Tudor Submariner from Yahoo auctions. How fake it is?

[DavidGuzman]

Hi!

First of all thank you for any comments on this post.

Story: I usually buy some watches from Yahoo auctions using Buyee (this is unnecessary info anyway). I came across this post: Tudor submariner. I knew for the auction price that is was not necessarily worth $10k usd but at least seams like a genuine Tudor to me... Nevertheless now I don't even now that, so many post that i have read the last few days... I'm scared. The watch has not arrived to the proxy seller but is on its way.

About the post: it said Tudor with engravings 9411/0, moving mechanism. That's it. I am attaching the photos together with the one showing that I won. By the way the final auction price was $1,220 usd...

So far I know the hands are weird and the case looks also too new.

From me: inexpensive usually but beautiful watches enthusiast, I have mostly seikos and citizens. I live in Düsseldorf, Germany.

Please if possible I would love to hear your opinions! I don't know if I should fight hard to Buyee.

[Mark020]

Everything is fake I think...

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by Mark020

Everything is fake I think...

Aaaaannnnndddddd you would be correct.

Sorry, OP, all no good - complete SnowFAKE. Not even a good fake - so get a refund.

[DavidGuzman]

I will try to get my refund!

[offrdmania]

I like the sideways scratching between the lugs LOL

[Rebel]

[VintageVagabound]

I think the fact that it sold at auction for 90% off the going rate is an ominous sign. I hope you’re able to get a refund

[harry in montreal]

Rule of thumb, when the case looks so new on a snowflake.... it means that it was made recently. Sorry. Total fake

[DavidGuzman]

Thank you guys! :( I was hoping more of having a real tudor some how (i knew it wasn't a Snowflake by the price), but it seems that is not going to happen... Is not even a Tudor right?

[Nickn]

Where are these fakes coming from?

[DavidGuzman]

Originally Posted by Nickn

Where are these fakes coming from?

Yahoo Auctions Japan... I really was hoping that moral standards were higher there. It is also possible that the guy selling the watch did not knew, I don't want to judge.

I have purchase several watches there without any problem so far. A lesson here is that Yahoo Japan (using a Proxy service buyee) is not like eBay, literally it doesnt do nothing about counterfeits... A bit shady.

Btw: There are many now haha, now that I was busted I searched and it seems to be many "fake" tudors being auctioned, all of them going for 1000, 1200. I can see the scams there, probably only for internationals using the 3rd party proxys.... who knows.

[zapokee]

You're not getting a decent Tudor Snowflake for under 10 k in today's market. The pricing of this one is a no-brainer red flag, before you even look at the disaster of the watch itself.

[DavidGuzman]

Originally Posted by zapokee

You're not getting a decent Tudor Snowflake for under 10 k in today's market. The pricing of this one is a no-brainer red flag, before you even look at the disaster of the watch itself.

Lesson learned.

[harry in montreal]

eBay has tons of these fakes coming from Japan sellers. And hey seem to sell. I got tired of flagging fake watches and fake cases. Italy also seems to have many sellers listing fakes. Maybe the eBay branches are at fault for not booting these guys.

[MrChamfers]

Be wary of sellers in Japan too. The listings often have lines like "Because it is a vintage watch some parts may have been replaced."
Meanwhile just about every part is aftermarket.

[alwayshere]

Generally....and I use that term a bit more loosely now - Japanese sellers have historically been pretty honest but its gotten worse now and for some reason, the Tudor range seems to be the most flogged. Buyers beware.

[Boopie]

Are the women’s sizes (31-33) being faked too? There are a number of them on Chrono24. They are all under $5k, so their prices haven’t gotten as crazy as the 390-40mm have.

[offrdmania]

Originally Posted by Boopie

Are the women’s sizes (31-33) being faked too? There are a number of them on Chrono24. They are all under $5k, so their prices haven’t gotten as crazy as the 390-40mm have.

I doubt the Mini-subs are faked. No market for them

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by offrdmania

I doubt the Mini-subs are faked. No market for them

Right. They can't even sell the real ones.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Right. They can't even sell the real ones.

Really? Prices for Mini-Subs on eBay and elsewhere seem to have shot up lately, especially with Japanese dealers...seem to be pushing US$3k now. Pretty wide range of dealers, too.

[Bareach123]

Dear Fellows,

I have been buying watches from Buyee 'Yahoo Japan Auctions' for quite a while now. I thought that Japanese sellers are very honest and trustworthy, however, my perception is changed after a bad experience. I don't want to generalize, but I must recommend all buyers to be aware of the Rolex/Tudor seller/sellers on Buyee Yahoo Japan Auctions.

I won an auction for a "Tudor submariner Prince Oyster 9411" for a final auction price of $1100. After going through the posts in this thread, I fear that I am also a victim of a fake Tudor. I know and I admit that it was my fault that I didn't research and consult an expert before bidding. I have tried my best to put my case in front of Buyee customer service. Unfortunately, they are not willing to offer any help. I have asked for a partial refund after deduction of all commissions, shipping costs, etc....But Buyee customers service is unwilling to help. All they say is that Buyee is just a proxy service and they do not have any control over sellers and their products.

As I said, I admit my fault. But I lost complete faith when I saw the same seller listing more Tudor watches from his account. I was utterly disappointed to see that despite complaints, the seller is actively selling these watches.

I understand that the parts of the watch are replaced/aftermarket which lowers the overall value of this watch. However, I want to know if these replaced aftermarket parts are original or not? Is the crown, back, case, and dial manufactured by Rolex/Tudor OR they are only Chinese-made replica watch parts in this case. I would be thankful for clarification in this regard.

**I have attached the pictures of the watch for review**

[linesiders]

Originally Posted by Bareach123

Dear Fellows,

I have been buying watches from Buyee 'Yahoo Japan Auctions' for quite a while now. I thought that Japanese sellers are very honest and trustworthy, however, my perception is changed after a bad experience. I don't want to generalize, but I must recommend all buyers to be aware of the Rolex/Tudor seller/sellers on Buyee Yahoo Japan Auctions.

I won an auction for a "Tudor submariner Prince Oyster 9411" for a final auction price of $1100. After going through the posts in this thread, I fear that I am also a victim of a fake Tudor. I know and I admit that it was my fault that I didn't research and consult an expert before bidding. I have tried my best to put my case in front of Buyee customer service. Unfortunately, they are not willing to offer any help. I have asked for a partial refund after deduction of all commissions, shipping costs, etc....But Buyee customers service is unwilling to help. All they say is that Buyee is just a proxy service and they do not have any control over sellers and their products.

As I said, I admit my fault. But I lost complete faith when I saw the same seller listing more Tudor watches from his account. I was utterly disappointed to see that despite complaints, the seller is actively selling these watches.

I understand that the parts of the watch are replaced/aftermarket which lowers the overall value of this watch. However, I want to know if these replaced aftermarket parts are original or not? Is the crown, back, case, and dial manufactured by Rolex/Tudor OR they are only Chinese-made replica watch parts in this case. I would be thankful for clarification in this regard.

**I have attached the pictures of the watch for review**

Sorry - complete fake - even with these lousy photos. NONE of this is original, factory, or authorized Tudor. Complete replica parts.

[alwayshere]

Originally Posted by Bareach123

Dear Fellows,

I have been buying watches from Buyee 'Yahoo Japan Auctions' for quite a while now. I thought that Japanese sellers are very honest and trustworthy, however, my perception is changed after a bad experience. I don't want to generalize, but I must recommend all buyers to be aware of the Rolex/Tudor seller/sellers on Buyee Yahoo Japan Auctions.

I won an auction for a "Tudor submariner Prince Oyster 9411" for a final auction price of $1100. After going through the posts in this thread, I fear that I am also a victim of a fake Tudor. I know and I admit that it was my fault that I didn't research and consult an expert before bidding. I have tried my best to put my case in front of Buyee customer service. Unfortunately, they are not willing to offer any help. I have asked for a partial refund after deduction of all commissions, shipping costs, etc....But Buyee customers service is unwilling to help. All they say is that Buyee is just a proxy service and they do not have any control over sellers and their products.

As I said, I admit my fault. But I lost complete faith when I saw the same seller listing more Tudor watches from his account. I was utterly disappointed to see that despite complaints, the seller is actively selling these watches.

I understand that the parts of the watch are replaced/aftermarket which lowers the overall value of this watch. However, I want to know if these replaced aftermarket parts are original or not? Is the crown, back, case, and dial manufactured by Rolex/Tudor OR they are only Chinese-made replica watch parts in this case. I would be thankful for clarification in this regard.

**I have attached the pictures of the watch for review**

+1 to LS's assessment. 100% fake.

Without rubbing salt to wound, why would you think for $1.1K you would be getting anything genuine Rolex / tudor? that should have been your first red flag no?