LV sub now or wait for ceramic?

[FlyingMoose]

I don't have a Rolex yet, so I'm trying to decide what my first one should be. I could get the green one now, or could wait for the new one to come out. I'm planning to get one watch to wear for everything.

Advantages of the new sub:
Glidelock clasp more adjustable (more comfortable)
Bezel more wear-resistant
Parachrom hairspring (more accuracy)
Longer-lasting lume
AR cyclops
More blingy
Service available longer
no diver's extension (I'd never use it)
will be "in style"
won't be "the old version" for the next 10-20-30 years

Advantages of the LV:
Clasp less likely to break
Bi-directional bezel with YM spring
Lighter (more comfortable)
More likely to become collectible
Cheaper
More stealthy
Crystal sticks up above bezel (like the look)
Bracelet looks proportional to case
Choice of bezel color (black/green)
Available now
Bezel can develop patina

Note that these are what I see as advantages, you might see them differently.

[Brushpup]

Get the one you can now I say.

[Defiancekofb]

Depends on which version tickles your fancy. We still don't know if Rolex will be producing a ceramic LV or if they will produce a pepsi or coke ceramic GMT-II. If you want to wait for a ceramic LV and it doesn't come out, you will be forced purchased a used LV.

[Tools]

I don't think that you can really apply logic or a list of pro's/con's to a watch purchase..

It's more of a gut feeling of what lyou like and want on your wrist...

However, I think that for the next year or two, you will be seeing the last of the "cheap" Sub Dates..

[FlyingMoose]

Originally Posted by Defiancekofb

Depends on which version tickles your fancy. We still don't know if Rolex will be producing a ceramic LV or if they will produce a pepsi or coke ceramic GMT-II. If you want to wait for a ceramic LV and it doesn't come out, you will be forced purchased a used LV.

If I were getting a ceramic, I'd get the black version, not the LV.

[JJ Irani]

Bi-directional bezel with YM spring

All SUBs have uni-directional bezels which turn in the counter-clockwise direction only.

JJ

[Bullyterrier]

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Bi-directional bezel with YM spring

All SUBs have uni-directional bezels which turn in the counter-clockwise direction only.

JJ

Looking at the op's statement is it possible to fit a yacht master spring to a sub to get a bi directional bezel?

[Defiancekofb]

Originally Posted by FlyingMoose

If I were getting a ceramic, I'd get the black version, not the LV.

In that case, it's pretty much what you want to wear personally. If you are leaning more towards the ceramic bezel sub, then wait to purchase that. If you want the older look of the LV sub then purchase that. Only you know the answer to this question.....

[FlyingMoose]

Originally Posted by Defiancekofb

Only you know the answer to this question.....

But that's the problem, I don't know the answer...

[yemenmocha]

I think the shoulders on the newer model are more straight and gives it a "blocky" look, whereas the older Sub has nice curved shoulders that flow perfectly to the oyster bracelet. I consider this issue an aesthetic design flaw in all of the new Subs.

[Singslinger]

Originally Posted by yemenmocha

I think the shoulders on the newer model are more straight and gives it a "blocky" look, whereas the older Sub has nice curved shoulders that flow perfectly to the oyster bracelet. I consider this issue an aesthetic design flaw in all of the new Subs.

Yes, I'm glad someone else has noticed this as well!

[padi56]

1 Advantages of the new sub. Well if they do produce one in general very little.

2.Glidelock clasp more adjustable (more comfortable).Possible but nothing wrong with the old clasp well proven over the past 4 decades on millions of watches.

3.Bezel more wear-resistant.Again perhaps but a hell of lot dearer to replace and reading the many many post on TRF rolex watches in general get a very pampered live.So IMHO
extra wear factor not needed.

4.Parachrom hairspring (more accuracy).Again would doubt it Rolex watches over the past 40 years have shown tremendous accuracy I have a 30 year sub + 1 second a day.And all Rolex watches are COSC tested no matter what spring is in case Parachrome IMHO is 90% pure hype.

5.Longer-lasting lume.Again possible but would doubt it.

6.AR cyclops.Might be a little bit of a advantage in say direct sunlight etc but no big deal.

7.More blingy. Well if you like that sort of thing perhaps a plus.

8.Service available longer.Dont thing you will have to worry about any service issues with any cal 3135 for the next 40 plus years.

9.will be "in style".Will be the in style for who, its only a ceramic bezel etc.

10.won't be "the old version" for the next 10-20-30 years.Well basically the present sub has changed very little over the last 20 years would expect if they bring a ceramic out it will be the same.And if they do bring out a ceramic version,it will be far more expensive and would doubt if it will be at ADs until 2010/11.

11.Bi-directional bezel with YM spring.Well a Bi-directional bezel would be of little use in a diving watch
As its a diving watch you want uni-directional as it is now on all the Rolex diving watches.

[RolexPete32]

Originally Posted by padi56

1 Advantages of the new sub. Well if they do produce one in general very little.

2.Glidelock clasp more adjustable (more comfortable).Possible but nothing wrong with the old clasp well proven over the past 4 decades on millions of watches.

3.Bezel more wear-resistant.Again perhaps but a hell of lot dearer to replace and reading the many many post on TRF rolex watches in general get a very pampered live.So IMHO
extra wear factor not needed.

4.Parachrom hairspring (more accuracy).Again would doubt it Rolex watches over the past 40 years have shown tremendous accuracy I have a 30 year sub + 1 second a day.And all Rolex watches are COSC tested no matter what spring is in case Parachrome IMHO is 90% pure hype.

5.Longer-lasting lume.Again possible but would doubt it.

6.AR cyclops.Might be a little bit of a advantage in say direct sunlight etc but no big deal.

7.More blingy. Well if you like that sort of thing perhaps a plus.

8.Service available longer.Dont thing you will have to worry about any service issues with any cal 3135 for the next 40 plus years.

9.will be "in style".Will be the in style for who, its only a ceramic bezel etc.

10.won't be "the old version" for the next 10-20-30 years.Well basically the present sub has changed very little over the last 20 years would expect if they bring a ceramic out it will be the same.And if they do bring out a ceramic version,it will be far more expensive and would doubt if it will be at ADs until 2010/11.

11.Bi-directional bezel with YM spring.Well a Bi-directional bezel would be of little use in a diving watch
As its a diving watch you want uni-directional as it is now on all the Rolex diving watches.

Thank you for saving me all that typing on my keyboard and you covered much more then I would have.

[AIKO]

Originally Posted by padi56

1 Advantages of the new sub. Well if they do produce one in general very little.

2.Glidelock clasp more adjustable (more comfortable).Possible but nothing wrong with the old clasp well proven over the past 4 decades on millions of watches.

3.Bezel more wear-resistant.Again perhaps but a hell of lot dearer to replace and reading the many many post on TRF rolex watches in general get a very pampered live.So IMHO
extra wear factor not needed.

4.Parachrom hairspring (more accuracy).Again would doubt it Rolex watches over the past 40 years have shown tremendous accuracy I have a 30 year sub + 1 second a day.And all Rolex watches are COSC tested no matter what spring is in case Parachrome IMHO is 90% pure hype.

5.Longer-lasting lume.Again possible but would doubt it.

6.AR cyclops.Might be a little bit of a advantage in say direct sunlight etc but no big deal.

7.More blingy. Well if you like that sort of thing perhaps a plus.

8.Service available longer.Dont thing you will have to worry about any service issues with any cal 3135 for the next 40 plus years.

9.will be "in style".Will be the in style for who, its only a ceramic bezel etc.

10.won't be "the old version" for the next 10-20-30 years.Well basically the present sub has changed very little over the last 20 years would expect if they bring a ceramic out it will be the same.And if they do bring out a ceramic version,it will be far more expensive and would doubt if it will be at ADs until 2010/11.

11.Bi-directional bezel with YM spring.Well a Bi-directional bezel would be of little use in a diving watch
As its a diving watch you want uni-directional as it is now on all the Rolex diving watches.

These are sound answers I thought about similar things before I bought my LV. The new Subs are basically GMT's in my mind. The LV is in a totally different ballpark for me.

[Bullyterrier]

If you are like me, then there is no way you could even think of waiting for a new sub to come out next year. I gotta have it yesterday!

[Bullyterrier]

If you get one now, and/if the new one comes out next year, then you can always trade it in for the new one then.

[JBat]

Get the LV. You'll love it.

[Speed]

LV with black insert

you could be dead before the next sub is available - not to be morose

[mike]

[Ultraman]

Originally Posted by masugu

LV with black insert

you could be dead before the next sub is available - not to be morose

Can't agree more!

Get the Sub LV now and leave the new upcoming sub in the waiting list.

[sakuraba]

I'd buy the LV now, and wait for the frenzy to buy the new sub to subside and then upgrade to the new sub. Hopefully waiting would insulate me from the inevitable crazy pricing that would ensue after a model is announced at Basel.

[USCpaneristi]

Sub LV, no question. You can always get the other sub later. May as well enjoy the Sub LV now. Plus, and I know I'm in the minority, but I actually like the look of the Sub LV better than the classic sub.

Go for it! You won't regret it.

[nch209]

Green Now- with black insert.... then Ceramic when it comes out! Get em both!

Either way, you will not regret which you choose! Good luck!

[Brushpup]

I like that look mike, Love it actually!!

[JBat]

If that pic doesn't sell you, nothing will. What a great looking watch!

[Gster]

I had my heart set on a Submariner!
Got a new job and set out to buy one.
Only an LV Sub was available...I decided to buy it!

Unfortunately I picked up the wrong wallet and was not able to buy the LV.

Two days later, I was in my hometown and visited the Rolex dealer I had bought my watch ten years earlier. I told him I wanted a Sub, almost bought the LV etc...............

I was offered a Sub, or the GMT Master IIC.

As I am not a Diver, but do travel the world a fair bit, the GMT won me over.

So I invested a load of money in something that I didn't even know I wanted unti I saw it in the flesh......all I knew was that I WAS going to get a new Rolex.

Today I still love the GMT IIC, still admire Subs and all watches!

Try them all and then make your decision...you might surprise yourself!

[SubRem24]

Originally Posted by Gster

I had my heart set on a Submariner!
Got a new job and set out to buy one.
Only an LV Sub was available...I decided to buy it!

Unfortunately I picked up the wrong wallet and was not able to buy the LV.

Two days later, I was in my hometown and visited the Rolex dealer I had bought my watch ten years earlier. I told him I wanted a Sub, almost bought the LV etc...............

I was offered a Sub, or the GMT Master IIC.

As I am not a Diver, but do travel the world a fair bit, the GMT won me over.

So I invested a load of money in something that I didn't even know I wanted unti I saw it in the flesh......all I knew was that I WAS going to get a new Rolex.

Today I still love the GMT IIC, still admire Subs and all watches!

Try them all and then make your decision...you might surprise yourself!

Well I was also decided to buy a GMT IIc till I tried the Submariner in the shop... now I'm dreaming of a GMT coke?
No matter what you take, you still desire the other. (I'm talking about watches)

[snowbird]

As others have said, if it were me I'd get the LV now as it will be a while before you can even see a picture of the new Sub (assuming it is introduced at the next Basel show) and about a year before you could see one at an AD.

An idea to consider - if you could find a nice used LV, then you could get that now and if you do later decide you want the new Sub instead, you wouldn't take as much of a hit when selling the LV as you would have if you had bought it new. . . and meanwhile you'd have a Rolex on your wrist for the next year.

[Gster]

Just seen the photo above.....maybe need to get me a Sub as well ! ;)

[Gerardus]

I like the LV