Are AD lists real?

[Ekimsurfer]

Went to my local AD. Been on the list for a black SS sub for the last 1.5years with no call.

They told me if I buy a SS White DJ that I was looking at my chances would improve “significantly” on the list.

Any thoughts? Are the AD lists BS?

Versus just paying crazy market value for a new black Sub on Chrono. Overall would be out less money but not by much. 🤔

[HideMyWalletPlease]

They are realish. Some ADs have a central list, but the following model is more common: AD gets 10 of a model per year and has 5 SA’s. Each SA will get 2 allocations. If someone is more important to the SA than you, they will get offered the watch before you, even if you have purchase history and have waited much longer.

[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by HideMyWalletPlease

They are realish.

Haha, this makes me laugh because it’s so true. I believe my dealer really has a list for the hottest models although how you qualify to be on it is somewhat murky. But if they tell you you’re on the list you really are and my SA told me how many people were in front of me on my last two purchases.
That said it would be naive to think that no one ever jumps the line for whatever reason but I believe it’s mostly chronological. I actually got those last two sooner than estimated though, people do pass on purchases sometimes.
My guess for the OP is they are not going to sell you a Sub until you buy something else. I suggest trying another dealer.

[dnpina]

Originally Posted by HideMyWalletPlease

They are realish. Some ADs have a central list, but the following model is more common: AD gets 10 of a model per year and has 5 SA’s. Each SA will get 2 allocations. If someone is more important to the SA than you, they will get offered the watch before you, even if you have purchase history and have waited much longer.

Best answer in my humble opinion.

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[ronricks]

Originally Posted by dnpina

Best answer in my humble opinion.

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Agree. Very well explained.

[winst]

Unfortunately as far as they are concerned they are real if they say they are even though they are probably not.

[DCheeta]

Every AD is different. Some actually keep lists and honor them, others just jerk people around. Yours sounds like the latter, unfortunately.

[Singslinger]

Originally Posted by DCheeta

Every AD is different. Some actually keep lists and honor them, others just jerk people around. Yours sounds like the latter, unfortunately.

Agree with this.

[Goin2drt]

About as real as say any piece of paper written in very light pencil.

[mykii]

There is a list but it is not a guarantee you'll get a watch if your name comes up. It's a rough short-hand of potential buyers, nothing more.

[Rado63]

Originally Posted by Ekimsurfer

Went to my local AD. Been on the list for a black SS sub for the last 1.5years with no call.

They told me if I buy a SS White DJ that I was looking at my chances would improve “significantly” on the list.

Any thoughts? Are the AD lists BS?

Versus just paying crazy market value for a new black Sub on Chrono. Overall would be out less money but not by much. ��

The AD told you, that if you buy a SS White DJ, your chances would improve significantly. What was your response to the statement?

[Ekimsurfer]

Originally Posted by Rado63

The AD told you, that if you buy a SS White DJ, your chances would improve significantly. What was your response to the statement?

Thanks. I’ll think about it and then walked out.

[dmash]

The only list that is real, is for a watch which comes in rarely and there’s minimal interest. This is so they can be notified immediately. One AD I knew (pre-hype) had this ‘list’ for the YG green dial Daytona as they got so few, but there was always a couple people possibly interested.

[JayHantz]

It really depends on the AD. I know that mine has an excel document that lists customers, their interests, and other data. Some don't have a physical list, more so an "idea" of what customers want and they know their bigger customers pretty well. I know one of my friend's ADs had sticky notes compiled around offices and backrooms....probably not the best way to keep a list.

[skyseadweller]

Mostly my ad gets me what i want in a reasonable timeframe as long as its not a ss panda daytona

[thenewrick]

Likely what’s happening is they have a mental list of VIPs they check with first. After they’re all satisfied they will check the list of other normal people in line and just go down that list to see who wants it.

[huncho]

depends on the AD. buying a datejust to "possibly" have the chance to buy a sub is not worth it though. subs aren't too hard to get

[Fleetlord]

Without a purchase history, especially in Florida, the AD has no reason to sell you one.

They need to supply that reference to clients who have and will continue to buy.

[BillA]

The lists are real if you get a call. They do not exist if you never get a call.
Simple as that.

[Harry-57]

It varies by AD and chain, if appropriate.

My AD has real lists. If I am on one, I will receive a watch. They have usually been in the right ballpark on predictions of arrival time, although my TT CHNR came in over a year earlier than originally estimated.

What I don't know is precisely what my AD is referring to when they use the term "list". It's certainly a living, dynamic thing which is reviewed and can change. It is probably much more than just a list of customers with the name at the top being the next recipient. There are politics involved. You pick up the odd clue. The odd wisp of passing intel.

I've got no complaints with my AD. If they won't list me (better than being strung along) I either forget about it, go grey or buy some more things over a period of time and ask again. I have just got onto their SS BLRO list. It will take time, but if I am listed I will get it. I first asked to go on it on day one.

[spape08]

A related question to the OP's - how is being able to place a deposit different vs just being on the list?
Is deposit just a sign of more serious intent on your part, and a wise dealer would not allow placing one if they felt unable to fulfill?

Placed my deposit for an OP 5 mos ago, had to switch to one of the new colorways when rhodium was discontinued, and still waiting for the call.

TIA!

[cvo]

If you only want to purchase SS sports models, you’ll be at the bottom of the list.

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by spape08

A related question to the OP's - how is being able to place a deposit different vs just being on the list?
Is deposit just a sign of more serious intent on your part, and a wise dealer would not allow placing one if they felt unable to fulfill?

Placed my deposit for an OP 5 mos ago, had to switch to one of the new colorways when rhodium was discontinued, and still waiting for the call.

TIA!

As far as the new OP’s go I was told by my AD that he could place an ‘order’ for them and he asked for a deposit. I put the deposit down and told him the exact watch I wanted and it was delivered to me in 3 weeks. He also told me that starting in January 2021 the OP 36’s and 41’s will be allocation only. Said after this initial supply runs out between now and December they will be much harder to get.

[spape08]

Originally Posted by ronricks

As far as the new OP’s go I was told by my AD that he could place an ‘order’ for them and he asked for a deposit. I put the deposit down and told him the exact watch I wanted and it was delivered to me in 3 weeks. He also told me that starting in January 2021 the OP 36’s and 41’s will be allocation only. Said after this initial supply runs out between now and December they will be much harder to get.

Thanks! Awesome yours came so quickly. I ordered from a smaller AD here in NYC and they got the 41s last Fri but no 36 yet.

Hoping I am covered by the first wave of the supply. I am new to Rolex but honestly didn't expect to wait so long for a watch everyone said was pretty accessible; seems like their strategy with the OPs shifted even before the 2020 updates.

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by spape08

A related question to the OP's - how is being able to place a deposit different vs just being on the list?
Is deposit just a sign of more serious intent on your part, and a wise dealer would not allow placing one if they felt unable to fulfill?

Again, this varies by AD and customer. I paid a deposit for the first few watches I bought from my AD which were not available in the shop to buy. For the last two they said no deposit was required.

[Marcjvr]

I would guess their process is call all their whales first. Out of courtesy.

If they turn it down and it is a real hot piece keep it in the safe for a while for a bundle deal.

After a while if it is gathering dust in the safe, month end is coming up, and the SA has nothing to do. Start making calls. But top 3-5 only

[rolexonlywatch]

Originally Posted by Ekimsurfer

Went to my local AD. Been on the list for a black SS sub for the last 1.5years with no call.

They told me if I buy a SS White DJ that I was looking at my chances would improve “significantly” on the list.

Any thoughts? Are the AD lists BS?

Versus just paying crazy market value for a new black Sub on Chrono. Overall would be out less money but not by much.

Black sub wasn’t even hard to get. I was offered once before the new model came out. No purchase history. I would try other ADs.


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[Onikage]

Not really. Expression of interest and decision to sell can be dressed up how ever. I'd have lost faith in any list a while ago if I was you.

[donas]

I went into my local AD the day the new models were released/announced and was allegedly "put on the list". I stopped by yesterday to check the status and was told by a different associate that they don't take names for lists at that location. So, I'd say being on a list for most of us is a farce. I'm sure the really big spenders get preferential treatment, maybe in the form of being on a list.

On a different note, I was told yesterday they don't even anticipate seeing any new models until at least February at the very earliest. She then laughed and pointed to 4 Rolex display cases that contained a total of 2 watches.

[brucethemanlee]

Originally Posted by donas

I went into my local AD the day the new models were released/announced and was allegedly "put on the list". I stopped by yesterday to check the status and was told by a different associate that they don't take names for lists at that location. So, I'd say being on a list for most of us is a farce. I'm sure the really big spenders get preferential treatment, maybe in the form of being on a list.

On a different note, I was told yesterday they don't even anticipate seeing any new models until at least February at the very earliest. She then laughed and pointed to 4 Rolex display cases that contained a total of 2 watches.

no new models until Feb 2021? that's crazy