rolex submariner losing time

[AkshayArgade]

hello folks

my 2020 rolex sub, 126613 is losing time- now averaging minus 10 a day.

I have the accuracy app and watch check app which I use to keep a track of the seconds lost.

watch is worn as a daily- when I bought it in 2020, it was always slow, minus 3 to 4 seconds slow per day , over time it is losing 10 seconds a day, I notice that if I wear it while sleeping it loses 4 seconds over night. if I don't wear it while sleeping, it loses 1 or 2 seconds over night.

my question to the forum is-- should I give it to the RSC now or wait for another year or so because I still have 3 years on the warranty left. has rolex fixed the 3235 movement issue permanently.?

losing 10 seconds a day means I'm out by 5 minutes every month-- its not a very big deal, I adjust the time once a month but it sure is bothering me a bit reading all the 3235 movement issues-- maybe it will get worse?

what would you do.

many thanks for reading my tread, have a great day.

[swexlin]

Watch was out of spec when new, if running 3-4 slow when you bought it. I would send it in now for warranty service.

FWIW, I have a 2020 Datejust with the same movement. When it's wound, sitting face up, it runs 0 to -1 spd. Same on the timegrapher. If I sleep in it overnight, it can run up to 2-3 spd slow. So the positions I sleep in make it run slower.

But your watch is way out of spec.

[AkshayArgade]

thanks for your reply.

has rolex found a fix to the slowing down issue on the 3235 movement yet.

[DJ2020]

Originally Posted by AkshayArgade

thanks for your reply.

has rolex found a fix to the slowing down issue on the 3235 movement yet.

Apparently not. I went and put a deposit on 40mm YM a couple weeks ago. My SA (manager) actually said to me " if it's not running in spec, just live with it"
Holy cow! I was stunned to hear that after the issues I had with my 2020 DJ and OP which I purchased for the same store.

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Apparently not. I went and put a deposit on 40mm YM a couple weeks ago. My SA (manager) actually said to me " if it's not running in spec, just live with it"
Holy cow! I was stunned to hear that after the issues I had with my 2020 DJ and OP which I purchased for the same store.

That's quite stunning for sure. I'm not sure I could go through with a purchase hearing that.

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by DJ2020

Apparently not. I went and put a deposit on 40mm YM a couple weeks ago. My SA (manager) actually said to me " if it's not running in spec, just live with it"

Holy cow! I was stunned to hear that after the issues I had with my 2020 DJ and OP which I purchased for the same store.

Did you get the sense he was saying that because they perceive you to be a complainer, or because this is becoming more common and they are seeing this with other customers? Or to put it another way, in your dealings with them and the other two watches are they sympathetic to your situation or do you get the impression they are just annoyed a customer is actually using his watch for timekeeping?

[csaltphoto]

Originally Posted by HiBoost

Did you get the sense he was saying that because they perceive you to be a complainer, or because this is becoming more common and they are seeing this with other customers? Or to put it another way, in your dealings with them and the other two watches are they sympathetic to your situation or do you get the impression they are just annoyed a customer is actually using his watch for timekeeping?

I'm curious too. I know I'm a bit of a gadfly on this forum with the timekeeping issue but tbh it's one of the things that attracted me to the brand. I don't get the whole "If you want great timekeeping get a quartz/spring drive/whatever." What's interesting about Rolex, beyond their terrific designs, is an in-house movement that is a purely mechanical drive and very accurate. It would be different if Rolex didn't make such a big deal about it. There are plenty of similarly priced and wayyyyyy more expensive watches that don't even bother to publish their timekeeping standards. And that's fine, they are selling something else whether it's finish or execution or whatever. But Rolex specifically touts timekeeping, invented their own "Superlative Chronometer" standard and prints it on every dial. All of their movements have been pretty solid up to the 32xx series.

[Old Expat Beast]

Originally Posted by csaltphoto

I'm curious too. I know I'm a bit of a gadfly on this forum with the timekeeping issue but tbh it's one of the things that attracted me to the brand. I don't get the whole "If you want great timekeeping get a quartz/spring drive/whatever." What's interesting about Rolex, beyond their terrific designs, is an in-house movement that is a purely mechanical drive and very accurate. It would be different if Rolex didn't make such a big deal about it. There are plenty of similarly priced and wayyyyyy more expensive watches that don't even bother to publish their timekeeping standards. And that's fine, they are selling something else whether it's finish or execution or whatever. But Rolex specifically touts timekeeping, invented their own "Superlative Chronometer" standard and prints it on every dial. All of their movements have been pretty solid up to the 32xx series.

Superlative Chronometer has been on the dial since the late 1950s, when they were regulated to the same specs as any other chronometer. It's just marketing fluff.

The ETA 2824 movements in my Tudor Heritage Ranger and Black Bay are still running within +5/day, unserviced, after eight and ten years respectively.

[Gab27]

Responses are probably going to vary. Some may tell you that a COSC movement losing 10, or 20, or 30 or more seconds a day isn't that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things. Others may tell you that losing over 2 seconds a day is a huge deal. And others will say something in between.

To me, a COSC movement losing 10 seconds a day is probably sick and needs to be serviced. Not having a healthy and happy movement is something that would bother me, personally, so I would have it serviced.

[DJ2020]

If it's under warranty, send it in. Something's not right. -10 spd is not acceptable in my opinion for a 2 year old watch.

[omar-rye]

To answer your question, we don’t know if Rolex found a permanent fix to the issue, whatever that issue is. I’m sure you don’t want to send it in and have the issue reappear down the line, so I would suggest for you to live with it for now

[Tools]

Send it in, it won't likely fix itself.

Why would you wait for the end of the warranty period and suffer with it for the next couple of years, they aren't going to give you a new warranty by waiting.

[Tim Plains]

I wouldn't care on an older watch but these new models cost a lot and are designed to run +/- 2s. I would have sent it in already if it were mine.

[burnthesehills]

I would definitely send it in now. Nobody knows if they have permanently fixed the issue with the movement. Rolex hasn’t even admitted there is an issue with the movement. But if you get it fixed now and the issue comes back down the road, you will have even more cause for complaint and some answers from Rolex and/or the AD.

[CedCraig]

[QUOTE=AkshayArgade;12462818has rolex fixed the 3235 movement issue permanently.?[/QUOTE]

No, Rolex has not fixed the 32xx movement problem. Their temporary solution is to squirt some lube on the seconds wheel pivot, instead of figuring out a permanent fix.

I‘d send it in. The more watches that are sent back, the better.

Here‘s a good thread about the 32xx problem: https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=786299

[HiBoost]

Originally Posted by AkshayArgade

has rolex fixed the 3235 movement issue permanently.?



losing 10 seconds a day means I'm out by 5 minutes every month-- its not a very big deal, I adjust the time once a month but it sure is bothering me a bit reading all the 3235 movement issues-- maybe it will get worse?



what would you do.



many thanks for reading my tread, have a great day.

If it's the "fatal" issue, it will continue to slow over time. There is no sign or even anecdotal evidence of a fix at this point. You shouldn't be annoyed by an expensive watch, but you also may not want to be without it for several months. Only you can decide when to send it in, but sooner or later it needs to go in.

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by AkshayArgade

hello folks

my 2020 rolex sub, 126613 is losing time- now averaging minus 10 a day.

I have the accuracy app and watch check app which I use to keep a track of the seconds lost.

watch is worn as a daily- when I bought it in 2020, it was always slow, minus 3 to 4 seconds slow per day , over time it is losing 10 seconds a day, I notice that if I wear it while sleeping it loses 4 seconds over night. if I don't wear it while sleeping, it loses 1 or 2 seconds over night.

my question to the forum is-- should I give it to the RSC now or wait for another year or so because I still have 3 years on the warranty left. has rolex fixed the 3235 movement issue permanently.?

losing 10 seconds a day means I'm out by 5 minutes every month-- its not a very big deal, I adjust the time once a month but it sure is bothering me a bit reading all the 3235 movement issues-- maybe it will get worse?

what would you do.

many thanks for reading my tread, have a great day.

I would measure the movement amplitudes with a timegrapher, after full winding, in 5 positions. Then place the watch in dial up position at rest, repeat 24 hours later the timegrapher measurement w/o winding before.
The main issue observable is a low amplitude after full winding. You cannot see that with an "accuracy" app.

[Wired]

I would send it in. Just for reference, my Tudor BBP is doing +-1-2sec a day, first time I have adjusted the movement was couple of days ago, mostly because daytime savings change. I would expect similar from a Rolex.

[Harry-57]

It's out of manufacturer's spec and it's in warranty. No need to over think it. It needs looking at.

[ltmgeller]

Sounds like a trip to RSC is in order

[Road Racer]

I think for their cost it’s not unreasonable to expect performance that lives up to their advertising. Just my opinion.
Owning one of the same series I hate to hear the reports.
Hope it all turns out good whichever way you handle it.

[seabreeze60]

Originally Posted by AkshayArgade

hello folks

my 2020 rolex sub, 126613 is losing time- now averaging minus 10 a day.

I have the accuracy app and watch check app which I use to keep a track of the seconds lost.

watch is worn as a daily- when I bought it in 2020, it was always slow, minus 3 to 4 seconds slow per day , over time it is losing 10 seconds a day, I notice that if I wear it while sleeping it loses 4 seconds over night. if I don't wear it while sleeping, it loses 1 or 2 seconds over night.

my question to the forum is-- should I give it to the RSC now or wait for another year or so because I still have 3 years on the warranty left. has rolex fixed the 3235 movement issue permanently.?

losing 10 seconds a day means I'm out by 5 minutes every month-- its not a very big deal, I adjust the time once a month but it sure is bothering me a bit reading all the 3235 movement issues-- maybe it will get worse?

what would you do.

many thanks for reading my tread, have a great day.

Take it back for warranty. Why wait for -20 seconds a day? CSOC is there for a reason. However, now versus 90 days from now is no big difference.