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PeterT · 18 October 2009, 03:20 AM

Hi,
Been out for a bit of Rolex therapy with my son who is considering buying a Sub no date.
We came across a shop with a brand new Z serial non COSC Sub no date (2 lines of writing on the dial and the V serial COSC version with 4 lines of writing on the dial.
Both were exactly the same price with no discount possible. I see what people say about the cleaner look of the older model.
However, at another dealer I can get 10% discount on the COSC V serial version but they cannot get hold of the non COSC version.
So my question is:
Which Sub no date, non COSC version, Z serial at full price or COSC version, V serial with 10% discount?
In the UK that means a difference of £338.

Peter

padi56 · 18 October 2009, 03:30 AM

Well both exactle the same watches except for a few fonts and the now very antiquated COSC test.So its swings and rounabouts myself would buy the cheapest option if I was going to keep the watch.

Tools · 18 October 2009, 03:33 AM

I wouldn't want to get into why you're shopping for a nice Sub.. They're great watches..

But, you shouldn't be shopping with the price being the determining factor unless the watches were identical..

If price is important to you (him), get the cheaper one.... If they cease production (which I doubt) then the COSC version will be one of the shortest Sub runs ever.

rolexsubdate · 18 October 2009, 05:03 AM

Get the COSC ONE .... like stated before, the COSC 14060M is the rarest because they just startedd making them....and with this new push towards supercasing, they just might pull the plug .....

Deep Sea · 18 October 2009, 05:17 AM

Get the one you like. 338 pounds is more than you will lose if you buy the one you don't really want.

kzm40 · 18 October 2009, 05:37 AM

Would have to be the COSC.. and as its cheaper,, win win

JRA21 · 18 October 2009, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by kzm40

Would have to be the COSC.. and as its cheaper,, win win

X2

kcmo · 18 October 2009, 07:09 AM

I'd go for the COSC version as well

MANOUCHE2 · 18 October 2009, 07:17 AM

The Z should be cheaper as it is older.

Speed · 18 October 2009, 07:29 AM

Should all come down to whether you like less text on your dial - or not. I personally would like the COSC text!!!!

PeterT · 18 October 2009, 07:53 AM

Thanks for all of your input. At the moment my son likes the COSC version, not because it is cheaper but he likes the RolexRolexRolex and the extra writing on the dial.
Interesting thought about this model being rarer in the long run.
I am not sure about the bracelet that flops open in comparison to the Sub Date bracelet that all stays locked together until you push the O.

Peter

Bullyterrier · 18 October 2009, 08:17 AM

I suppose you can look at it from two ways..One if they stop producing the sub next year then the certified version will be a very limited run and would be more rare. The other view is that if they continue running the certified version then people will be wanting the older non certified version, as you would not be able to get the cleaner un-cluttered face. Get which ever watch you prefer without thinking of future values, and if it does go up then it is a bonus.

Blue Lantern · 18 October 2009, 09:01 AM

I prefer the look of the non-COSC dial.

Perdu · 18 October 2009, 09:17 AM

Why not get a beautiful vintage 5513. Just an idea.

dannyp · 18 October 2009, 09:28 AM

For a brand new watch from an AD, for which I'm paying MSRP (or close to), I'd want the latest and most updated (which would be the COSC). Also, even if they keep making the non-date version but update it with the ceramic bezel, yours will still be a relatively rare version.

The GMT Master · 18 October 2009, 10:06 AM

I'd get the 10% discount, it's a damn good deal on a Sub

dweller · 18 October 2009, 10:22 AM

I have a non COSC but have had 2 COSC's , I love both but I think if I had a choice with each side by side I would choose the COSC, I do like the extra text and think the RolexRolex rehaut is cool.. :cheers

Ed Rooney · 18 October 2009, 10:13 AM

I would have the COSC. It will be more rare, plus it has not been sitting in a case for 3 years like the Z.

mike · 18 October 2009, 10:21 AM

As stated they're the same watch, but a lesser made dial at less money seems pretty easy to me.

dalip · 18 October 2009, 10:28 AM

Cosc

NYC6 · 31 October 2009, 03:10 AM

Six months ago I bought a new ND COSC Z serial. I also got 10% off. I like the fact that nobody has owned my watch previously(not that its a big deal).

DRAWTOOL · 18 October 2009, 10:41 AM

Let the kid get what he wants.

PeterT · 18 October 2009, 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DRAWTOOL

Let the kid get what he wants.

My son is very impulsive and so he needs to be slowed down so that a sensible decision is made.
I know that he would go for a GMT II classic if it were still made but he does not like the idea of pre owned. I am OK about pre owned providing I can inspect the goods thoroughly.

Peter

iwhelan · 19 October 2009, 12:06 AM

I am a big fan of the classic without the RRR on the rehaut. I also like the clean design with less text. I have a Z-Series 14060m.

eagle_lex · 19 October 2009, 01:45 AM

im a fan of the less dial print. plus preowned is a great way to catch a great deal. they guy i got my ND from needed money and never wore it. it was mint and i only gave 2500 for a P serial number in 2005.

sexner · 22 October 2009, 03:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eagle_lex

im a fan of the less dial print. plus preowned is a great way to catch a great deal. they guy i got my ND from needed money and never wore it. it was mint and i only gave 2500 for a P serial number in 2005.

Perhaps that is because it has inside it the older cal. 3000 movement NOT a modified one? (that would have made it an M with the cal. 3130).

Or he just needed the cashish

eagle_lex · 31 October 2009, 03:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexner

Perhaps that is because it has inside it the older cal. 3000 movement NOT a modified one? (that would have made it an M with the cal. 3130).

Or he just needed the cashish

its the M version so who knows..... if im correct the P is only representing the model year. because the box says it is a P serial number and a model number of 14060M. so if im not mistaken that means it has a modified movement.

mcubed · 31 October 2009, 03:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexner

Perhaps that is because it has inside it the older cal. 3000 movement NOT a modified one? (that would have made it an M with the cal. 3130).

Or he just needed the cashish

The P serial was the start of the M with the 3130....

sea-dweller · 22 October 2009, 03:37 AM

Try 'em both on and see which one "sings" to you ! Then, buy it !

sakuraba · 22 October 2009, 01:31 PM

COSC-very short production run
Non COSC-cleaner dial

Put one on each wrist and then decide.

Good luck on your decision.

18 October 2009, 03:20 AM	#1
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	Which of these sub no dates? Hi, Been out for a bit of Rolex therapy with my son who is considering buying a Sub no date. We came across a shop with a brand new Z serial non COSC Sub no date (2 lines of writing on the dial and the V serial COSC version with 4 lines of writing on the dial. Both were exactly the same price with no discount possible. I see what people say about the cleaner look of the older model. However, at another dealer I can get 10% discount on the COSC V serial version but they cannot get hold of the non COSC version. So my question is: Which Sub no date, non COSC version, Z serial at full price or COSC version, V serial with 10% discount? In the UK that means a difference of £338. Peter

18 October 2009, 03:30 AM	#2
padi56 "TRF" Life Patron Join Date: Jun 2005 Real Name: Peter Location: Llanfairpwllgwyng Watch: ing you. Posts: 53,063	Well both exactle the same watches except for a few fonts and the now very antiquated COSC test.So its swings and rounabouts myself would buy the cheapest option if I was going to keep the watch. __________________ ICom Pro3 All posts are my own opinion and my opinion only. "The clock of life is wound but once, and no man has the power to tell just when the hands will stop. Now is the only time you actually own the time, Place no faith in time, for the clock may soon be still for ever." Good Judgement comes from experience,experience comes from Bad Judgement,.Buy quality, cry once; buy cheap, cry again and again. www.mc0yad.club Second in command CEO and left handed watch winder

18 October 2009, 03:33 AM	#3
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,514	I wouldn't want to get into why you're shopping for a nice Sub.. They're great watches.. But, you shouldn't be shopping with the price being the determining factor unless the watches were identical.. If price is important to you (him), get the cheaper one.... If they cease production (which I doubt) then the COSC version will be one of the shortest Sub runs ever. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

18 October 2009, 05:17 AM	#5
Deep Sea "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: NC Watch: A Rolex or two Posts: 952	Get the one you like. 338 pounds is more than you will lose if you buy the one you don't really want. __________________ Deep Sea A few Rolex & a Tudor Sub An Omega & a bunch of Breitling

18 October 2009, 09:17 AM	#14
Perdu "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Real Name: Gary Location: GMT-6 Watch: GMT Posts: 3,350	Why not get a beautiful vintage 5513. Just an idea. __________________ Omega Seamaster 300M GMT Noire Omega Seamaster Aqua Terra 8500 Benson 1937 Sterling Silver Hunter

18 October 2009, 05:03 AM	#4
rolexsubdate Banned Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Moon Posts: 1,238	Get the COSC ONE .... like stated before, the COSC 14060M is the rarest because they just startedd making them....and with this new push towards supercasing, they just might pull the plug .....

18 October 2009, 05:37 AM	#6
kzm40 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: UK Posts: 713	Would have to be the COSC.. and as its cheaper,, win win

18 October 2009, 07:09 AM	#8
kcmo "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Karis Location: USA Posts: 19,377	I'd go for the COSC version as well

18 October 2009, 07:17 AM	#9
MANOUCHE2 Banned Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Moscow Posts: 39	The Z should be cheaper as it is older.

18 October 2009, 07:29 AM	#10
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Should all come down to whether you like less text on your dial - or not. I personally would like the COSC text!!!!

18 October 2009, 07:53 AM	#11
PeterT "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: England Watch: 16613 16710 16600 Posts: 1,021	Thanks for all of your input. At the moment my son likes the COSC version, not because it is cheaper but he likes the RolexRolexRolex and the extra writing on the dial. Interesting thought about this model being rarer in the long run. I am not sure about the bracelet that flops open in comparison to the Sub Date bracelet that all stays locked together until you push the O. Peter

18 October 2009, 08:17 AM	#12
Bullyterrier "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: . Posts: 1,343	I suppose you can look at it from two ways..One if they stop producing the sub next year then the certified version will be a very limited run and would be more rare. The other view is that if they continue running the certified version then people will be wanting the older non certified version, as you would not be able to get the cleaner un-cluttered face. Get which ever watch you prefer without thinking of future values, and if it does go up then it is a bonus.

18 October 2009, 09:01 AM	#13
Blue Lantern "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Delaware Watch: Tudor 79190 Posts: 366	I prefer the look of the non-COSC dial.

18 October 2009, 09:28 AM	#15
dannyp Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 6,765	For a brand new watch from an AD, for which I'm paying MSRP (or close to), I'd want the latest and most updated (which would be the COSC). Also, even if they keep making the non-date version but update it with the ceramic bezel, yours will still be a relatively rare version.

18 October 2009, 10:06 AM	#16
The GMT Master "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Chris Location: England Posts: 8,150	I'd get the 10% discount, it's a damn good deal on a Sub

18 October 2009, 10:22 AM	#17
dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: usa Posts: 249	Nd I have a non COSC but have had 2 COSC's , I love both but I think if I had a choice with each side by side I would choose the COSC, I do like the extra text and think the RolexRolex rehaut is cool.. :cheers Attached Images

18 October 2009, 10:13 AM	#18
Ed Rooney "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Annapolis, MD Watch: Sea-Dweller 16600 Posts: 5,081	I would have the COSC. It will be more rare, plus it has not been sitting in a case for 3 years like the Z.

18 October 2009, 10:21 AM	#19
mike "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 22,683	As stated they're the same watch, but a lesser made dial at less money seems pretty easy to me.

18 October 2009, 10:28 AM	#20
dalip "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Dalip Location: Mumbai and Perth Watch: Rolex PAM Omega Posts: 18,656	Cosc __________________ ------------------------------------------------------------ *"The liar's punishment is not in the least that he is not believed, but that he cannot believe anyone else." George Bernard Shaw*

31 October 2009, 03:10 AM	#21
NYC6 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Dennis Location: L.I./N.Y. Watch: SUBMARINER 14060M Posts: 2,769	Six months ago I bought a new ND COSC Z serial. I also got 10% off. I like the fact that nobody has owned my watch previously(not that its a big deal).

18 October 2009, 10:41 AM	#22
DRAWTOOL "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Mikey Uí Néill Location: Olden Texas Watch: 14060M & 16570 Posts: 1,941	Let the kid get what he wants.

19 October 2009, 12:06 AM	#24
iwhelan "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: Ian Location: Ridgewood, NJ USA Posts: 83	I am a big fan of the classic without the RRR on the rehaut. I also like the clean design with less text. I have a Z-Series 14060m.

19 October 2009, 01:45 AM	#25
eagle_lex "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Real Name: Ed Location: Lexington, Ky Watch: AP and Rolex Posts: 541	im a fan of the less dial print. plus preowned is a great way to catch a great deal. they guy i got my ND from needed money and never wore it. it was mint and i only gave 2500 for a P serial number in 2005.

22 October 2009, 03:37 AM	#29
sea-dweller "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Dennis Location: Bay Area - 925 Posts: 40,018	Try 'em both on and see which one "sings" to you ! Then, buy it ! __________________ TRF Member #6699 (since September 2007)

22 October 2009, 01:31 PM	#30
sakuraba "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: Jib Location: SJ, California Watch: sun dial Posts: 8,189	COSC-very short production run Non COSC-cleaner dial Put one on each wrist and then decide. Good luck on your decision. __________________ F 14000 AirKing black F 16710 GMT Pepsi F 16570 Explorer II white T 16600 SD D 16610 LV "fine quality is remembered long after the pain of spending money" -Steve Mulholland

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