Metas Certification and Milgauss

[ppfl]

Some musings from a discussion with fellow enthusiasts:

Now that Tudor has its METAS certification, it is unlikely that Rolex will adopt it -- it cannot be seen for Rolex to "stoop" down to the Tudor/Omega level.

However, the METAS certification is the anti-magnetic certification -- it makes sense for a new version of the "Milgauss" to have undergo METAS testing.

Is it completely bonkers to think that the Milgauss will be discontinued by Rolex and re-appear under Tudor with the new METAS movement?

[enjoythemusic]

I feel they'll be separate... or eliminate the MIL in full. Am very much looking fwd to getting Tudor's new METAS timepiece to join the Omega 50th.

[fskywalker]

Originally Posted by ppfl

Some musings from a discussion with fellow enthusiasts:



Now that Tudor has its METAS certification, it is unlikely that Rolex will adopt it -- it cannot be seen for Rolex to "stoop" down to the Tudor/Omega level.



However, the METAS certification is the anti-magnetic certification -- it makes sense for a new version of the "Milgauss" to have undergo METAS testing.



Is it completely bonkers to think that the Milgauss will be discontinued by Rolex and re-appear under Tudor with the new METAS movement?

Think the MG will remain on the Rolex catalog, with a movement upgrade at some point (along the AK which shares same case)


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[ppfl]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

I feel they'll be separate... or eliminate the MIL in full. Am very much looking fwd to getting Tudor's new METAS timepiece to join the Omega 50th.

Originally Posted by fskywalker

Think the MG will remain on the Rolex catalog, with a movement upgrade at some point (along the AK which shares same case)

Of course I really hope that Milgauss stays within Rolex, but it's a bit of a curious situation now that the Tudor BB Ceramic has better magnetic resistance than the "Mil"Gauss.

[dafuture]

I don't see the Milgauss moving to Tudor. I don't recall Tudor having any antimagnetic history, so the model lineage wouldn't make much sense. Ultimately I think this move was about matching Tudor to Omega's level, making Rolex a step above.

[MTBer]

Originally Posted by dafuture

I don't see the Milgauss moving to Tudor. I don't recall Tudor having any antimagnetic history, so the model lineage wouldn't make much sense. Ultimately I think this move was about matching Tudor to Omega's level, making Rolex a step above.

“Step above” in what respect? Rolex’s equivalent watch is technically and functionally inferior.

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by MTBer

“Step above” in what respect? Rolex’s equivalent watch is technically and functionally inferior.

Well... ummm... doesn't have date, day, GMT, chrono... So for now just Tudor has METAS only within a basic timekeeper. That's not a complaint, just an observation.

[Pinchy]

Who gives a hoot? The milgaus / magnetic rating credentials are far more of a gimmick than helium escape valves.

[fsprow]

Originally Posted by Pinchy

Who gives a hoot? The milgaus / magnetic rating credentials are far more of a gimmick than helium escape valves.

Not so if you work in environments humans cannot survive in

[padi56]

Originally Posted by Pinchy

Who gives a hoot? The milgaus / magnetic rating credentials are far more of a gimmick than helium escape valves.

Have to agree to a point regarding the HV most have no idea what its for, or how its used, as today would expect most Rolex watches only see water in the shower or perhaps in the pool. As for anti magnetic properties most all movements made today are mainly made from nickel, brass and beryllium, bronze or Glucydur balance wheels so they were 95% anti-magnetic to begin with, the main culprit in getting magnetised is the hairspring making it stick together. And even with the older Nivarox hairsprings used in Rolex for 40 plus years, they had to meet the Swiss standard for anti-magnetic watches, which is to withstand a strong magnetic field of 4800 Amps per meter. Even your own body puts out a magnetic field same for every electrical devise in your home. Now I would never put any mechanical watch directly on any powerful magnet thats common sense as everyone should know. And if any did get magnetised its quite a simple process to de-magnetise. But today there is a syndrome that being more magnetic rating, or higher W/R rating, bigger,or heavier its automatically better, and many today buy just because of this.

[bremersm]

One can hope that this will be the end of the Rolex gimmick.

[Nikrnic]

Mil-Gauss meaning 1000 gauss. I could care less. I love mine and if I were a movement whore I would only keep my VC. The 3131 however is the smoothest winding of all Rolex I've ever owned and keeps cosc time. I've been a Milgauss fan since I first saw them, my first being a black non gv and now looking to add a black gv to my Zblue. Long Live the Milgauss! If not I'll have mine..

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[Omarion07]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

Mil-Gauss meaning 1000 gauss. I could care less. I love mine and if I were a movement whore I would only keep my VC. The 3131 however is the smoothest winding of all Rolex I've ever owned and keeps cosc time. I've been a Milgauss fan since I first saw them, my first being a black non gv and now looking to add a black gv to my Zblue. Long Live the Milgauss! If not I'll have mine..

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Actually Rolex movements are more technically advanced than Vacheron. VC movements are finished way better though.

[HogwldFLTR]

From my understanding the name Milgauss is only a name. The watch is actually more capable. See the Hodinkee article!!!

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/a-...odymium-magnet

[ronricks]

Originally Posted by HogwldFLTR

From my understanding the name Milgauss is only a name. The watch is actually more capable. See the Hodinkee article!!!

https://www.hodinkee.com/articles/a-...odymium-magnet

I was going to post this as well. I expect the Milgauss to be upgraded to a 70hr power reserve in 2022. I got the black dial GV last week and am going to purchase the blue dial as well. Love the Milgauss.

[Nikrnic]

Originally Posted by ronricks

I was going to post this as well. I expect the Milgauss to be upgraded to a 70hr power reserve in 2022. I got the black dial GV last week and am going to purchase the blue dial as well. Love the Milgauss.

This is the reason I want to add another Milgauss this year just in case it goes to a 32xx mvmt. What annoys me with the 3235 in my DJ is when setting the time the hands move backwards so you must turn the crown backwards to go forward. I know, no big deal but it bugs me, it's a Rolex not an Omega or Tudor. Also I always said the 3131 is the smoothest winding of all and the power reserve is no biggie. To me the 3131, the way it is now is the best mvmt for a no date 3 hander that I've ever had.

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[Subdoc]

Originally Posted by Nikrnic

This is the reason I want to add another Milgauss this year just in case it goes to a 32xx mvmt. What annoys me with the 3235 in my DJ is when setting the time the hands move backwards so you must turn the crown backwards to go forward. I know, no big deal but it bugs me, it's a Rolex not an Omega or Tudor. Also I always said the 3131 is the smoothest winding of all and the power reserve is no biggie. To me the 3131, the way it is now is the best mvmt for a no date 3 hander that I've ever had.

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I just got a white milgauss and I have to agree with this statement. The 3131 movement is the smoothest wind I’ve ever experienced.


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[Roddypeepa]

Milgauss needs to go anti mag movement, drop the faraday cage nonsense, incorporate a date, maybe a timing bezel. But then it’s just a sub date for use on dry land. I think it’s time has passed. To the scrap heap with you just like the turnograph and AirKing!


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[rootbeer7]

My Seamaster300 has 15 x the anti-magnetic protection of the Milgauss. Does it make it any more desirable in the real world or 15 x more useful?

[904VT]

The Milgauss already has magnetic protection far exceeding its listed 1000 gauss. With the parachrom blue hairspring and the faraday cage Hodinkee tested the Milgauss to do everything Omega's 15000 gauss rated movement did. Including withstanding fields at many thousands of gauss. I believe the industrial magnet they used in the test was 8000 gauss, though it has been a number of years since I've read.

I expect to see the new movement combined with an improved and/or more modern faraday cage. Perhaps in a very unique material such as carbon fiber for the faraday that will ultimately allow the watch to be much lighter than the current Milgauss.

[thenewrick]

I think they will discontinue the MG and AK for a handful of years and bring them back with new design language around 2030

[thenewrick]

I'd like to see them drop the "Superlative Chronometer" thing and just make all their watches METAS+ quality and don't mention it on the dial. That understated quality thing is a + in my book.

[904VT]

Originally Posted by thenewrick

I'd like to see them drop the "Superlative Chronometer" thing and just make all their watches METAS+ quality and don't mention it on the dial. That understated quality thing is a + in my book.

Just my opinion but I think Rolex's own Superlative Chronometer rating already gives watch owners as much benefit. Nothing that is rated a Superlative Chronometer by Rolex that can't handle 99.9% of life's craziness.

[liberalclown]

Rolex has been testing syloxi hair spring in lady DJ models for a while. They will update the Milgauss movement with syloxi and voila, you have an a-magnetic watch. Rolex is going through COSC that is "Chronometer" , but then they do their own testing after casing and that is "Superlative Chronometer". If Rolex ever decides to get METAS, I am sure they will add their additional testing on the top to keep it exclusive to the brand although not needed.