Yachtmaster 42 or ap ceramic diver?

[Jonnewbank]

Tried to upload some pictures but on holiday.

I appreciate this is the Rolex forum but I’ve got to say I’m losing interest in them. I’ve just picked up the smoked taupe 43 offshore and it just feels so special. I’ve got an opportunity to swap my ym42 for a ceramic offshore diver with orange accents.

I know you should enjoy watches for what they are but I’m getting to the point where they are starting to feel a bit generic, everyone I see has a Rolex on.

Also thinking about swapping my cermit and airking for a patek 5205. The thought of getting that watch for £13k as that’s what I paid at retail for the two appeals.


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[jonnythrust]

I'd take the Patek for the air King and cermit.


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[Jonnewbank]

Originally Posted by jonnythrust

I'd take the Patek for the air King and cermit.


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I’d have to put £4K in but it basically means I’ve paid £18k for that stunning patek. Win win


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[1William]

I would do those trades as quick as possible before the watches get gone. You can always circle back around for the Rolex watches anytime you want. Good luck and let us know what you decide.

[GB-man]

I’d make that trade in my sleep

[_speedmaster_]

Another vote to take the trade.

[uniqueMR]

Patek

[Willyjo]

Both immediately. No brainer

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[PhilLynott]

+1 to everyone above me. I don't think you'll ever look back and wish you still had the watch everyone else has since you feel that way now it's only going to get worse over time IMO.

[10XRolex]

If the watches are legit then all day long.

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[arnage]

the 15707.ce ceramic diver is one of the best ROOs, in my opinion. well balanced size, classic and simple appearance (vs a chrono..); really nice finishing - which I'm sure you're experiencing with your 43mm ROO.

there are very few modern Rolexes that I'd rather have over the ceramic diver - the YM42 included. good luck!

[arnage]

lest I mention, it's probably one of only 2 or 3 black ceramic-cased APs that one can buy (for now) that isn't 6 figures... add to that the very limited production run, and it should be a simple decision to trade.

[VogelPhoenix]

Kicking myself for not buying the ceramic diver Takuya had on sale for $24k a couple of years ago - thought I'd get one when the price drops to closer to retail

trade, trade, trade...

[Jonnewbank]

Originally Posted by arnage

lest I mention, it's probably one of only 2 or 3 black ceramic-cased APs that one can buy (for now) that isn't 6 figures... add to that the very limited production run, and it should be a simple decision to trade.

Crossed my mind l, but the 44mm ceramics don’t seem to move very fast. Would you say this is a different kettle of fish? I know value isn’t everything but I do change watches a couple of times a year, not for profit but out of boredom!


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[arnage]

Originally Posted by Jonnewbank

Crossed my mind l, but the 44mm ceramics don’t seem to move very fast. Would you say this is a different kettle of fish? I know value isn’t everything but I do change watches a couple of times a year, not for profit but out of boredom!


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Well, I don't have personal experience with the 44mm ROO line. But I think the 42mm has enough presence without being overbearing. And is probably a bit less finicky compared to the 44mm chronos (with respect to movement reliability, pushers not falling off, etc).

I am speaking as an original owner of the 15707, so perhaps I'm slightly biased.

Not sure why one of the above commenters is suggesting that the AP is somehow less classy than a similarly configured (rubber strap) YM. Just an opinion. Inasmuch that I begin to feel tiresome with the Rolex mania and seeing other people wearing them all the time. But I'd hazard to guess that you're not going to bump into anyone else with a ceramic diver anytime too soon.

[eonflux]

YM -> AP Diver = no brainer

[Jonnewbank]

Originally Posted by eonflux

YM -> AP Diver = no brainer

How come?


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[eonflux]

Originally Posted by Jonnewbank

How come?


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Better finishing.
Overall higher quality.

And if you have a Sub (profile pic), a YM is somewhat redundant.

[themast]

Originally Posted by Jonnewbank

Also thinking about swapping my cermit and airking for a patek 5205. The thought of getting that watch for £13k as that’s what I paid at retail for the two appeals.

I see 5205 in the $50-70k range. That appears to be a super deal on your end.

[Jonnewbank]

Originally Posted by themast

I see 5205 in the $50-70k range. That appears to be a super deal on your end.

It’s not the blue face one, I’ve found the black dial one, £35000 2017.

$47k in dollars

Dress watches really aren’t that popular in the uk


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[themast]

Originally Posted by Jonnewbank

It’s not the blue face one, I’ve found the black dial one, £35000 2017.

$47k in dollars

Dress watches really aren’t that popular in the uk


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Understood. Still a Patek annual calendar with moon phase seems a good deal for a Submariner and an Airking.

[charger_vital]

The Patek trade is a no brainer.


The Ap Diver is a loser. YM is class. Don't make that trade.

[Jonnewbank]

Originally Posted by charger_vital

The Patek trade is a no brainer.


The Ap Diver is a loser. YM is class. Don't make that trade.

How come you think it’s a loser? I like my yachtmaster but it just seems a bit boring now I’m on the ap train


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[charger_vital]

Originally Posted by Jonnewbank

How come you think it’s a loser? I like my yachtmaster but it just seems a bit boring now I’m on the ap train


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Historically the diver has been the distant lagger of the AP train. And for good reason. It’s a clunky piece with a generic dial. Could be A Doxa but for the name. You already have an offshore right? Beautiful watch. Why trade an uncommon and killer YM42 for a RO diver that’s not anywhere as cool as the roo you already have? At the very least the Rolex offers a different looking alternative when you want to switch it up.

Anyway you asked for an opinion and that’s mine. But go with what you like.


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[thekman]

Originally Posted by charger_vital

Historically the diver has been the distant lagger of the AP train. And for good reason. It’s a clunky piece with a generic dial. Could be A Doxa but for the name. You already have an offshore right? Beautiful watch. Why trade an uncommon and killer YM42 for a RO diver that’s not anywhere as cool as the roo you already have? At the very least the Rolex offers a different looking alternative when you want to switch it up.

Anyway you asked for an opinion and that’s mine. But go with what you like.


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I mean the YM is literally the poster child of a "distant lagger". It only went close to and now higher than msrp after every other steel Rolex model has done so. So I probably wouldn't use that as an excuse to keep it. The ceramic diver as someone mentioned is currently the only obtainable full ceramic model from AP. I do not own it but have seen prices rise dramatically and I think they will continue to rise.

[charger_vital]

Originally Posted by thekman

I mean the YM is literally the poster child of a "distant lagger". It only went close to and now higher than msrp after every other steel Rolex model has done so. So I probably wouldn't use that as an excuse to keep it. The ceramic diver as someone mentioned is currently the only obtainable full ceramic model from AP. I do not own it but have seen prices rise dramatically and I think they will continue to rise.

I thought the YM42 was white gold, no? Are you sure you are thinking of the correct YM?


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[Jonnewbank]

Originally Posted by charger_vital

Historically the diver has been the distant lagger of the AP train. And for good reason. It’s a clunky piece with a generic dial. Could be A Doxa but for the name. You already have an offshore right? Beautiful watch. Why trade an uncommon and killer YM42 for a RO diver that’s not anywhere as cool as the roo you already have? At the very least the Rolex offers a different looking alternative when you want to switch it up.

Anyway you asked for an opinion and that’s mine. But go with what you like.


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Cheers mate, good answer and different to most on here, thankyou


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[arnage]

Originally Posted by charger_vital

Historically the diver has been the distant lagger of the AP train. And for good reason. It’s a clunky piece with a generic dial. Could be A Doxa but for the name. You already have an offshore right? Beautiful watch. Why trade an uncommon and killer YM42 for a RO diver that’s not anywhere as cool as the roo you already have? At the very least the Rolex offers a different looking alternative when you want to switch it up.

Anyway you asked for an opinion and that’s mine. But go with what you like.


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I know you mentioned this was your opinion (and I entirely respect that) -- while I agree that the Divers (or any ROO, for that matter) are slightly "chunky," I'd patently disagree on categorizing them as having a generic dial. particularly in comparison to the YM42's? I mean, from more than a foot away <to where you can't read the tiny text>, the YM42's dial is nearly identical to a Sub's dial. so if that's not generic (as far as wide and common applications), I don't know what would be.

[charger_vital]

Originally Posted by arnage

I know you mentioned this was your opinion (and I entirely respect that) -- while I agree that the Divers (or any ROO, for that matter) are slightly "chunky," I'd patently disagree on categorizing them as having a generic dial. particularly in comparison to the YM42's? I mean, from more than a foot away &lt;to where you can't read the tiny text&gt;, the YM42's dial is nearly identical to a Sub's dial. so if that's not generic (as far as wide and common applications), I don't know what would be.

Fair point. Though I’d view the YM as a “classic” dial rather than generic. Rolex’s classic stylistic language may be similar to other Rolex models, but I wouldn’t say that’s generic. Conversely, I don’t think the ROO diver is a “similar” looking dial as much as it looks average… if “generic” is too harsh of a word. Again, only my opinion as a dude who does not have either watch or any ambition to have either watch.


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[brandrea]

They’re all such different watches IMO.

Me thinks you’ll want to have at least one Rolex. I’d do everything I could to keep the LV.