Why is GMT II Pepsi so much more than Batgirl on the secondary market?

[jkyrolex]

Price delta seems to be about 4-5k. Any thoughts?

[kieselguhr]

Higher demand

[Manamana]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Higher demand

Actually I think it's lower supply. The Batgirl has taken the place of the discontinued Black Black Black GMT. It's like the black Sub in the Divers range, Rolex strategy is to have high supply references and one low supply reference in each model. Also the Batman BLNR was produced for six years and a lot of people who like the blue and black already have it. The ceramic Pepsi is a new model which was only introduced in 2018 so only 3 years in production or to be more accurate only 2 years because of Covid.

[kieselguhr]

Originally Posted by Manamana

Actually I think it's higher supply. The Batgirl has taken the place of the discontinued Black Black Black GMT. It's like the black Sub in the Divers range, Rolex strategy is to have high supply references and one low supply reference in each model.

Sure if we’re talking about MSRP being different, they’re not.

Quick browse of online preowned retailers show there are similar numbers of both BLNR and BLRO variants. The market value is different. Simple answer is people are willing to pay more for the BLRO on the preowned market.

[RealMadrid1988]

Originally Posted by Manamana

Actually I think it's higher supply. The Batgirl has taken the place of the discontinued Black Black Black GMT. It's like the black Sub in the Divers range, Rolex strategy is to have high supply references and one low supply reference in each model.

I actually asked an SA this exact question a few days ago, and he said that his AD sees about equal number of BLRO/BLNR each year — no discernible difference. He chalked it up to a combination of (1) history, (2) BLNR existing on oyster before BLRO dropped (so more out in the marketplace) and (3) a more unique color combo.

[Manamana]

Originally Posted by RealMadrid1988

I actually asked an SA this exact question a few days ago, and he said that his AD sees about equal number of BLRO/BLNR each year — no discernible difference. He chalked it up to a combination of (1) history, (2) BLNR existing on oyster before BLRO dropped (so more out in the marketplace) and (3) a more unique color combo.

I was told by 2 ADs they get less Pepsi than Batgirl. That was the situation since the Pepsi was introduced. Also they used to get much more of the discontinued black GMT than the Batman. This may change in the future, you never know

[Harry-57]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

Higher demand

What he said.

[Mystro]

Hype. Same reason why the white Daytona is more $$ than the black. They all are the same exact watch so you must buy the color combination that best suits your personal style.

[baamvino]

History

[Chester01]

Originally Posted by baamvino

History

This. But I would add, that with the BLNR, the colors are way more perfected and the watch more integrated as it has less colors. The BLNR is the only 6 digit Rolex in their entire catalog that I would be remotely interested in. The BLRO is still very pastel in nature, and due to that is as loud as a disco ball, despite the Mark 1,2 47 1/2, etc. bezels. Nothing wrong with that, if that’s your bag however.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by jkyrolex

Price delta seems to be about 4-5k. Any thoughts?

Perhaps it's because the Batgirl only exists in the immature minds of 3-4 years olds, like the rest of these silly stupid names for Rolex watches.

[Rollieboo23]

Originally Posted by padi56

Perhaps it's because the Batgirl only exists in the immature minds of 3-4 years olds, like the rest of these silly stupid names for Rolex watches.

Why you so mad about a nickname lol

[spikeyhair]

Originally Posted by Rollieboo23

Why you so mad about a nickname lol

I also question why people get so worked up about a nickname. Like my goodness, take a chill pill

[mario1971]

Originally Posted by padi56

Perhaps it's because the Batgirl only exists in the immature minds of 3-4 years olds, like the rest of these silly stupid names for Rolex watches.

And Batman is acceptable to you?

[padi56]

Originally Posted by mario1971

And Batman is acceptable to you?

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

[joli160]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

Thank you, nothing to add

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

Did they move to another forum?

[upsidedownbelt]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

Keepers of the crown?

[Boaters]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

Perfectly said Mystro

[mmmmp]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

You make a good point but the nicknames were probably one of several reason's for TRF's decline. I'm certain the constant 'what's it worth / is this gonna' be a good investment' posts were also responsible as weĺl. Owners posting about microscopic dust, pin-sized specs and not perfect time keeping might be other reasons the pros started fleeing. Whatever caused the exodus is irrelevant, but as Mysto says: those glorious days are gone forever.

As to the OP's question: supply, demand, hype, etc. Most likely not just a single factor. 

Didn't mean to Hijack - sorry.



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[Driver8]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

I totally agree with you on this one.

Kermit, Hulk, Smurf, etc... I just find it all very indicative of the "dumbing-down" of the brand that's sadly happened in recent years.

[drfrankenstein]

Originally Posted by Driver8

I totally agree with you on this one.

Kermit, Hulk, Smurf, etc... I just find it all very indicative of the "dumbing-down" of the brand that's sadly happened in recent years.

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

Sorry to hear that nicknames given to men’s jewelry are too immature for you.

[Macnavara]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

100%

[GST15]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

[sgwatchguy]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

This!

Regardless of nicknames both are beautiful and impossible to get at MSRP (at least for me)




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[Doric]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

Do you not think that the long-standing Rolex customers in the 1950’s may have considered the Pepsi nickname rather silly? I cannot understand why people get so worked up about it? The nicknames are convenient, it’s really that simple.

The hype is a double edged sword - without it we enthusiasts could buy whatever model we wanted at any AD, but then would we? Many owners buy more Rolex watches than they might otherwise do because the value retention makes it easier to justify.

[TopDog2315]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

+1 it’s getting ridiculous!!


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[kizerman]

Originally Posted by TopDog2315

+1 it’s getting ridiculous!!


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The nicknames are are a stupid blend of cartoon characters, superheroes and baby talk. I understood when the Pepsi and Coke became popular, they were original and made sense. The names now are forced and childish.