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C.J. · 18 September 2006, 06:30 AM

I really want to get a strap watch. Something a little sporty and a little dressy. I would love a panny 111 but it's a little too pricey for me to swing it now. I've narrowed my choices down to these two (at least for now).

The Railmaster has a cool vintage look to it, I think. I like the 12, 3, 6, 9 configuration and I can switch back and forth from brown strap to black. If it had a seconds hand subdial at the 6:00 o'clock position in the 39mm size it would be the winner without a doubt.

The speedy has some great history too it and looks great on a strap IMHO. I already have a chrono strap watch in the Tutima, but I think the speedy has a different look altogether.

Give me your thoughts if you will. You guys have always come through in the past and I know you will now too.

I really want a 38mm to 40mm watch, give or take a mm that's got some heft and presence to it, but not too much. Something a little sporty that can be worn with jeans but that can be a little dressy too. If you guys have other options, in this price range ($2500 to $3000 LIST) please, tell me what they are.

Thanks

Craig

mamas · 18 September 2006, 06:37 AM

Both of these are excellent watches. If i were to choose one i would buy a gently used speedy though because:
i) can pick up one for around $1500 and if you sell it you wont lose any $$$
ii) it is one of the most importnat watches historically in 20th century and one of the toughest chronos
iii) can be worn for dress and sporty
iv) looks cool with lots of different straps.

i vote speedy

BreitSheik · 18 September 2006, 06:37 AM

Good choices CJ! So you want a black dial eh?
Another option (if you're patient enough to search for it) ...
Two weeks ago I was eyeing this classic beauty at Ebay. My oh my was I salivating at this. If I didn't have an Evolution yet, I sure would have gotten this in a heartbeat. I had to firmly hold back on this ...

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

mike · 18 September 2006, 06:48 AM

Craig, I'm going to show some(a lot?) of bias here, but I think the Speedmaster Pro is one of the best most rugged watches out there.

The Speedmaster, at It's price point, gives the best bang for the buck I seen in a chronograph. The manual wind 1861 movement is a real work horse.
It's a watch that can dress up or down easily and even at it's size is just amazingly comfortable on the wrist.

Unlike the Railmaster (a different style) the Speedmaster lends itself to a velco or NATO strap IMO should you want to go that way.

Of course, there is that history of the Speedmaster that no other watch can claim.

Otis · 18 September 2006, 07:13 AM

I'm going to have to vote speedmaster as well

It's just a fantastic looking watch with great history behind it, as the guys have said. It's also very, very comfortable to wear & sits just perfect on the wrist. I must admit that while the railmaster is a bloody nice watch, I just can't get over the broad-arrow style hands. There is nothing I can fault about my speedmaster. Mamas was right too, you can pick up a used one for a good price, and they'll still hold their value relatively well IMO. It fits on a strap just as well too. Omega made a double-ridged shark with curved ends that was the duck's nuts! It also looks great on a nice, thick brown or alligator too. Just to make things more difficult....

http://www.omega-addict.com/reviews/.../article3.html

And...

Best of luck pal

I'm still hankering for a 111 here too but my priorities are elsewhere at the moment, but, everytime I look at the speedy it still excites me as much as it did when I bought it.

Spencer · 18 September 2006, 07:49 AM

If the PAM is what you want, save up till you can get the PAM. Otherwise you'll get the Omega, be happy with it, then within a year or so want to sell it and get the PAM.

I have the PAM111H and am very happy with it

C.J. · 18 September 2006, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spencer

If the PAM is what you want, save up till you can get the PAM. Otherwise you'll get the Omega, be happy with it, then within a year or so want to sell it and get the PAM.

I have the PAM111H and am very happy with it

Good advice, Spencer, thanks

But, the Pam is on the horizon, this will be an in addition to watch. Even if I had the Pam, I'd be getting this. I really like a lot about Panerai and do want one. But, It won't be as much of a daily wearer for me. I'm having alot of trouble getting past the size.

Spencer · 18 September 2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by C.J.

Good advice, Spencer, thanks

But, the Pam is on the horizon, this will be an in addition to watch. Even if I had the Pam, I'd be getting this. I really like a lot about Panerai and do want one. But, It won't be as much of a daily wearer for me. I'm having alot of trouble getting past the size.

You could always get a 40mm PAM

C.J. · 18 September 2006, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Spencer

You could always get a 40mm PAM

Yeah, I just think the size takes away from the esthetic's though

Launch Mini · 18 September 2006, 08:11 AM

I have to go with the Railmaster on this one.
Purely on estheticss.
I like the clean dial, the 3,6,9,12 hour markers etc.
IMO, you would be happier with the RM also. You have mentioned a few times around here, you like the hour markers.
You do already have the Chrono and the RM is still different from the Pannie you are looking at

Gedanken · 18 September 2006, 09:20 AM

Just to throw a spanner in the works, Craig:

C.J. · 18 September 2006, 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gedanken

Just to throw a spanner in the works, Craig:

You know I'm digging that one, James. But, I want to go with a black dial this time

SLRdude · 18 September 2006, 05:16 PM

I guess I vote... Speedmaster??

JJ Irani · 18 September 2006, 05:21 PM

Well Craig,

I think they are both very attractive, but if the Speedy appeals to you, then go for it. Get both, the strap and original bracelet....then you will have a nice option.

By the same token, however, if you feel the Chrono function is "useless and redundant" to you, then the Railmaster with black dial and black strap would be my choice.

Good luck, pal.

JJ

mailman · 18 September 2006, 06:56 PM

My first choice would be for the Speedy. It's a great watch with a ton of history behind it. However, it would have to be on the original braclet. The Speedy on a strap just doesn't cut it for me. The railmaster on the other hand looks great on a strap.

Just my .02

Gedanken · 18 September 2006, 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.J.

You know I'm digging that one, James. But, I want to go with a black dial this time

Well, Craig, if it comes down to the RM and the Speedy, my vote's for the Speedy. On the other hand, look at Lol-x's 79180 and there is in fact a black dial for the Tudor.

SWOS · 18 September 2006, 07:36 PM

i would go for the Speedmaster Pro with black dial .. and if it has a brown strap.

18 September 2006, 09:30 PM

I vote for a Speedy for many reasons stated above but also for the simple reason that if you get an RM, once you get a panny, I would bet the RM would gather dust, since they both have simple arabic type dials.

But more to the point, I'd be happy with what I have right now and wait a bit longer for a Panerai. Believe me... if anyone knows about waiting for one, it's me.

Rockrolex · 18 September 2006, 11:15 PM

I'm going to swim against the stream on this one, Craig. If you want something that's a bit dressy, I would go with the RM. I just don't see the Speedy as a dressy watch, even with a strap (and NOT a brown strap with that black dial, please).

This is contra to my normal inclination, since I love complications, but sometimes, you gotta go simple for certain uses.

If you're going to wear this as more of a dressy watch, go with the RM; if you'll wear it more as a sport watch, go with the Speedy. Either one is a good watch. You can't go wrong with either one.

18 September 2006, 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockrolex

(and NOT a brown strap with that black dial, please).

So I guess you don't like the traditional Fleiger look then, eh?

I used to balk at the brown strap, black dial thing... now I quite like it.

Rockrolex · 19 September 2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

So I guess you don't like the traditional Fleiger look then, eh?

I used to balk at the brown strap, black dial thing... now I quite like it.

You guessed right, John.

Chaqu'un a son gout!!

19 September 2006, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockrolex

I'm going to swim against the stream on this one, Craig. If you want something that's a bit dressy, I would go with the RM. I just don't see the Speedy as a dressy watch, even with a strap (and NOT a brown strap with that black dial, please).

This is contra to my normal inclination, since I love complications, but sometimes, you gotta go simple for certain uses.

If you're going to wear this as more of a dressy watch, go with the RM; if you'll wear it more as a sport watch, go with the Speedy. Either one is a good watch. You can't go wrong with either one.

I will add my vote to Ed's for the RM and for the same reasons.

Rockrolex · 19 September 2006, 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Avalon

I will add my vote to Ed's for the RM and for the same reasons.

For that, Al, even though you are now Rolexless, I still like you.

C.J. · 19 September 2006, 01:39 AM

Thank you, everyone, for all your help. I knew I could count on you guys

But, with indecision comes confusion and when confused, one is guaranteed to make bad decisions. Neither of the two is really screaming at me at the moment.So, I think the wisest thing to do here is wait a bit and really go our and experiment with lots of options and let the watch tell me which one to bring home. As soon as I figure it out, you guys will be the first to know

JJ Irani · 19 September 2006, 04:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C.J.

Thank you, everyone, for all your help. I knew I could count on you guys

But, with indecision comes confusion and when confused, one is guaranteed to make bad decisions. Neither of the two is really screaming at me at the moment.So, I think the wisest thing to do here is wait a bit and really go our and experiment with lots of options and let the watch tell me which one to bring home. As soon as I figure it out, you guys will be the first to know

So you bloody tosser, you've been giving us the run around making us say this and that, this and that....all for NOTHING!! Mods, I say...BAN THIS BUGGER!!

padi56 · 18 September 2006, 11:52 PM

Well I personally like both but would choose the Speedy,but if you could
go just a little bit bigger the aqua Terra is a fine looking watch.

dman · 19 September 2006, 01:37 PM

RM for me, but you really can't go wrong.

RogerF · 19 September 2006, 02:47 PM

I love me some Railmaster!!! However the speedy seems to fit so well in any collection......

amanda · 23 September 2006, 11:28 PM

Go the Speedy or a Broad Arrow - gorgeous watch!

JJ Irani · 24 September 2006, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by amanda

Go the Speedy or a Broad Arrow - gorgeous watch!

Now there's a good suggestion. The BA has an excellent movement from Omega.

JJ

18 September 2006, 06:30 AM	#1
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	What do you think, guys? I need your opinions. I really want to get a strap watch. Something a little sporty and a little dressy. I would love a panny 111 but it's a little too pricey for me to swing it now. I've narrowed my choices down to these two (at least for now). The Railmaster has a cool vintage look to it, I think. I like the 12, 3, 6, 9 configuration and I can switch back and forth from brown strap to black. If it had a seconds hand subdial at the 6:00 o'clock position in the 39mm size it would be the winner without a doubt. The speedy has some great history too it and looks great on a strap IMHO. I already have a chrono strap watch in the Tutima, but I think the speedy has a different look altogether. Give me your thoughts if you will. You guys have always come through in the past and I know you will now too. I really want a 38mm to 40mm watch, give or take a mm that's got some heft and presence to it, but not too much. Something a little sporty that can be worn with jeans but that can be a little dressy too. If you guys have other options, in this price range ($2500 to $3000 LIST) please, tell me what they are. Thanks Craig __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

18 September 2006, 07:13 AM	#5
Otis "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2006 Real Name: Urs Location: QLD AU Watch: Omega x 2 Posts: 2,046	I'm going to have to vote speedmaster as well It's just a fantastic looking watch with great history behind it, as the guys have said. It's also very, very comfortable to wear & sits just perfect on the wrist. I must admit that while the railmaster is a bloody nice watch, I just can't get over the broad-arrow style hands. There is nothing I can fault about my speedmaster. Mamas was right too, you can pick up a used one for a good price, and they'll still hold their value relatively well IMO. It fits on a strap just as well too. Omega made a double-ridged shark with curved ends that was the duck's nuts! It also looks great on a nice, thick brown or alligator too. Just to make things more difficult.... http://www.omega-addict.com/reviews/.../article3.html And... Best of luck pal I'm still hankering for a 111 here too but my priorities are elsewhere at the moment, but, everytime I look at the speedy it still excites me as much as it did when I bought it. __________________ Rock the Casbah!

18 September 2006, 07:49 AM	#6
Spencer "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: US Posts: 1,338	If the PAM is what you want, save up till you can get the PAM. Otherwise you'll get the Omega, be happy with it, then within a year or so want to sell it and get the PAM. I have the PAM111H and am very happy with it __________________ I'm a perpetual kind of guy Resident Audemars Piguet Fanatic

18 September 2006, 08:11 AM	#10
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	I have to go with the Railmaster on this one. Purely on estheticss. I like the clean dial, the 3,6,9,12 hour markers etc. IMO, you would be happier with the RM also. You have mentioned a few times around here, you like the hour markers. You do already have the Chrono and the RM is still different from the Pannie you are looking at __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

18 September 2006, 09:20 AM	#11
Gedanken "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Sir Location: Melbourne Watch: F-series SD Posts: 8,589	Just to throw a spanner in the works, Craig: __________________ You buy a Casio to make sure you're on time; you wear a Rolex because you don't have to be on time.

18 September 2006, 06:37 AM	#2
mamas "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 792	Both of these are excellent watches. If i were to choose one i would buy a gently used speedy though because: i) can pick up one for around $1500 and if you sell it you wont lose any $$$ ii) it is one of the most importnat watches historically in 20th century and one of the toughest chronos iii) can be worn for dress and sporty iv) looks cool with lots of different straps. i vote speedy

18 September 2006, 06:37 AM	#3
BreitSheik Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Arabia Posts: 93	Good choices CJ! So you want a black dial eh? Another option (if you're patient enough to search for it) ... Two weeks ago I was eyeing this classic beauty at Ebay. My oh my was I salivating at this. If I didn't have an Evolution yet, I sure would have gotten this in a heartbeat. I had to firmly hold back on this ... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll...MEWA%3AIT&rd=1

18 September 2006, 06:48 AM	#4
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	Craig, I'm going to show some(a lot?) of bias here, but I think the Speedmaster Pro is one of the best most rugged watches out there. The Speedmaster, at It's price point, gives the best bang for the buck I seen in a chronograph. The manual wind 1861 movement is a real work horse. It's a watch that can dress up or down easily and even at it's size is just amazingly comfortable on the wrist. Unlike the Railmaster (a different style) the Speedmaster lends itself to a velco or NATO strap IMO should you want to go that way. Of course, there is that history of the Speedmaster that no other watch can claim.

18 September 2006, 05:16 PM	#13
SLRdude "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Chip Location: Dallas TX Posts: 6,194	I guess I vote... Speedmaster?? __________________ Try not. Do... or do not. There is no try. Yoda, Jedi Master CHIP Member # 87

18 September 2006, 05:21 PM	#14
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Well Craig, I think they are both very attractive, but if the Speedy appeals to you, then go for it. Get both, the strap and original bracelet....then you will have a nice option. By the same token, however, if you feel the Chrono function is "useless and redundant" to you, then the Railmaster with black dial and black strap would be my choice. Good luck, pal. JJ __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

18 September 2006, 06:56 PM	#15
mailman TRF Moderator & SubLV41 2024 Patron Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: . Watch: 126610LN Posts: 35,510	My first choice would be for the Speedy. It's a great watch with a ton of history behind it. However, it would have to be on the original braclet. The Speedy on a strap just doesn't cut it for me. The railmaster on the other hand looks great on a strap. Just my .02 __________________ JJ

18 September 2006, 07:36 PM	#17
SWOS Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Q8 Posts: 110	i would go for the Speedmaster Pro with black dial .. and if it has a brown strap.

18 September 2006, 09:30 PM	#18
Atomic Guest Posts: n/a	I vote for a Speedy for many reasons stated above but also for the simple reason that if you get an RM, once you get a panny, I would bet the RM would gather dust, since they both have simple arabic type dials. But more to the point, I'd be happy with what I have right now and wait a bit longer for a Panerai. Believe me... if anyone knows about waiting for one, it's me.

18 September 2006, 11:15 PM	#19
Rockrolex TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: God Location: Washington, D.C. Watch: What do you think? Posts: 37,966	I'm going to swim against the stream on this one, Craig. If you want something that's a bit dressy, I would go with the RM. I just don't see the Speedy as a dressy watch, even with a strap (and NOT a brown strap with that black dial, please). This is contra to my normal inclination, since I love complications, but sometimes, you gotta go simple for certain uses. If you're going to wear this as more of a dressy watch, go with the RM; if you'll wear it more as a sport watch, go with the Speedy. Either one is a good watch. You can't go wrong with either one. __________________ Despite the high cost of living, it's still very popular. *Tosser Cabinet Member* Official Member: 'Perpetual 30' Vegas International GTG 2016 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2017 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2018 Official Member "WIS-CON" Las Vegas International GTG 2019

19 September 2006, 01:39 AM	#24
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	Thank you, everyone, for all your help. I knew I could count on you guys But, with indecision comes confusion and when confused, one is guaranteed to make bad decisions. Neither of the two is really screaming at me at the moment.So, I think the wisest thing to do here is wait a bit and really go our and experiment with lots of options and let the watch tell me which one to bring home. As soon as I figure it out, you guys will be the first to know __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

18 September 2006, 11:52 PM	#26
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,060	Well I personally like both but would choose the Speedy,but if you could go just a little bit bigger the aqua Terra is a fine looking watch. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

19 September 2006, 01:37 PM	#27
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	RM for me, but you really can't go wrong. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

19 September 2006, 02:47 PM	#28
RogerF "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Duh! Location: Toronto Canada Watch: a gonna do? Posts: 2,573	I love me some Railmaster!!! However the speedy seems to fit so well in any collection......

23 September 2006, 11:28 PM	#29
amanda Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,380	Go the Speedy or a Broad Arrow - gorgeous watch!

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