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dpt.calvin · 9 November 2020, 09:04 AM

...I had the opportunity to choose 1 of 2 16710s when I bought mine a few months ago. I chose this one (1989) because of the dial. I'm sure many would have chosen the alternative (1999) which had a flawless dial. I don't think this dial will make is any more valuable. In fact, I think it's probably less valuable. But that point is moot since I have zero intention of selling it. I enjoy it, and its dial, way too much!

The cracks can only be seen if the light hits the dial just right.

Stan Cooper · 9 November 2020, 11:19 AM

If you like it and have no intention of selling it, you made the right choice. FWIW, I think the dial lends character.

McPolo27 · 9 November 2020, 11:31 AM

Adds story to the watch, I love it. Congrats on the rare find!

Nikrnic · 9 November 2020, 12:11 PM

If you like the dial better thats the only reason you need. Enjoy that Beauty!!...

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ltmgeller · 9 November 2020, 12:23 PM

Looks great, wear it in good health.

CFR · 9 November 2020, 12:49 PM

That's nice! Several years ago, a trusted local shop had a preowned "spider dial" sub with date. I repeatedly looked at it but didn't buy it because I thought they were asking too much money. I kind of regret not getting it.

dpt.calvin · 9 November 2020, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CFR

That's nice! Several years ago, a trusted local shop had a preowned "spider dial" sub with date. I repeatedly looked at it but didn't buy it because I thought they were asking too much money. I kind of regret not getting it.

This and the other 16710 I was looking at were +/- $500. And to be honest, I think this one was actually cheaper because the other one was newer (but I don't actually recall). I don't think it had SEL but it did have Superluminova. I prefer the tritium dial, so another win there!

fskywalker · 9 November 2020, 12:57 PM

Great!

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Bladeshot · 9 November 2020, 01:13 PM

I sure understand! Buy what you like! It’s for you and not for anyone else.

DCheeta · 9 November 2020, 01:23 PM

Obviously there’s no right or wrong decision there, but I would have made the same choice you did. I love the added character, and I always prefer tritium lume. Great photos!

GMT Aviator · 9 November 2020, 06:13 PM

RSC will always want to replace that dial, because of the risk of paint flaking off and messing with the mechanism. It may effect any warranty they offer after service of the watch if that dial remains in place.
I’ve had this happen. I kept the old dial and they serviced the watch, less a warranty when I got it back.

jcatral14 · 9 November 2020, 11:43 PM

Gorgeous! I don't blame you. It is beautiful

dpt.calvin · 10 November 2020, 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by GMT Aviator

RSC will always want to replace that dial, because of the risk of paint flaking off and messing with the mechanism. It may effect any warranty they offer after service of the watch if that dial remains in place.
I’ve had this happen. I kept the old dial and they serviced the watch, less a warranty when I got it back.

I figured RSC would want to replace it. Fortunately, it's been recently serviced (not by RSC) and I shouldn't need one for years to come.

Tools · 10 November 2020, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by dpt.calvin

I figured RSC would want to replace it. Fortunately, it's been recently serviced (not by RSC) and I shouldn't need one for years to come.

There are plenty of good watchmakers who are perfectly capable of servicing a Rolex out there.

HogwldFLTR · 9 November 2020, 11:51 PM

That dial would drive me bonkers. I'm glad you like it!!!

brandrea · 9 November 2020, 11:58 PM

To each their own, glad you like it

MrGoat · 10 November 2020, 12:15 AM

I’d have done the same thing. Adds a lot of character. Makes you think of the stories that watch has and where it’s been the last 31 yrs.

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Harry-57 · 10 November 2020, 01:33 AM

You bought the one you liked best.

The dial you bought is interesting and I also find it appealing. My only concern would be that it is showing age related evolution and has not been damaged, which could mean other parts of the watch are damaged.

bmb15 · 10 November 2020, 02:54 AM

Most important you are happy with your watch! The rest does not count.

I don't like 'spider', 'stardust' ... dials, no matter how you name them, these are DAMAGED dials.

dpt.calvin · 10 November 2020, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by bmb15

Most important you are happy with your watch! The rest does not count.

I don't like 'spider', 'stardust' ... dials, no matter how you name them, these are DAMAGED dials.

I think that’s why I like it. Reminds me Rolex is not perfect by any means (not that they’re known for perfection, lol).

bmb15 · 10 November 2020, 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by dpt.calvin

I think that’s why I like it. Reminds me Rolex is not perfect by any means (not that they’re known for perfection, lol).

Absolutely fine and 100% acceptable for me. ENJOY it, the 16710 is a beautiful watch ...

usmc_k9_vet · 10 November 2020, 03:42 AM

That's pretty cool. Congrats on your new watch!

G.Montag · 10 November 2020, 03:48 AM

What could cause such cracks? Water damage?

bmb15 · 10 November 2020, 03:53 AM

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Originally Posted by G.Montag

What could cause such cracks? Water damage?

I assume it can be triggered by significant temperature gradients (= changes), intense UV and other external conditions that put mechanical stress onto the top layer of the dial, then it starts cracking, which will develop and can enhance with time.

henrylee · 10 November 2020, 04:25 AM

Very nice spider dial

Robf52 · 10 November 2020, 05:32 AM

Love the character of the dial you chose. Outstanding.

L.K Johnson · 10 November 2020, 08:14 AM

Looks cool!

Rebel · 10 November 2020, 08:35 AM

I had one, flipped it. Miss it badly.

Onikage · 10 November 2020, 10:46 AM

Unique for sure. The vintage answer to the new meteorite.

dpt.calvin · 10 November 2020, 11:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Onikage

Unique for sure. The vintage answer to the new meteorite.

I wouldn’t go that far! Haha the meteorite BLRO is something else!

9 November 2020, 09:04 AM	#1
dpt.calvin "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Location: TRF Posts: 2,270	I know these are not for everyone, but... ...I had the opportunity to choose 1 of 2 16710s when I bought mine a few months ago. I chose this one (1989) because of the dial. I'm sure many would have chosen the alternative (1999) which had a flawless dial. I don't think this dial will make is any more valuable. In fact, I think it's probably less valuable. But that point is moot since I have zero intention of selling it. I enjoy it, and its dial, way too much! The cracks can only be seen if the light hits the dial just right.

9 November 2020, 11:19 AM	#2
Stan Cooper 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2020 Real Name: Stan Cooper Location: Sonoma County, CA Watch: GMT-Master II Posts: 2,888	If you like it and have no intention of selling it, you made the right choice. FWIW, I think the dial lends character. __________________ ♛16710 GMT-Master II, ♛1915 Rolex WW1 Trench Watch, Zelos Thresher 500m GMT Meteorite, Zelos Swordfish 40 200m Ti Blood Moon Meteorite, Hamilton Pilot Chronograph, Ball Roadmaster Pilot GMT COSC Chronometer, Zelos Mako 300M Traveler GMT Meteorite, Seiko SSC813 quartz solar powered chronograph It's weird being the same age as old people. - Stan

9 November 2020, 12:23 PM	#5
ltmgeller 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Mike Location: New York Watch: Rolex Posts: 22,580	Looks great, wear it in good health. __________________ Oh, look at the time... Official Member: 'WIS-CON' Las Vegas International GTG 2019

9 November 2020, 12:57 PM	#8
fskywalker 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2014 Real Name: Francisco Location: San Juan, PR Watch: Is Ticking ! Posts: 25,181	Great! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro __________________ Francisco ♛ 16610 / 116264 Ω 168.022 / 2535.80.00 / 310.30.42.50.01.002 / 210.90.42.20.01.001 Zenith 02.480.405 2FA security enabled

9 November 2020, 01:13 PM	#9
Bladeshot 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2015 Real Name: Grant Location: U.S. Watch: GMT 1675 PCG Gilt Posts: 5,850	I sure understand! Buy what you like! It’s for you and not for anyone else. __________________ Just another WIS who loves to trade...

9 November 2020, 11:31 AM	#3
McPolo27 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2019 Real Name: Mark Location: Brooklyn, NY Watch: Nomos Ahoi & 16710 Posts: 22	Adds story to the watch, I love it. Congrats on the rare find!

9 November 2020, 12:11 PM	#4
Nikrnic "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2017 Real Name: Louis Nick Ric Location: Michigan, USA Watch: Blnr, Expll, Subs, Posts: 10,172	If you like the dial better thats the only reason you need. Enjoy that Beauty!!... Sent from my SM-G970U using Tapatalk

9 November 2020, 12:49 PM	#6
CFR 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: US Posts: 1,075	That's nice! Several years ago, a trusted local shop had a preowned "spider dial" sub with date. I repeatedly looked at it but didn't buy it because I thought they were asking too much money. I kind of regret not getting it.

9 November 2020, 01:23 PM	#10
DCheeta "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2013 Real Name: Dave Location: NYC Posts: 7,181	Obviously there’s no right or wrong decision there, but I would have made the same choice you did. I love the added character, and I always prefer tritium lume. Great photos!

9 November 2020, 06:13 PM	#11
GMT Aviator 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Dec 2015 Real Name: Mike Location: London Posts: 3,318	RSC will always want to replace that dial, because of the risk of paint flaking off and messing with the mechanism. It may effect any warranty they offer after service of the watch if that dial remains in place. I’ve had this happen. I kept the old dial and they serviced the watch, less a warranty when I got it back.

9 November 2020, 11:43 PM	#12
jcatral14 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Jay Location: NJ Watch: aholic Posts: 726	Gorgeous! I don't blame you. It is beautiful __________________ -Jay

9 November 2020, 11:51 PM	#15
HogwldFLTR 2024 ROLEX SUBMARINER 41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2012 Real Name: Lee Location: 42.48.45N70.48.48 Watch: Too many to list! Posts: 33,693	That dial would drive me bonkers. I'm glad you like it!!! __________________ Troglodyte in residence! https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=808599

9 November 2020, 11:58 PM	#16
brandrea 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jul 2013 Real Name: Brian (TBone) Location: canada Watch: es make me smile Posts: 78,091	To each their own, glad you like it

10 November 2020, 12:15 AM	#17
MrGoat 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Jun 2020 Real Name: Goat Location: Southwest Florida Watch: 16613 Posts: 5,475	I know these are not for everyone, but... I’d have done the same thing. Adds a lot of character. Makes you think of the stories that watch has and where it’s been the last 31 yrs. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10 November 2020, 01:33 AM	#18
Harry-57 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2018 Real Name: Harry Location: England Posts: 10,670	You bought the one you liked best. The dial you bought is interesting and I also find it appealing. My only concern would be that it is showing age related evolution and has not been damaged, which could mean other parts of the watch are damaged.

10 November 2020, 02:54 AM	#19
bmb15 Banned Join Date: Aug 2020 Location: - Posts: 351	Most important you are happy with your watch! The rest does not count. I don't like 'spider', 'stardust' ... dials, no matter how you name them, these are DAMAGED dials.

10 November 2020, 03:42 AM	#22
usmc_k9_vet "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2020 Location: Issaquah Posts: 1,815	That's pretty cool. Congrats on your new watch!

10 November 2020, 03:48 AM	#23
G.Montag Banned Join Date: Mar 2020 Location: Canada Posts: 260	What could cause such cracks? Water damage?

10 November 2020, 04:25 AM	#25
henrylee "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Socal/LA Watch: 116610LN Ceramic Posts: 3,223	Very nice spider dial __________________ ♛ Sub 116610LN 2011 ♛ GMT 126710BLNR 2021 ♛ GMT 126711CHNR 2020 ♛ Datejust 16233 X-series 1993 Ω Speedmaster Mitsukoshi 2019 č Cartier Tank w5200025 2021

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Robf52 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2019 Location: Sunshine State Watch: lots of Rolex Posts: 5,074	Love the character of the dial you chose. Outstanding. __________________ 126610LV//116508 Daytona YG Black/Champagne 116655 YM40 Everose Oysterflex//126622 YM40 Blue//126600 SD43 126710BLNR//126711CHNR 126334 DJ41 Rhodium/Diamonds//126331 DJ41 TT Wimbledon 124300 OP41 Green//126334 DJ41Mint Green

10 November 2020, 08:14 AM	#27
L.K Johnson "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2018 Location: / Posts: 1,741	Looks cool!

10 November 2020, 08:35 AM	#28
Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail Location: New Albany Watch: Tudor Sub 75090 Posts: 8,254	I had one, flipped it. Miss it badly. __________________ ------------------------------- Member of the Nylon Nation

10 November 2020, 10:46 AM	#29
Onikage "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: England Watch: 16710, 16628 Posts: 7,757	Unique for sure. The vintage answer to the new meteorite. __________________ GMT II 16710 TRADITIONAL ( D- Serial #) ROLEXFANBOY P-Club Member #4

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