Perezcope latest - Daytona @ Auction - A 'Big Dred'.

[TuRo]

https://perezcope.com/2024/05/19/whe...ith-fake-dial/

[rootbeer7]

Just incredible.

[KY..]

The dial definitely looks like one of the eBay fake dials.
Glad I had Jose and other aficionados check out my 6263 in advance…

[Crown & Shield]

One would have to be seriously brain-damaged to buy any Rolex at auction today. Especially from those guys…

[1665fan]

Crooks everywhere these days

[DoricSpiker]

Dear me. A thoroughly depressing read. Just greed.


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[996marty]

Lots of points that should have been picked up on by the auction house and shame on them for not doing so

[1William]

Another investigation that does not work well for the sellers. A lot of shadiness with these auctions.

[brandrea]

What’s the vetting process for these auction houses? Do they offer any guarantee that you are buying an authentic watch?

[964RS]

Auction house responded here…

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Lz_2MN...AwbDdwemw0Y24w

[swish77]

Originally Posted by 964RS

Auction house responded here…

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Lz_2MN...AwbDdwemw0Y24w

Embarrassing response. They got busted, so they installed an authentic dial after the fact. Sigh.

[996marty]

Originally Posted by 964RS

Auction house responded here…

https://www.instagram.com/p/C7Lz_2MN...AwbDdwemw0Y24w

What an unbelievably bad defence full of personal barbs instead of being able to take their clear mistakes on the chin. On the whole it would seem to be very unprofessional from them on all counts

[Fredrik]

Whoever wrote that auction house response made them look like real loosers... it even makes me think that they hastily had to find a non-counterfeit dial for some damage control.

[964RS]

Originally Posted by Fredrik

Whoever wrote that auction house response made them look like real loosers... it even makes me think that they hastily had to find a non-counterfeit dial for some damage control.

It’s Davide Parmegiani’s personal account….

[Wahlberg]

Reading his post, they simply sourced a period correct dial? From where? How? Just like that. And then all is good to go again?

[MrBlobby]

It’s depressing stuff. Whatever the truth do we really need the stuff about cockroaches, cocaine and projectiles?

[Davidt]

It makes me wonder how some people succeed in their profession. On what planet is that response any kind of damage limitation?
He’s admitting the dial was fake, says “shit happens when cataloguing these auctions” and is unhappy an unrelated third party didn’t do their job for them and advise them sooner.

Disgusting

[WatchEater666]

I’m personally way too scared of vintage now. I just bought a bb54 and scratched the itch lol

[MrBlobby]

But don’t you think some of the criticism is overly aggressive or accusatorial when things can sometimes be more nuanced? Maybe that is why it is being taken personally and getting an emotional response?

[Davidt]

Originally Posted by MrBlobby

But don’t you think some of the criticism is overly aggressive or accusatorial when things can sometimes be more nuanced? Maybe that is why it is being taken personally and getting an emotional response?

I agree. I think Jose can be too personal sometimes and it dilutes his objective argument.
Looking past all the tit for tat between them on the comments all I’ve learned from this is never, ever consider buying from that auction house. They’re meant to be professional, catering to wealthy clients and their response is utterly ridiculous

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by MrBlobby

But don’t you think some of the criticism is overly aggressive or accusatorial when things can sometimes be more nuanced? Maybe that is why it is being taken personally and getting an emotional response?

We're discussing misleading customers on a $70,000 watch, not including auction premiums and taxes. There's no room for subtlety. Since the watch was advertised and sold publicly, the refutation needed to be made publicly and assertively.

[cascavel]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

We're discussing misleading customers on a $70,000 watch, not including auction premiums and taxes. There's no room for subtlety. Since the watch was advertised and sold publicly, the refutation needed to be made publicly and assertively.

Absolutely correct. The "experts" at the auction houses should do their due diligence before they print or post the catalogs. Once they go public they deserve to be blasted. That's what good investigative journalism demands and nothing short of that will shame them into changing bad habits.

[ts3]

I was interested in the Patek 3711/1G from the same catalog. To my disappointment the catalog essay misrepresented that watch as one of the rarest Nautilus, claiming "approximately 700 examples of the Ref. 3711 produced, with only 100 in white gold" when in fact any and all 3711 where made in white gold and the number has been estimated to be 600-700. Either they tried to make the watch a lot more rare than it is or they know nothing.

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by omar-rye

We're discussing misleading customers on a $70,000 watch, not including auction premiums and taxes. There's no room for subtlety. Since the watch was advertised and sold publicly, the refutation needed to be made publicly and assertively.

May I offer my felicitations for the use of 'refutation', a word hardly used by anyone anymore sadly.

[Haywood_Milton]

Originally Posted by TuRo

May I offer my felicitations for the use of 'refutation', a word hardly used by anyone anymore sadly.

Was it used correctly ?

I suggest that in context it was not. Any refutation was performed by José.

[rootbeer7]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Was it used correctly ?

I suggest that in context it was not. Any refutation was performed by José.

I’m with H

[TuRo]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Was it used correctly ?

I suggest that in context it was not. Any refutation was performed by José.

Looks correct to me t.b.h, as any initial attempted refuting (albeit crappily), was by Mr Parmegiani.

[omar-rye]

Originally Posted by Haywood_Milton

Was it used correctly ?

I suggest that in context it was not. Any refutation was performed by José.

The auction house and some of their supporters have said that Jose could have approached them privately with his findings. Mr. Blobby said that Jose’s criticism came off as "overly aggressive or accusatorial." The refutation I defended is Jose’s refutation against the auction house and their representatives.

[MrBlobby]

You wouldn’t bid on a lot you liked with Monaco legends because of the instagram response to Jose?

[Davidt]

Originally Posted by MrBlobby

You wouldn’t bid on a lot you liked with Monaco legends because of the instagram response to Jose?

Well, I wouldn’t bid on most watches I might like at Monaco for two main reasons;
1. For ‘standard or relatively common’ references where I know the minutiae, I’d back myself to find a better example at a better price elsewhere.
2. For the ultra rare references, they’re not in my budget and even if they were, I wouldn’t trust their descriptions.

But in answer to your question, yes.