What do you guys thinknof this 5513 gilt dial

[ertech]

Hi guys does this dial look ok?
Thanks

[77T]

Dark and not detailed enough to really provide decent scrutiny. If it’s yours, can you make a better close-up?

If not yours, then the seller isn’t giving you very good photos.


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[Tavli3]

Looks like a really nice 66


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[ertech]

can't get more pictures unfortunately . does it look right from this picture?
thanks

[harry in montreal]

The band and case are ding-less and pristine. I can’t tell if the hands and dial is right. The lume is also a bit wavy at 6.

[1watch]

Need more pics of dial and case in ambient light, as gilt are tough to tell unless seen at angles under light. Regarding dial, appears to be late gilt and these are known to have some wavy plots at 12,3,6 and 9.

[stmoore]

Originally Posted by ertech

can't get more pictures unfortunately . does it look right from this picture?
thanks

Evaluating at 50+ year old watch with 1 photo?
Come on ...
what’s the story?

Are you trying to buy it, sell it, steal it?

[Dan S]

Maybe this thread is a gag, but I'll answer seriously anyway. I would be very hesitant to give you an opinion on a watch like this based on one mediocre photo. If you have an opportunity to buy it, schedule a meeting with the owner and take lots of good photos from various angles in natural lighting, including between the lugs. If you can get photos of the inside, that would be great.

[harry in montreal]

Dan, at what price point would you just fire off a PayPal payment. Id go $4,000 on this one pic alone

[ertech]

It’s a guy I meet and snapped a picture of his watch . I was not crazy about the puffy plots
Was just curious
Thanks guys

[harry in montreal]

I would ask for more photos. I was just goofing around to illustrate that it is hard to give advice without good evidence. Good luck man

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by harry in montreal

Dan, at what price point would you just fire off a PayPal payment. Id go $4,000 on this one pic alone

I hear you, 7:1 odds on that photo might be worth it. Especially since the OP had a chance to speak with the owner and ask questions.

[stewester]

It looks potentially very nice but it's easy to hide imperfections with gilts by taking pics at a certain angle. Puffy plots are what you want to see on these.

[dimag333]

Originally Posted by stewester

It looks potentially very nice but it's easy to hide imperfections with gilts by taking pics at a certain angle. Puffy plots are what you want to see on these.

with the puffs, is it a worry of them flaking off? Sign of relume?

steve

[BrazenC5]

Originally Posted by dimag333

with the puffs, is it a worry of them flaking off? Sign of relume?



steve

There is the possibility of future flaking, but not itself, a sign of relume. Need to run a UV light to see how it reacts based on the lume during that time and applied 50ish years ago.

I would generally be more careful with gilt dials. In my day to day, I don't worry about wearing it, but more concerned if I bang it against a door knob!

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[zapokee]

Puffy-plot gilt dials are a disaster waiting to happen. Feels like a game of pass-the-parcel if you own it when the lume inevitably crumbles. Mine just sits in the safe. Should really get rid of it (not an offer for sale, mods).

[RolexBrian]

Is the watch for sale? If so, how much?

[athom]

Originally Posted by stmoore

Evaluating at 50+ year old watch with 1 photo?
Come on ...
what’s the story?

Are you trying to buy it, sell it, steal it?

+1 you can hope for precised information with only one pic. You can’t say that you can’t get more photo from a rolex from the 60’s...nonsense...

[btinl]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Puffy-plot gilt dials are a disaster waiting to happen. Feels like a game of pass-the-parcel if you own it when the lume inevitably crumbles. Mine just sits in the safe. Should really get rid of it (not an offer for sale, mods).

The puffy-lume gilt dials are beautiful, but the risk for crumbling really takes away from the utility of the watch. Mine typically sit in storage as well.

[Tavli3]

Originally Posted by btinl

The puffy-lume gilt dials are beautiful, but the risk for crumbling really takes away from the utility of the watch. Mine typically sit in storage as well.

Thats exactly what happened to mine. 2 o'clock plot has crumbled. Don't notice it unless looking under a loupe but still disturbing. I guess its unavoidable and will happen no matter what you do.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

Thats exactly what happened to mine. 2 o'clock plot has crumbled. Don't notice it unless looking under a loupe but still disturbing. I guess its unavoidable and will happen no matter what you do.

Well, you can usually stabilize the lume, but it's not 100% invisible to do that. Most people take their chances until the damage gets bad enough that they're willing to take the hit on appearance from the stabilization to avoid further degradation.

[Tavli3]

Thanks Dan for that info. How does the stabilization affect the appearance??


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[Dan S]

Originally Posted by Tavli3

Thanks Dan for that info. How does the stabilization affect the appearance??


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It depends, but it can make the lume a bit darker and maybe give a slightly glossy sheen to the lume surface. The biggest problem for me is that it's very difficult to stabilize the lume on the dial without encroaching slightly on the dial surface surrounding the lume. So in good lighting, you will often see what looks like a subtle stain surrounding the lume plot, especially under magnification.

Perhaps there are some really skilled people who can do a perfect, invisible job. I don't know.

[Tavli3]

Then it would give the appearance of a relume which is another issue value wise. I think leaving as is is best option. Thanks.


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[zapokee]

Originally Posted by Dan S

It depends, but it can make the lume a bit darker and maybe give a slightly glossy sheen to the lume surface.

This. My Tudor Snowflake hands have been stabilized and they are indeed a little glossy under a loupe, but I prefer that to the risk of the lume dropping out when I hit it on a door after a spirited evening with a bottle of single malt.

[Dan S]

Originally Posted by zapokee

This. My Tudor Snowflake hands have been stabilized and they are indeed a little glossy under a loupe, but I prefer that to the risk of the lume dropping out when I hit it on a door after a spirited evening with a bottle of single malt.

With hands, it's best to stabilize them from the reverse side, IMO.

[zapokee]

Originally Posted by Dan S

With hands, it's best to stabilize them from the reverse side, IMO.

Yes, you're right. I believe that's what was done with mine, but whatever they applied for stabilization bled through to the front surface of the hand lume, making it slightly glossy. It was done way before I bought it. The gloss is only perceptible under a loupe, and I can bang this on as many door frames as I like.

[Filipão]

Originally Posted by zapokee

Yes, you're right. I believe that's what was done with mine, but whatever they applied for stabilization bled through to the front surface of the hand lume, making it slightly glossy. It was done way before I bought it. The gloss is only perceptible under a loupe, and I can bang this on as many door frames as I like.

Exactly what I feel has been done on my 1680 hands. Glossier under the lupe, but oh so gorgeous!

[RolexBrian]

This is total BS. I purchased a 1966 Gilt #5513 from Jacek last year. I have worn and plan to wear it often. Putting these watches in a safe and being scared to wear them is stupid. I can not tell you how much pleasure I get from seeing the gilt gloss dial on my wrist in different natural lighting situations and angles. Now wearing it in a rainstorm is another matter. I live in So Cal...

[themaninblack]

The dial looks good but the photo is bad. The lume is what it is. You can’t see the actual condition of the gloss surface. The lettering looks correct.