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5 October 2019, 09:33 AM | #91 |
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Thanks for "bumping" this up. Valuable information here. I added this chart to my 5-digit Rolex Guide (Tools is credited).
https://luxurywatches635.wordpress.c...-rolex-to-get/
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Hi everyone, first post here.
Are there differences in the bezel inserts? Fat fonts/flat four etc? Thank you. |
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You need to look at some various examples to get an idea what the inserts looked like during the various eras or years of production. As an example, during 2004, the insert's 4s changed from the ones found on previous inserts. In 2004, the 4s went from being flat on top to pointed at the top.
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Tools finely distinguished between the two Rolex references.
As an aside, the 14060 M or Modified 14060 came into existence 1999-2000 and it featured a return to a full balance bridge with Breguet over coil. Stronger and more accurate. This change resulted in the caliber 3130 movement. The ref. 16610 utilizes a 3135 caliber, which has the date complication. Agree with Larry that this 14060M should be continued by Rolex as issued with lug holes. Might as well add two other features from decades gone by that would really set the 14060 M apart in a league of its own. A re-issuance including a gilt dial and hands with a domed crystal. As a chronometer with SEL case ledge; this would make it unique -almost a modern 40 mm 5512 reference. Might as well do it large. There are probably enough 14060 SS cases left near Geneva to justify the re-issuance. Rolex would not be able to keep them on the AD shelves. They could charge a slight premium increase to justify the added features expense. |
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Nice share
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wow...i did not know this....thank you...
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Thank you for sharing
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Interesting stuff.
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Sub thickness 14060 16610
Hello Tools,
Great thank you for this info. I'm considering the purchase of a 5 digit Sub. Do you know if there is a difference in the thickness of the back of the Subs also? Maybe more protruding back cover or more protruding mounting of the cover? Quote:
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This is the kind of thing I joined TRF for 👍😎👍
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Love the technical side ..
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Fantastic post Larry!
The watch you are showing seems to be a 14060 though, rather than a 14060 M. As SOG Diver pointed out, the ‘M’ stood for modified and the newer movement was more accurate. It came with Chronometer certification, which the older 14060 never did, and of course the dial was marked “Superlative Chronometer, Officially Certified”! I always preferred the No Date over the Date model. I think it’s about the best “tool” watch out there. When you add a date function, it starts to detract from legibility in low light, which is what these watches are about! |
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Thanks for the info! This is one of the reasons I am such a big fan of this site!
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How did I miss this post!
Excellent work Larry!
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Great stuff! 16610 is my grail!
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Expert knowledge at its finest. )))))
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Thank you very much for this information.
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Bumpting this on my yearly read of a great post. Thanks for the info!
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Thank you Larry.
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Peter is correct as to the 14060M and the inherent issue date and COSC certification.
Additionally, the 14060M "M" suffix involves the caliber internal changes within the 3130 movement, as a Breguet over coil and full balance bridge. An excellent article by Paul Altieri on the 14060/14060M is titled "Last of the Best". It is recommended reading for those interested in these Rolex Submariner references. |
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My own 16610 and 14060M have drilled lugs, which as a diver-facilitate the use of a NATO band. Peter is also correct to indicate the direction of COSC testing as it applies today to references considered "luxury" watches. It is interesting to note that in 1960, when my own 5512 Submariner was made, some 5512s were two line versions while Rolex was just beginning to have some dials marked "Officially Certified Chronometer". Most of these very early chronometers utilized the 1560 caliber, as does mine. The 5512 was also the first Submariner with crown guards as a tool watch, while the 14060/14060M series could be considered as direct descendants. |
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I see why people own both now. Sometimes it's good to know nothing then you can learn lol
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