15047st allocation

[LeoAp]

Hi all. I’m debating going grey to get the 15407st but wanted to ask how long does the allocation take if you work sign a SA. So far he got me a black 26331st. 26240ro blue dial and I bought the RO bracelet and a code chrono. Will this take years to get the allocation for 15407st?

[mickyd329]

It all depends on your profile and only your SA or boutique can realistically guide you. If you have other AP's you have purchased besides the ones you got from them, you chances should be pretty decent. They also like to see some diversity in the collection other than just RO's is what I was told by my SA. Pieces like 15407, QP, Tourbillon, and such need AP approval and not possible to allocate at the boutique level.

[Fifteen]

Grail watch for me too. I’m still wondering how much spend it would take to be offered one. I’m sure there are other factors, but I’m sure spend history is one of the biggest

[7sins]

Originally Posted by Fifteen

Grail watch for me too. I’m still wondering how much spend it would take to be offered one. I’m sure there are other factors, but I’m sure spend history is one of the biggest

It has to be approved by AP Corporate. You could have a high spend history but if you sold them or changed your collection, your chances go back down. My understanding, when your boutique goes for approval now, they want to see you currently own a diversified AP collection ie code, RO, ROO, ladies etc etc. This obviously varies by boutique and country but I have seen consistent for AP Corp owned boutiques. For example, I have a meaningful purchase history and strong longterm boutique relationships but have rotated out of many previous purchases over the years, this ruled me out for a white ceramic QP a few months back, a similar category to the skeleton.

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by 7sins

It has to be approved by AP Corporate. You could have a high spend history but if you sold them or changed your collection, your chances go back down. My understanding, when your boutique goes for approval now, they want to see you currently own a diversified AP collection ie code, RO, ROO, ladies etc etc. This obviously varies by boutique and country but I have seen consistent for AP Corp owned boutiques. For example, I have a meaningful purchase history and strong longterm boutique relationships but have rotated out of many previous purchases over the years, this ruled me out for a white ceramic QP a few months back, a similar category to the skeleton.

This is an accurate description of the process. I have gone through the same process. I have extensive AP history over the years, but were purchased mostly through AD's or grey dealers. My spend history with my boutique is not much. I purchased 3 pieces from them, 26470 OR ROO, 15500st RO, and a ladies 15551st 50th. The last two were this year. I was asked about my interest in a QP by my boutique and I was surprised. My spend history wasn't enough in my mind. They explained to me that because of my AP history and diversity of RO, ROO, and ladies pieces, it was worth a try to submit me to APNA.

They explained that APNA has to approve me first and then Switzerland has to sign off on it, so I was really surprised to get the call that I was approved a week later. So now I have a 50th green dial ROC coming this year and was told I would get a 15407st next year (both on my wishlist with the 15407st being my grail). If I wanted a Jumbo, it can be done as well apparently (which I never considered before). It just seems like the flood gates open up after getting that initial APNA approval. Now I just have to make sure I consult with my boutique if I decide to move on from any of my AP's. Don't want to ruin my chances of getting allocations in the future. I'm thinking anything out of warranty should be ok.

[7sins]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

This is an accurate description of the process. I have gone through the same process. I have extensive AP history over the years, but were purchased mostly through AD's or grey dealers. My spend history with my boutique is not much. I purchased 3 pieces from them, 26470 OR ROO, 15500st RO, and a ladies 15551st 50th. The last two were this year. I was asked about my interest in a QP by my boutique and I was surprised. My spend history wasn't enough in my mind. They explained to me that because of my AP history and diversity of RO, ROO, and ladies pieces, it was worth a try to submit me to APNA.

They explained that APNA has to approve me first and then Switzerland has to sign off on it, so I was really surprised to get the call that I was approved a week later. So now I have a 50th green dial ROC coming this year and was told I would get a 15407st next year (both on my wishlist with the 15407st being my grail). If I wanted a Jumbo, it can be done as well apparently (which I never considered before). It just seems like the flood gates open up after getting that initial APNA approval. Now I just have to make sure I consult with my boutique if I decide to move on from any of my AP's. Don't want to ruin my chances of getting allocations in the future. I'm thinking anything out of warranty should be ok.

You work with AP Beverly Hills, correct? I think we share the same SA, I see she likes you a bit more than me Congrats on the future incomings, I thought of expanding my collection to other APs to check those boxes but can't bring myself to buy a watch to just satisfy corporate when I have interest in many other brands.

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by 7sins

You work with AP Beverly Hills, correct? I think we share the same SA, I see she likes you a bit more than me Congrats on the future incomings, I thought of expanding my collection to other APs to check those boxes but can't bring myself to buy a watch to just satisfy corporate when I have interest in many other brands.

I actually use the Vegas boutique, the old sister store when Westime used to operate them. I've always loved AP and Rolex and that's what my collection mostly consist of. I want to expand into other brands, but can't get a PP or RM AD to give me the time of day. lol....

[thekman]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

This is an accurate description of the process. I have gone through the same process. I have extensive AP history over the years, but were purchased mostly through AD's or grey dealers. My spend history with my boutique is not much. I purchased 3 pieces from them, 26470 OR ROO, 15500st RO, and a ladies 15551st 50th. The last two were this year. I was asked about my interest in a QP by my boutique and I was surprised. My spend history wasn't enough in my mind. They explained to me that because of my AP history and diversity of RO, ROO, and ladies pieces, it was worth a try to submit me to APNA.

They explained that APNA has to approve me first and then Switzerland has to sign off on it, so I was really surprised to get the call that I was approved a week later. So now I have a 50th green dial ROC coming this year and was told I would get a 15407st next year (both on my wishlist with the 15407st being my grail). If I wanted a Jumbo, it can be done as well apparently (which I never considered before). It just seems like the flood gates open up after getting that initial APNA approval. Now I just have to make sure I consult with my boutique if I decide to move on from any of my AP's. Don't want to ruin my chances of getting allocations in the future. I'm thinking anything out of warranty should be ok.

Wow I am impressed they allocated so many collectible pieces based on the purchase of 3 pieces. I have bought 5 pieces in total from AP, 4 from the same boutique and it felt like just getting that 15510ST ruthenium (latest acquisition) was a huge deal. I can’t even imagine what they will say next when I ask for a jumbo, QP or an openworked which are all on my list. Guess there is only 1 way to find out!


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[APWhale]

Originally Posted by thekman

Wow I am impressed they allocated so many collectible pieces based on the purchase of 3 pieces. I have bought 5 pieces in total from AP, 4 from the same boutique and it felt like just getting that 15510ST ruthenium (latest acquisition) was a huge deal. I can’t even imagine what they will say next when I ask for a jumbo, QP or an openworked which are all on my list. Guess there is only 1 way to find out!


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What was the 4th AP besides the 26331, 15551, and Code?

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by thekman

Wow I am impressed they allocated so many collectible pieces based on the purchase of 3 pieces. I have bought 5 pieces in total from AP, 4 from the same boutique and it felt like just getting that 15510ST ruthenium (latest acquisition) was a huge deal. I can’t even imagine what they will say next when I ask for a jumbo, QP or an openworked which are all on my list. Guess there is only 1 way to find out!


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If you don't ask, you don't get. With your history, I would think it's worth a shot.

[GW44]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

This is an accurate description of the process. I have gone through the same process. I have extensive AP history over the years, but were purchased mostly through AD's or grey dealers. My spend history with my boutique is not much. I purchased 3 pieces from them, 26470 OR ROO, 15500st RO, and a ladies 15551st 50th. The last two were this year. I was asked about my interest in a QP by my boutique and I was surprised. My spend history wasn't enough in my mind. They explained to me that because of my AP history and diversity of RO, ROO, and ladies pieces, it was worth a try to submit me to APNA.

They explained that APNA has to approve me first and then Switzerland has to sign off on it, so I was really surprised to get the call that I was approved a week later. So now I have a 50th green dial ROC coming this year and was told I would get a 15407st next year (both on my wishlist with the 15407st being my grail). If I wanted a Jumbo, it can be done as well apparently (which I never considered before). It just seems like the flood gates open up after getting that initial APNA approval. Now I just have to make sure I consult with my boutique if I decide to move on from any of my AP's. Don't want to ruin my chances of getting allocations in the future. I'm thinking anything out of warranty should be ok.

Impressive journey with AP there Micky. Congratulations on those significant incomings too.

You must have a kind face too

[noobs]

Originally Posted by mickyd329

So now I have a 50th green dial ROC coming this year and was told I would get a 15407st next year (both on my wishlist with the 15407st being my grail).

Nice! you must be pretty excited

[mickyd329]

Originally Posted by AEV

I am nowhere near this piece, but my SA has given examples that specifically for a Jumbo which also needs approval by HQ, that they are looking for diversity within the collection - in that particular case it was Code, RO, ROO and then 15202.

Don't forget ladies pieces and profile for your significant other. Apparently, that goes a long ways too.

Originally Posted by GW44

Impressive journey with AP there Micky. Congratulations on those significant incomings too.

You must have a kind face too

lol. Never been known to have a kind face, but building relationships is key. My SA is just awesome. I will add that I've turned down just as many pieces from them over the years as I have purchased from them. None of them being a Code BTW.

Originally Posted by noobs

Nice! you must be pretty excited

Excited is an understatement for me. This has been my best year as far as the quality of the incomings for sure.

[911AP]

Originally Posted by 7sins

It has to be approved by AP Corporate. You could have a high spend history but if you sold them or changed your collection, your chances go back down. My understanding, when your boutique goes for approval now, they want to see you currently own a diversified AP collection ie code, RO, ROO, ladies etc etc. This obviously varies by boutique and country but I have seen consistent for AP Corp owned boutiques. For example, I have a meaningful purchase history and strong longterm boutique relationships but have rotated out of many previous purchases over the years, this ruled me out for a white ceramic QP a few months back, a similar category to the skeleton.

That's stupid as hell. They expect you to keep everything? What if you get bored of a watch and stop wearing it? I sold a 44 ROO because the 43 ROO is way better in every way. I'd never wear the 44 again. So now you get punished for that? Stupid.....

[AEV]

I am nowhere near this piece, but my SA has given examples that specifically for a Jumbo which also needs approval by HQ, that they are looking for diversity within the collection - in that particular case it was Code, RO, ROO and then 15202.

[APWhale]

Originally Posted by AEV

I am nowhere near this piece, but my SA has given examples that specifically for a Jumbo which also needs approval by HQ, that they are looking for diversity within the collection - in that particular case it was Code, RO, ROO and then 15202.

This is spot on.

[Xerxes77]

I received in March my steel 15407.
My experience it’s somehow like other members experience.
I am customer at that AP AD from 7 years. Before 2019 I help many friends to buy 26331 or 15400 or AP ROO.
Yes, to can allocate you a 15407 your AD make your description like customer and make a motivation why want to give you this special piece. Then on a meeting who are on line AP HQ analyses your watch profile and yes must need a diversity of pieces not only RO. Then they approved to can have one of this magnificent piece.
It must be important to say that your AD have a big word on this because AP HQ don’t know the customer and they only see a watch portfolio don’t know the customer besides this. For this it’s important to know that your AD somehow guarantee for you that you are a final customer and not a flipper.
This guarantee it’s very important because now all AP stuff check the internet and where found a watch picture where they see series of the watch immediately check and inform the AD who sell that piece and the customer will be mark on profile with black.
I live in Europe and 3 weeks ago my AD write me an email and ask me if I sell my CODE because some AP employee from Japan put me on the black list because found one CODE where he see series and match with my CODE. Of course I send pictures with my CODE to my AD who contact AP Japan and ask for pictures and after they check they arrived to the conclusion that it’s not my watch.
So, if for a CODE they hunt flippers we can imagine how they hunt 50 anniversary or 15407 who are very rare.
This is my experience…..
I hope help you

[thekman]

Originally Posted by Xerxes77

I received in March my steel 15407.
My experience it’s somehow like other members experience.
I am customer at that AP AD from 7 years. Before 2019 I help many friends to buy 26331 or 15400 or AP ROO.
Yes, to can allocate you a 15407 your AD make your description like customer and make a motivation why want to give you this special piece. Then on a meeting who are on line AP HQ analyses your watch profile and yes must need a diversity of pieces not only RO. Then they approved to can have one of this magnificent piece.
It must be important to say that your AD have a big word on this because AP HQ don’t know the customer and they only see a watch portfolio don’t know the customer besides this. For this it’s important to know that your AD somehow guarantee for you that you are a final customer and not a flipper.
This guarantee it’s very important because now all AP stuff check the internet and where found a watch picture where they see series of the watch immediately check and inform the AD who sell that piece and the customer will be mark on profile with black.
I live in Europe and 3 weeks ago my AD write me an email and ask me if I sell my CODE because some AP employee from Japan put me on the black list because found one CODE where he see series and match with my CODE. Of course I send pictures with my CODE to my AD who contact AP Japan and ask for pictures and after they check they arrived to the conclusion that it’s not my watch.
So, if for a CODE they hunt flippers we can imagine how they hunt 50 anniversary or 15407 who are very rare.
This is my experience…..
I hope help you

Wow this is wild!


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[Reign]

Originally Posted by thekman

Wow this is wild!


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They are 1000% trying to crackdown on flipping. Sure they can do more but they try harder than any other brand that I know of

[thekman]

Originally Posted by Reign

They are 1000% trying to crackdown on flipping. Sure they can do more but they try harder than any other brand that I know of

With the amount of ROs especially the special pieces like perpetual calendars, tourbillons, ceramics and openworked pieces I see on the open market you would think half their VIP clients would be waitlisted by now.

[m3jasper]

Originally Posted by thekman

With the amount of ROs especially the special pieces like perpetual calendars, tourbillons, ceramics and openworked pieces I see on the open market you would think half their VIP clients would be waitlisted by now.

That's great, that means more special pieces for the peasants like me.

Originally Posted by Horsin’ Around

What can these ADs do exactly to track flippers?

What they find must be just passive incidental findings. Do you think they are actively doing anything to track flippers?


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It wouldn't surprise me in the least bit if they sent people around trying to get serials off watches.

RM does it, why wouldn't AP do it?

[Horsin’ Around]

Originally Posted by Reign

They are 1000% trying to crackdown on flipping. Sure they can do more but they try harder than any other brand that I know of

What can these ADs do exactly to track flippers?

What they find must be just passive incidental findings. Do you think they are actively doing anything to track flippers?


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[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Horsin’ Around

What can these ADs do exactly to track flippers?

What they find must be just passive incidental findings. Do you think they are actively doing anything to track flippers?

That's what the whole registration-for-extended-warranty scheme is about.

[Reign]

Originally Posted by Horsin’ Around

What can these ADs do exactly to track flippers?

What they find must be just passive incidental findings. Do you think they are actively doing anything to track flippers?


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Every watch sold at a boutique is registered to your online profile. If you sell and it’s re-registered under someone else, it gets flagged. It explains why watches are being sold without the card, so the watch can’t get re registered. But even if you buy the watch grey and bring it in to get it resized, they’ll run the serials on that watch.

At the end of every month, each boutique gets a list of who’s flipped and toast.

Folks gotta realize it’s a deep market for AP and given where prices have been, some people are willing to torch their relationship.


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[kimwizzzuuu]

Originally Posted by Reign

They are 1000% trying to crackdown on flipping. Sure they can do more but they try harder than any other brand that I know of

That's why so many pieces are selling without the card

[m3jasper]

Originally Posted by kimwizzzuuu

That's why so many pieces are selling without the card

That would totally make sense!

[Armis]

Originally Posted by Xerxes77

I live in Europe and 3 weeks ago my AD write me an email and ask me if I sell my CODE because some AP employee from Japan put me on the black list because found one CODE where he see series and match with my CODE. Of course I send pictures with my CODE to my AD who contact AP Japan and ask for pictures and after they check they arrived to the conclusion that it’s not my watch.
So, if for a CODE they hunt flippers we can imagine how they hunt 50 anniversary or 15407 who are very rare.
This is my experience…..
I hope help you

The scary part of this story is that you are in Europe but it was a random AP worker in Japan (boutique?) who saw a serial number of a watch for sale but still incorrectly connected it to your watch AND automatically blacklisted you! That is very unfair to allow practices like that. Instead, there can be a small dedicated division at HQ, or with HQ oversight, that has proper processes in place to track or investigate flippers. Otherwise, I can’t imagine dedicated and established customers accepting this type of wrongful accusation and blacklisting. I’m just glad to see that your original SA had the courtesy to check with you.
Also, there is no obligation to AP for owners to be forced to keep their pieces forever, which I believe long-standing AP collectors on this forum have confirmed.

[VogelPhoenix]

Originally Posted by Armis

The scary part of this story is that you are in Europe but it was a random AP worker in Japan (boutique?) who saw a serial number of a watch for sale but still incorrectly connected it to your watch AND automatically blacklisted you! That is very unfair to allow practices like that. Instead, there can be a small dedicated division at HQ, or with HQ oversight, that has proper processes in place to track or investigate flippers. Otherwise, I can’t imagine dedicated and established customers accepting this type of wrongful accusation and blacklisting. I’m just glad to see that your original SA had the courtesy to check with you.
Also, there is no obligation to AP for owners to be forced to keep their pieces forever, which I believe long-standing AP collectors on this forum have confirmed.

I have the opposite read on this story. First, no harm was done, other than a minor inconvenience to Xerxes77. Second, AP is trying to fight the scourge of flipping, and third, 2 years << forever.

[Armis]

Originally Posted by VogelPhoenix

I have the opposite read on this story. First, no harm was done, other than a minor inconvenience to Xerxes77. Second, AP is trying to fight the scourge of flipping, and third, 2 years << forever.

Ultimately it is a watch, but I disagree that having one’s integrity called into question and being acted upon is minor. Yes, flipping is a big issue with significant implications, but inasmuch as AP values client relationships the experience of Xerxes77 shouldn’t become the acceptable norm. The main point is that a serious attempt to address flipping would ideally entail a systematic process of assessment/confirmation (as opposed to the employee in Japan seeing something and automatically blacklisting, then contacting local SA vs. vs. referring it to local SA at start…which may be what actually happened). Most likely, I expect that his SA was very apologetic and acknowledging of the significance of the mistaken identity and hasty action, but thankfully this is not a common event. All’s well that ends well.

[Xerxes77]

Originally Posted by Armis

Ultimately it is a watch, but I disagree that having one’s integrity called into question and being acted upon is minor. Yes, flipping is a big issue with significant implications, but inasmuch as AP values client relationships the experience of Xerxes77 shouldn’t become the acceptable norm. The main point is that a serious attempt to address flipping would ideally entail a systematic process of assessment/confirmation (as opposed to the employee in Japan seeing something and automatically blacklisting, then contacting local SA vs. vs. referring it to local SA at start…which may be what actually happened). Most likely, I expect that his SA was very apologetic and acknowledging of the significance of the mistaken identity and hasty action, but thankfully this is not a common event. All’s well that ends well.

I think you have right and I told to my AD that.
I think before email to a client and tell this first must be sure that it’s his watch.
In my case the employee from Japan see on a site a CODE and see partial series and have an excess of duty call and after check all (I don’t know how because don’t see all series) his conclusion was that’s my watch.
It’s not a problem but 2 years ago when I received my Nautilus 5726 blue dial the owner of AD was a lady and she told me this: “ no matter what Patek wants after the customer buy the watche and leave the store I can’t guarantee nothing “….
On other hands AP control much better the sales process even on different cases they make some strategy mistakes and then try to repair…… exemple: AP CEO initially give priority on 50 anniversary to new client trying with this strategy to attract more customers….. in the end he understood that for many of this new clients opportunity to have this piece only was a opportunity to make some easy money….. no feelings for what represents this piece….
Anyway 15407 it’s a special watch….. so, continue the road to this piece