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cyberone · 31 July 2009, 12:29 AM

So i just got the new edition of WatchTime magazine and they have an article about a line of Seiko watches from the range of $2,300 to $6,4000
it's called the Seiko Sanskrit. Even though i consider seikos to be good watches i own a couple my self. who would buy a 6000 dollar Seiko. NUTS. anybody know more about these watches and why the high end price tag?

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 12:35 AM

WOW!

Allan

TheDude · 31 July 2009, 12:45 AM

Yes, I think quite a number of the Grand Seiko (Spring Drives mainly) can reach that price level. We've kicked the idea around before... "is it worth spending 'Rolex money' on one..."

That chrono does look nice though, and I guess if you compared it to a Daytona, it is quite a bit less than 'Rolex money'.

I personally really like the GS hand-wound. I'd like to eventually have one in my collection.

or

380000 yen, which is USD $3,988.86

cyberone · 31 July 2009, 12:38 AM

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Originally Posted by cyberone

So i just got the new edition of WatchTime magazine and they have an article about a line of Seiko watches from the range of $2,300 to $6,4000
it's called the Seiko Sanskrit. Even though i consider seikos to be good watches i own a couple my self. who would buy a 6000 dollar Seiko. NUTS. anybody know more about these watches and why the high end price tag?

Corection they are the ANATA a Sanskirt word meaning Infinite. sticker shock has me seaing double lol

Arby · 31 July 2009, 12:42 AM

eh?

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alohanakoni · 31 July 2009, 12:39 AM

i agree...it's outrageous.

newmedia · 31 July 2009, 12:45 AM

These are new line from SEIKO ,their higher end models has springdrive , only one watch company has this movement and its very accurate with 72 hour reserve.

vjb.knife · 31 July 2009, 12:48 AM

The Seiko available in the US don't include their top models or product lines. Grand Seiko for instance can cost in the price range you are talking about. I have owned a few of their high end models which can only be purchased from dealers in Japan.

They are every bit as high quality as Swiss watches in their price range and even above. They have cutting edge technology (Spring Drive) in their movements which can not be matched by any Swiss brand watch in accuracy, reserve and inovation.

Seiko is not what the average US watch buyer has limited it to in their minds. This SBGE001 has an auto powered movement that easily keeps within 1 second per month.

cyberone · 31 July 2009, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vjb.knife

The Seiko available in the US don't include their top models or product lines. Grand Seiko for instance can cost in the price range you are talking about. I have owned a few of their high end models which can only be purchased from dealers in Japan.

They are every bit as high quality as Swiss watches in their price range and even above. They have cutting edge technology (Spring Drive) in their movements which can not be matched by any Swiss brand watch in accuracy, reserve and inovation.

Seiko is not what the average US watch buyer has limited it to in their minds. This SBGE001 has an auto powered movement that easily keeps within 1 second per month.

Wow that is a great looking watch !!!!!

AWATCH · 31 July 2009, 01:05 AM

These watches may well be worth the price, Seiko is a good quality watch after all. But I would rather put the money into another Rolex

YuppieKid · 2 August 2009, 04:02 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vjb.knife

The Seiko available in the US don't include their top models or product lines. Grand Seiko for instance can cost in the price range you are talking about. I have owned a few of their high end models which can only be purchased from dealers in Japan.

They are every bit as high quality as Swiss watches in their price range and even above. They have cutting edge technology (Spring Drive) in their movements which can not be matched by any Swiss brand watch in accuracy, reserve and inovation.

Seiko is not what the average US watch buyer has limited it to in their minds. This SBGE001 has an auto powered movement that easily keeps within 1 second per month.

TheVTCGuy · 31 July 2009, 12:48 AM

I can see it as well, Seiko makes an excellent watch, maybe not as high quality as a Rolex of course, but excellent nonetheless. My first watch love was the 6139, a tremendously succesful model from the 70s. When they put their expertise together to make a high-end watch, I can see it costing 6 grand.

cody p · 31 July 2009, 01:11 AM

i bet you are actually getting closer to 6g worth of watch when you buy that seiko than when you buy an equivalently priced swiss piece.

padi56 · 31 July 2009, 01:31 AM

And lets not forget before the Swiss COSC was formed as it is now, there was then Observatory testing and competitions to a much higher standard.Now with the lesser test Swiss COSC around 95% pass first time,
Fact with careful regulation most any modern movement could pass the COSC test any brand any country.

And during the entire 23 years of testing, 5093 wristwatches were submitted for certification, and only 3253 were passed, about 64%. Just a few manufacturers participated, and only Omega and Patek did so every year. The others were: Rolex, Zenith, Longines, Movado, Vacheron & Constantin, Ulysse Nardin, Cyma and Favre-Leuba, along with numerous independent professional watchmakers.That was until Seiko come on the scene and started to wipe the floor with the Swiss mechanical watch industry.Only 2 brand in the + 23 years of the competitions submitted movements of serial production for retail sale(Seiko and GP).All others were specially made movements just for the competition.and it was ended by the swiss in the 1970s after two straight wins by the Japanese straight off the production line Seiko Grand.

Seiko first entered the competition,with watches from all over the world.Including most of the Swiss high end brands.For a much higher standard than the COSC,the Astronomical Observatory Authorisation Chronometer Standard.Out of many watches summited only two passed this test Seiko Grand just a production model, and Giraud Peregaux a specially build for the test model.And in the late 60s there were only two companies, who could sell watches, passed astronomical observatory authorisation Chronometer in those days. ---Seiko and Giraud Peregaux.As the Japanese had dominated in the late 60s and the two preceding events, in 1972 some Swiss watch manufacturers demanded the end of the observatory competitions,and it was ended in 1973,thats when the lesser test Swiss COSC was founded.

Seiko Value, & High End.

There is a misunderstanding in some, that people assume Seiko equals affordable/cheap. Most are undoubtedly referring to Seiko's normally found on the street in Europe and the Americas, and they are definitely a good, fantastic, value for the money. But you can also get vintage and new high end Seiko's, which, until the advent of the Internet, were relatively unknown outside of Japan. And a few other far east Asian countries (Taiwan, GK, Singapore ETC.) "King Seiko","Grand Seiko", and "Seiko Credor", you will find in these watches that, movement and case finish wise, easily compete with the best of mass produced swiss watches, i.e. Omega, Rolex, etc. As for style… well, that is in the eye of the beholder. At best they can be considered very conservative. But it really depends which movements,and watches you are comparing to. What this all boils down to is: Seiko makes some truly outstanding products, and some mediocre ones, just like many other companies. If you want to buy one, you should, by all means do it. Because their bang-for-the-pound-factor is bloody amazing, at both ends of the spectrum.

Check out the regulator adjuster on this one! . That's real quality!and there own movement test, to a much higher spec than the Swiss COSC

selected Grand Seiko quartz model

Note 1: Seiko re-issued a limited edition of the "Astron" in 2000-1 that used a special version of the 9F movement that was rated to ± 2 seconds per year.
Note 2: The 9F movement is reportedly designed to run fifty years before it needs servicing.
Note 3: Other Grand Seiko quartz models use the 8J movement. Even less is know about this movement.
Source of information: Japanese retail sites

Thrasher · 31 July 2009, 01:46 AM

Japanese companies don't rebrand companies to sell high end products in the Japanese domestic market- i.e. no Lexus or or Acura, just top-of-the-line Toyota and Honda models. The Grand Seikos are fantastic watches. I love the predominately button-down elegance that I find in most of them. I also am enamored with their version of our beloved Rolex GMT, the SBGE001. Because I like deals, my eyes are peeled for a used example.

AWATCH · 31 July 2009, 02:01 AM

[QUOTE=Thrasher;1288759]Japanese companies don't rebrand companies to sell high end products in the Japanese domestic market- i.e. no Lexus or or Acura, just top-of-the-line Toyota and Honda models.

Thats interesting, didn't know that.

Kokyuryoku · 31 July 2009, 04:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Thrasher

Japanese companies don't rebrand companies to sell high end products in the Japanese domestic market- i.e. no Lexus or or Acura, just top-of-the-line Toyota and Honda models. .

Actually, until recently this was true. However, Lexus is now fully established in Japan as a separate car brand and is considered higher than most Toyota cars. As for Acura, I see them around town, but I think they are still being sold through Honda dealers.

Thrasher · 31 July 2009, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokyuryoku

Actually, until recently this was true. However, Lexus is now fully established in Japan as a separate car brand and is considered higher than most Toyota cars. As for Acura, I see them around town, but I think they are still being sold through Honda dealers.

Thank you; I stand corrected.

Kokyuryoku · 31 July 2009, 04:16 AM

I would love to get a Grand Seiko one day. The spring drive is amazing

. I could watch it all day. That thing is smooth!

Here's some information on Grand Seiko prices. The site is in Japanese but you can get an idea of the price (in yen of course).

http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/coll...html?model=101

Here's some interesting information in English on the Seiko Credor Sonnerie an absolutely beautiful watch. Check out the price for this beauty

http://www.seikospringdrive.com/sonnerie/index.html

http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/s...sonneriepr.htm

cyberone · 31 July 2009, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kokyuryoku

I would love to get a Grand Seiko one day. The spring drive is amazing

. I could watch it all day. That thing is smooth!

Here's some information on Grand Seiko prices. The site is in Japanese but you can get an idea of the price (in yen of course).

http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/coll...html?model=101

Here's some interesting information in English on the Seiko Credor Sonnerie an absolutely beautiful watch. Check out the price for this beauty

http://www.seikospringdrive.com/sonnerie/index.html

http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/s...sonneriepr.htm

wow nice resource there thanks

allanofcalifornia · 31 July 2009, 01:48 PM

Will they be selling them in Walmart??

Allan

cyberone · 31 July 2009, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

Will they be selling them in Walmart??

Allan

:r ofl:

jdc · 2 August 2009, 09:19 PM

I like those high end Seiko's. No, I would not spend $6k either on a Seiko or a Rolex

JimSnyder · 2 August 2009, 11:18 PM

I would put one of the cushion cased Seiko Divers (6306, 6309-70XXs from the 70s and 80s) up against a Rolex Sub any day

newmedia · 31 July 2009, 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by allanofcalifornia

Will they be selling them in Walmart??

Allan

no @ costco. LOL

daveathall · 2 August 2009, 06:11 AM

Grand Seiko would give any watch manufacturer in the world a run for their money, just think for a minute that if the timekeeping and technology of a Seiko that sells in the UK or US for 2 or £300 ($450) is regarded as wonderful value, then think how good a $6000 Seiko would be. Have you ever seen the quality of a Seiko Marinemaster? top notch, a steal at $1800.

escudoturbo · 2 August 2009, 07:48 PM

Ripped from the Irish watch thread this place sells the high end Seiko spring drives - though for a silicon valley based company they have a pony website, looks like something from 10 years ago :D

http://www.jacksonsquare.com/sc-watches/seiko.html

C. Davidson · 2 August 2009, 07:55 PM

For the money, I would put spending that much money on a Seiko comparable to a Breitling or TAG Heuer purchase. Just my personal opinion.

A wristwatch is not needed to tell the time, it is a piece of jewelry. In the case of the Spring Drive, it is a harmonious blend of Quartz and Mechanical technologies, a work of art to admire and appreciate. A modern day marvel of micro-engineering.

Sperry · 2 August 2009, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by C. Davidson

A wristwatch is not needed to tell the time, it is a piece of jewelry.

Like this?

scottschoe · 3 August 2009, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by escudoturbo

Ripped from the Irish watch thread this place sells the high end Seiko spring drives - though for a silicon valley based company they have a pony website, looks like something from 10 years ago :D

http://www.jacksonsquare.com/sc-watches/seiko.html

That shop is a few minutes from my house. Nice people working there, although yes, the website is very basic.

31 July 2009, 12:29 AM	#1
cyberone Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Real Name: Art Location: MARYLAND USA Watch: Rolex Gmt masterII Posts: 198	6,000 dollar seiko ????? whaaaaa!!!! So i just got the new edition of WatchTime magazine and they have an article about a line of Seiko watches from the range of $2,300 to $6,4000 it's called the Seiko Sanskrit. Even though i consider seikos to be good watches i own a couple my self. who would buy a 6000 dollar Seiko. NUTS. anybody know more about these watches and why the high end price tag?

31 July 2009, 12:39 AM	#6
alohanakoni "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Anthony Location: USA Watch: Rolex Daytona TT Posts: 860	i agree...it's outrageous. Attached Images __________________ "Chicka chicka bow wow!"

31 July 2009, 12:48 AM	#8
vjb.knife Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Vince Location: Pittsburgh, PA Watch: Rolex Sub & GMTIIC Posts: 626	The Seiko available in the US don't ......... The Seiko available in the US don't include their top models or product lines. Grand Seiko for instance can cost in the price range you are talking about. I have owned a few of their high end models which can only be purchased from dealers in Japan. They are every bit as high quality as Swiss watches in their price range and even above. They have cutting edge technology (Spring Drive) in their movements which can not be matched by any Swiss brand watch in accuracy, reserve and inovation. Seiko is not what the average US watch buyer has limited it to in their minds. This SBGE001 has an auto powered movement that easily keeps within 1 second per month.

31 July 2009, 01:31 AM	#14
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,062	And lets not forget before the Swiss COSC was formed as it is now, there was then Observatory testing and competitions to a much higher standard.Now with the lesser test Swiss COSC around 95% pass first time, Fact with careful regulation most any modern movement could pass the COSC test any brand any country. And during the entire 23 years of testing, 5093 wristwatches were submitted for certification, and only 3253 were passed, about 64%. Just a few manufacturers participated, and only Omega and Patek did so every year. The others were: Rolex, Zenith, Longines, Movado, Vacheron & Constantin, Ulysse Nardin, Cyma and Favre-Leuba, along with numerous independent professional watchmakers.That was until Seiko come on the scene and started to wipe the floor with the Swiss mechanical watch industry.Only 2 brand in the + 23 years of the competitions submitted movements of serial production for retail sale(Seiko and GP).All others were specially made movements just for the competition.and it was ended by the swiss in the 1970s after two straight wins by the Japanese straight off the production line Seiko Grand. Seiko first entered the competition,with watches from all over the world.Including most of the Swiss high end brands.For a much higher standard than the COSC,the Astronomical Observatory Authorisation Chronometer Standard.Out of many watches summited only two passed this test Seiko Grand just a production model, and Giraud Peregaux a specially build for the test model.And in the late 60s there were only two companies, who could sell watches, passed astronomical observatory authorisation Chronometer in those days. ---Seiko and Giraud Peregaux.As the Japanese had dominated in the late 60s and the two preceding events, in 1972 some Swiss watch manufacturers demanded the end of the observatory competitions,and it was ended in 1973,thats when the lesser test Swiss COSC was founded. Seiko Value, & High End. There is a misunderstanding in some, that people assume Seiko equals affordable/cheap. Most are undoubtedly referring to Seiko's normally found on the street in Europe and the Americas, and they are definitely a good, fantastic, value for the money. But you can also get vintage and new high end Seiko's, which, until the advent of the Internet, were relatively unknown outside of Japan. And a few other far east Asian countries (Taiwan, GK, Singapore ETC.) "King Seiko","Grand Seiko", and "Seiko Credor", you will find in these watches that, movement and case finish wise, easily compete with the best of mass produced swiss watches, i.e. Omega, Rolex, etc. As for style… well, that is in the eye of the beholder. At best they can be considered very conservative. But it really depends which movements,and watches you are comparing to. What this all boils down to is: Seiko makes some truly outstanding products, and some mediocre ones, just like many other companies. If you want to buy one, you should, by all means do it. Because their bang-for-the-pound-factor is bloody amazing, at both ends of the spectrum. Check out the regulator adjuster on this one! . That's real quality!and there own movement test, to a much higher spec than the Swiss COSC selected Grand Seiko quartz model Note 1: Seiko re-issued a limited edition of the "Astron" in 2000-1 that used a special version of the 9F movement that was rated to ± 2 seconds per year. Note 2: The 9F movement is reportedly designed to run fifty years before it needs servicing. Note 3: Other Grand Seiko quartz models use the 8J movement. Even less is know about this movement. Source of information: Japanese retail sites __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

31 July 2009, 04:16 AM	#19
Kokyuryoku "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Rye Location: Japan Watch: Sundial Posts: 2,156	I would love to get a Grand Seiko one day. The spring drive is amazing . I could watch it all day. That thing is smooth! Here's some information on Grand Seiko prices. The site is in Japanese but you can get an idea of the price (in yen of course). http://www.seiko-watch.co.jp/gs/coll...html?model=101 Here's some interesting information in English on the Seiko Credor Sonnerie an absolutely beautiful watch. Check out the price for this beauty http://www.seikospringdrive.com/sonnerie/index.html http://people.timezone.com/mdisher/s...sonneriepr.htm __________________ 'The Way of a Warrior is based on humanity, love, and sincerity; the heart of martial valor is true bravery, wisdom, love, and friendship. Emphasis on the physical aspects of warriorship is futile, for the power of the body is always limited'*- Morihei Ueshiba -* Omega 3570.50 (77mil) Rolex 16610 (V) Rolex 1601 (1966) Seiko BM

31 July 2009, 12:35 AM	#2
allanofcalifornia "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Allan Location: California Posts: 3,210	WOW! Allan

31 July 2009, 12:45 AM	#3
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	Yes, I think quite a number of the Grand Seiko (Spring Drives mainly) can reach that price level. We've kicked the idea around before... "is it worth spending 'Rolex money' on one..." That chrono does look nice though, and I guess if you compared it to a Daytona, it is quite a bit less than 'Rolex money'. I personally really like the GS hand-wound. I'd like to eventually have one in my collection. or 380000 yen, which is USD $3,988.86

31 July 2009, 12:42 AM	#5
Arby "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Ron Location: NJ Posts: 726	eh?

31 July 2009, 12:45 AM	#7
newmedia "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Austin Posts: 526	These are new line from SEIKO ,their higher end models has springdrive , only one watch company has this movement and its very accurate with 72 hour reserve.

31 July 2009, 01:05 AM	#10
AWATCH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: al Location: GEORGIA Watch: Explorer II Posts: 1,759	These watches may well be worth the price, Seiko is a good quality watch after all. But I would rather put the money into another Rolex

31 July 2009, 12:48 AM	#12
TheVTCGuy Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Paul Location: San Diego Watch: 126619LB Posts: 21,540	I can see it as well, Seiko makes an excellent watch, maybe not as high quality as a Rolex of course, but excellent nonetheless. My first watch love was the 6139, a tremendously succesful model from the 70s. When they put their expertise together to make a high-end watch, I can see it costing 6 grand.

31 July 2009, 01:11 AM	#13
cody p "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Canada Watch: Air-King 114200 Posts: 2,878	i bet you are actually getting closer to 6g worth of watch when you buy that seiko than when you buy an equivalently priced swiss piece.

31 July 2009, 01:46 AM	#15
Thrasher Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: Rich Location: New York Watch: 16710 Coke Posts: 275	Japanese companies don't rebrand companies to sell high end products in the Japanese domestic market- i.e. no Lexus or or Acura, just top-of-the-line Toyota and Honda models. The Grand Seikos are fantastic watches. I love the predominately button-down elegance that I find in most of them. I also am enamored with their version of our beloved Rolex GMT, the SBGE001. Because I like deals, my eyes are peeled for a used example.

31 July 2009, 02:01 AM	#16
AWATCH "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Real Name: al Location: GEORGIA Watch: Explorer II Posts: 1,759	[QUOTE=Thrasher;1288759]Japanese companies don't rebrand companies to sell high end products in the Japanese domestic market- i.e. no Lexus or or Acura, just top-of-the-line Toyota and Honda models. Thats interesting, didn't know that.

31 July 2009, 01:48 PM	#21
allanofcalifornia "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Real Name: Allan Location: California Posts: 3,210	Will they be selling them in Walmart?? Allan

2 August 2009, 09:19 PM	#23
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	I like those high end Seiko's. No, I would not spend $6k either on a Seiko or a Rolex

2 August 2009, 11:18 PM	#24
JimSnyder "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Jim Snyder Location: Ohio Watch: Ask me later..... Posts: 7,726	I would put one of the cushion cased Seiko Divers (6306, 6309-70XXs from the 70s and 80s) up against a Rolex Sub any day Attached Images __________________ "You ain't lived, 'til you've had your tires rotated by a red-headed women."

2 August 2009, 06:11 AM	#26
daveathall "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Dave Location: England. Watch: Various Posts: 7,305	Grand Seiko would give any watch manufacturer in the world a run for their money, just think for a minute that if the timekeeping and technology of a Seiko that sells in the UK or US for 2 or £300 ($450) is regarded as wonderful value, then think how good a $6000 Seiko would be. Have you ever seen the quality of a Seiko Marinemaster? top notch, a steal at $1800.

2 August 2009, 07:48 PM	#27
escudoturbo "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Baz Location: U.K Watch: Explorer II Posts: 364	Ripped from the Irish watch thread this place sells the high end Seiko spring drives - though for a silicon valley based company they have a pony website, looks like something from 10 years ago :D http://www.jacksonsquare.com/sc-watches/seiko.html

2 August 2009, 07:55 PM	#28
C. Davidson "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: WXSW Watch: GMT (116710) Posts: 2,723	For the money, I would put spending that much money on a Seiko comparable to a Breitling or TAG Heuer purchase. Just my personal opinion. A wristwatch is not needed to tell the time, it is a piece of jewelry. In the case of the Spring Drive, it is a harmonious blend of Quartz and Mechanical technologies, a work of art to admire and appreciate. A modern day marvel of micro-engineering. __________________ -Cheers, Chris #15,634 "The heart of the discerning acquires knowledge; the ears of the wise seek it out."

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