Would You Trade Pepsi BLRO for 1971 Red Submariner?

[johnk]

I currently have a few Vintage Rolex Sports watches as well as a few modern. One of my Vintage watches is a 1971 Red Submariner (shown recently in the Vintage Sub-Forum here). I've owned it for ~30 years and had it serviced by the NY RSC in 2005, I wore it a few months after the service, and put it in my bank's safe deposit box in late 2005 where it has remained until late week.

Last week was the first time in ~19 years it's seen the light of day. I retains its original 9315 bracelet as well as a 93150 I put on it 20+ years ago, service papers, etc... I'm now faced with the situation where I don't want to put it back at the bank, and I genuinely don't see myself wearing it at age 69 given the other modern watches I have... I'm also in downsizing/simplifying mode having sold (4) of my 60's muscle cars, my boat and some other things in order to make things easier for my family in the future..

About the only new Rolex I'd want to add to my small collection is a new Pepsi BLRO on Oyster. Obviously it's not the best time to purchase a BLRO, but I don't have a crystal ball and have no desire to attempt to predict the future...

Would you consider this a relatively even swap if I found someone with a late NIB BLRO who wanted a Red Sub?

The Vintage Subs, Sea Dwellers and GMTs were my first love in Rolex, however things and circumstances can change over time and age.


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[Roger Lococco]

No way, I could never make that trade.


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[johnk]

Originally Posted by Roger Lococco

No way, I could never make that trade.

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Because you prefer the modern BLRO and wouldn't want the Red Sub, or vice versa?

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[Roger Lococco]

Originally Posted by johnk

Because you prefer the modern BLRO and wouldn't want the Red Sub, or vice versa?

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It’s trading an incredibly special watch that you’ve owned for 20 years and would be very difficult to replace with a common BLRO.


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[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by Roger Lococco

It’s trading an incredibly special watch that you’ve owned for 20 years and would be very difficult to replace with a common BLRO.


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Agreed. No way would I ever make this trade. BLROs are a dime a dozen. OP, your watch is irreplaceable


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[Eric88]

I'd keep the 1680 Red Sub. They are already more rare and they aren't making them any longer LOL. The BLRO is a nice modern watch, though there's nothing so special compared with your heirloom watch. Consider passing it down to a family member that would appreciate it?

Taking the above out of the equation, the current market value for a 1680 Red Sub and SS BLRO are in a similar ballpark, give or take depending on condition and completeness of set, etc.

[johnk]

Originally Posted by Eric88

I'd keep the 1680 Red Sub. They are already more rare and they aren't making them any longer LOL. The BLRO is a nice modern watch, though there's nothing so special compared with your heirloom watch. Consider passing it down to a family member that would appreciate it?

Taking the above out of the equation, the current market value for a 1680 Red Sub and SS BLRO are in a similar ballpark, give or take depending on condition and completeness of set, etc.

Thanks, I have no one who would truly appreciate the Red Sub when I'm gone the way it deserves to be appreciated, they would be thinking $$$$

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[piratfisk]

Originally Posted by johnk

Thanks, I have no one who would truly appreciate the Red Sub when I'm gone the way it deserves to be appreciated, they would be thinking $$$$

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I'd appreciate it. You're my long-lost uncle John. Will it to me.

Serious: I wouldn't make that trade. The 1680 is very special & getting rarer by the day. Yes, BLROs are highly sought-after, but you can buy one today if you wanted to (grey). You would have a much more difficult time replacing your 1680, especially one that means so much to you. If you really want the BLRO, maybe wait a year to see if prices go down. If not, the best time to buy was yesterday, as our time on this wild rock in space is very finite. Money is made to be spent & if your benefactors will only think of their willed items for their cash value, then you might as well buy it & enjoy it now before you can't see the date through the cyclops.

[ExplorerI]

No I wouldn’t do it. Also I think the red sub is worth quite a bit more than blro

[yld2rob]

Depends on the condition of the Red Sub. I would consider that trade.

[KatGirl]

Just think about “you”. It’s been in a safe for years, and you don’t see yourself wearing it, now that you have it, at home. Find out its current value. If you want to experience a brand new Pepsi, go for it! Life is short. Just make sure you don’t get cheated.

Kat


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[adao]

Originally Posted by KatGirl

Just think about “you”. It’s been in a safe for years, and you don’t see yourself wearing it, now that you have it, at home. Find out its current value. If you want to experience a brand new Pepsi, go for it! Life is short. Just make sure you don’t get cheated.

Kat


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I am with Kat. You do not wear the Redsub, so let it go and enjoy new Pepsi. We don't know what happens tomorrow

[996marty]

No way would I ever consider trading a Red Sub for me it’s a way better watch and an absolute classic

[Porschen]

As the owner of a BLRO on Oyster, I wouldn’t feel right making that trade. Your watch is most likely more valuable and definitely way cooler.

Get it appraised and go from there :)

[Michael T]

I think you maybe have answered your question by not wearing the Red Sub since 2005. It sounds like you really like the BLRO, you would wear it and enjoy it. Fortunately you have a well earned capital gain in the Sub, I would recommend getting the BLRO.

[4reRlxGuy]

IMHO no. It's relatively easy to find a ceramic Pepsi if willing to pay around 20k.

100% correct red 1680s will be more difficult to find in the future. Also vintage prices seem to be more down than modern pieces. Have been able to acquire a 6202 and a 5510 recently for 60% of their highs.

[andrewjb88]

No I wouldn't, I'd love to have a red sub.

[kopi-c]

Why not have both, keep the vintage sub, and buy the current modern GMT from the AD... granted you have one that is local and the sales guy or gal could deliver.

[mjolnir2thor]

Originally Posted by johnk

I currently have a few Vintage Rolex Sports watches as well as a few modern. One of my Vintage watches is a 1971 Red Submariner (shown recently in the Vintage Sub-Forum here). I've owned it for ~30 years and had it serviced by the NY RSC in 2005, I wore it a few months after the service, and put it in my bank's safe deposit box in late 2005 where it has remained until late week.

Last week was the first time in ~19 years it's seen the light of day. I retains its original 9315 bracelet as well as a 93150 I put on it 20+ years ago, service papers, etc... I'm now faced with the situation where I don't want to put it back at the bank, and I genuinely don't see myself wearing it at age 69 given the other modern watches I have... I'm also in downsizing/simplifying mode having sold (4) of my 60's muscle cars, my boat and some other things in order to make things easier for my family in the future..

About the only new Rolex I'd want to add to my small collection is a new Pepsi BLRO on Oyster. Obviously it's not the best time to purchase a BLRO, but I don't have a crystal ball and have no desire to attempt to predict the future...

Would you consider this a relatively even swap if I found someone with a late NIB BLRO who wanted a Red Sub?

The Vintage Subs, Sea Dwellers and GMTs were my first love in Rolex, however things and circumstances can change over time and age.


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Depending on the condition of the 1971 Red Submariner, the watch may be worth a sizable amount of money. WatchCharts lists a range of $8,767 - $24,067.

If you wish to part with the red Sub, I would reach out to a few vintage watch dealers (e.g., Tropical Watch or Wind Vintage) for a quote, if not done already. Depending on the value of the Sub, you may be able to buy a BLRO and have some money left over in your wallet. As an example there is a 1971 Rolex Red Submariner 1680 MK 4 Dial priced at $23,850 on Tropical Watch.

I'm thinking your first step is do a little research before consider trading. Good luck with your Rolex adventure!

[painexpert]

No

[agsstructures]

I couldn’t do it, mainly due to the fact you’ve had it so long!

[Bazil]

Red Sub .. I wouldn’t want to part with it ..

[kieselguhr]

I personally would never trade a Red Submariner. Especially for a current production watch. I would just buy it and add.

P.S. If not having someone to pass it on to was ever a concern, I’d sell it all at the end and throw a going away party on one of Chewbacca’s mega yachts (the affordable-ish one)

[mjolnir2thor]

Hmmm.... how many of us have had a timepiece for a long duration of time where the spark, when you put it on, is no longer there? Red Sub, 5513, etc. just becomes a place holder in your watch box where you yearn for something new and/or different. I've been collecting watches for ~30 years and over that time my collection has evolved, in many cases, for the reason I stated above. Yes, on the surface, how could anyone sell a red Sub, but you haven't lived with it for 30 years and now the heart is yearning for a change.

Another point of consideration, how many of us actually have vintage watches. Yes, I love them but there is a reason my box of 12 only has two examples. Personally, I don't fault the OP for contemplating a change.

[Spoonage]

Tough. I'm usually a GMT > Sub type of person but in this case I would choose the Red Sub. A modern Rolex is easier to obtain than a vintage Rolex with that type of history and providence.

[derklink]

I’d say get/wear only what you like, regardless of age value or whatever. The Sub has been in a safe untouched for 19 years and OP is thinking about parting with it. Don’t know what else is needed. Pretty obvious to me. Also, OP is at an age where he doesn’t care how rare a watch will be in the future and indicated that the vultures would sell it anyway.

[mjolnir2thor]

Originally Posted by derklink

I’d say get/wear only what you like, regardless of age value or whatever. The Sub has been in a safe untouched for 19 years and OP is thinking about parting with it. Don’t know what else is needed. Pretty obvious to me. Also, OP is at an age where he doesn’t care how rare a watch will be in the future and indicated that the vultures would sell it anyway.

Agree 100%

[Dave O]

Originally Posted by derklink

I’d say get/wear only what you like, regardless of age value or whatever. The Sub has been in a safe untouched for 19 years and OP is thinking about parting with it. Don’t know what else is needed. Pretty obvious to me. Also, OP is at an age where he doesn’t care how rare a watch will be in the future and indicated that the vultures would sell it anyway.

This. We all talk about wear what you love, what puts a smile on your face. It appears the OP has fallen out of love with this watch. He's getting to the age where he doesn't need the investment part of this watch, and has in fact sold many of his assets due to changes in his life. It's been stored for 19 years. He has taken it out of the safe but it still is not in love with it. He has no family members that would wear it and would most likely sell it. If that's the case, why shouldn't he sell it to get what he does love?

OP - you only live once. We all have a finite time on this earth. Do what feels right to YOU, and not what others say. If this watch doesn't speak to you anymore, but another does, then go with your heart.

[amh]

Here's a little calculator one can use to estimate time left to enjoy these watches

https://engaging-data.com/will-money-last-retire-early/

It's intended for retirement planning but has an interesting feature: Life expectancy, shown by the grey portion of the graph

Enter:
1) Retirement Age [Enter your _current_ age here instead, eg 70]
2) Retirement Years [Enter your life expectancy here, eg. +20 from today]

The finances don't matter, use the defaults if you wish. The life expectancy curve is pulled from the SS admin.

[Andad]

Originally Posted by amh

Here's a little calculator one can use to estimate time left to enjoy these watches

https://engaging-data.com/will-money-last-retire-early/

It's intended for retirement planning but has an interesting feature: Life expectancy, shown by the grey portion of the graph

Enter:
1) Retirement Age [Enter your _current_ age here instead, eg 70]
2) Retirement Years [Enter your life expectancy here, eg. +20 from today]

The finances don't matter, use the defaults if you wish. The life expectancy curve is pulled from the SS admin.

I died reading this……


OP…keep the Sub.