvious issues. If they don't have time, they certainly do not need to offer any help. I would always be happy to help with watches in my wheel house.

And Watch guy, I suspect every watch when I have not spent months learning the details, and this one is priced lower than most. Still high, but not as high as many.

[964RS]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

I didn't intend to delegate. I'm asking those with experience to take a quick look and point out obvious issues. If they don't have time, they certainly do not need to offer any help. I would always be happy to help with watches in my wheel house.

And Watch guy, I suspect every watch when I have not spent months learning the details, and this one is priced lower than most. Still high, but not as high as many.

Can’t comment on price without the price...

[justthebezel]

Originally Posted by 964RS

Can’t comment on price without the price...

40k usd....maybe a shade under. My Daytona expert acquaintance says the market has trended down a bit recently and may well continue in that direction on these. What say you? It appears the dial with the tiny flaws and missing lum along with some polishing are the weakest points. Yes?

[justthebezel]

And Dan, I don't know or trust any sellers of these old Daytonas. I'd rather not wait until I get to know a couple before buying.

Life is short. Shorter than usual these days.

[BrazenC5]

The description is an indicator to the pricing. Its mentioned lume loss on the 3 and 9 markers along with dial markings, can be seen in the pics.

Additionally the 6239s tend to price lower than 6263s (not sure if your referring to prices across all vintage daytons or just pricing across various 6239s.

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[justthebezel]

Thanks for that guidance. The seller says there are NO service parts on the watch. I know it's not perfect, but I could never justify the money for a perfect example. I want a nice, original to wear regularly.

[1665fan]

4 digits are dropping

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

4 digits are dropping

Based on what evidence? Sure, everything has/is dropping to a certain degree because of the pandemic, but good/excellent examples of four-digit Daytonas, and other four-digit vintage Rolexes, don't appear to be down much at all, not from what I see.

Just one example, a Sotheby's auction result during the height of the pandemic, about $92,000 for a "Big Red" 6265 Daytona, 5.5 million, in OK but not great condition.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...ne-2?locale=en

[1watch]

Originally Posted by swish77

Based on what evidence? Sure, everything has/is dropping to a certain degree because of the pandemic, but good/excellent examples of four-digit Daytonas, and other four-digit vintage Rolexes, don't appear to be down much at all, not from what I see.

Just one example, a Sotheby's auction result during the height of the pandemic, about $92,000 for a "Big Red" 6265 Daytona, 5.5 million, in OK but not great condition.

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...ne-2?locale=en

That link didn't take me to the result. I would agree that top examples will always be sought after, as they are becoming scarcer by the day. Condition matters and will determine value and ease of selling or trading in the future if you so desire and the dial is critical to the overall value.

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 1watch

That link didn't take me to the result. I would agree that top examples will always be sought after, as they are becoming scarcer by the day. Condition matters and will determine value and ease of selling or trading in the future if you so desire and the dial is critical to the overall value.

100 percent. Good/excellent vintage Daytonas will go down a little, up a little, then perhaps level for a while, then up again, etc .... Longterm, I think they're bulletproof. But if you love 'em, and are lucky enough to own one, it doesn't matter if it's worth $1 or $1 million. You most likely will never sell it.

Sotheby's changed that link on their past results. Here's the recent 6265 sale to which I was referring:

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...teel?locale=en

[1watch]

Originally Posted by swish77

100 percent. Good/excellent vintage Daytonas will go down a little, up a little, then perhaps level for a while, then up again, etc .... Longterm, I think they're bulletproof. But if you love 'em, and are lucky enough to own one, it doesn't matter if it's worth $1 or $1 million. You most likely will never sell it.

Sotheby's changed that link on their past results. Here's the recent 6265 sale to which I was referring:

https://www.sothebys.com/en/buy/auct...teel?locale=en

Thanks for the link Aaron. Wow, a very strong result for that 6265, based on the condition! I'm very happy with my 6263 and don't anticipate ever letting it go

[justthebezel]

That was my understanding from a conversation earlier today, but I have no experience to know myself.

[Michael M.]

It appears to be a nice original piece and fairly priced.

[1watch]

Vintage Rolex can be a minefield and always good to do due diligence on any expensive purchase. Based on your question, from what I can see from the pics it's missing the 3 and 9 o'clock lume plots, which is common to have them damaged or missing from past mis-handling during a service. It depends on what you can live with and be ok if you ever want to trade or sell in the future.

[05carbondrz]

You can see the Dial damage plain as Day,No Loupe needed.I’d highly recommend just saving and buying a nice example,Prices are dropping too so it’s a win win.

[watch-guy.com]

Dial damage- now I am confused? where?

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by watch-guy.com

Dial damage- now I am confused? where?

Some small marks above the hour totalizer sub-dial, I guess.

[watch-guy.com]

I think this is an honest example- I understand that a final assessment needs to be made in person esp regarding the condition

But I reckon at around 40 this is correct price

As for prices going up or down- you buy now if you want it and that is what you can expect to pay

Or you wait and see where the market is heading maybe up maybe down

Good luck

Julian

[justthebezel]

All good information and comments. Thanks. I agree that "you can see it with a loupe" is misleading. The slight damage is easily seen at arm's length, I believe. But like so many watches, if the dial were perfect, the price might be 10k more. I just want an honest example that is attractive and I can wear regularly.

[justthebezel]

I might add, the owner of the business with this watch, Menta Watches, has apparently upset a number of members here. They felt compelled to reach out to tell me. FYI.

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

I might add, the owner of the business with this watch, Menta Watches, has apparently upset a number of members here. They felt compelled to reach out to tell me. FYI.

I trust him to add watches to my collection. One of the few straight shooters in the watch business. Happy to have anyone reach out to me if they question his integrity or watches. Hit me here or IG.

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

I might add, the owner of the business with this watch, Menta Watches, has apparently upset a number of members here. They felt compelled to reach out to tell me. FYI.

Who? Actual buyers, keyboard jockeys that have never dealt with or handled a watch from Menta, or just pure fiction?

[justthebezel]

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[stmoore]

Originally Posted by justthebezel

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Deep.

[nsumner]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Deep.

Derp