Attempted Watch Robbery London

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Phrank

That's gold, Jerry! Gold!

Bania

[binArt]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

Of course it’d be better if there were no criminals. But we’re talking about victims here who treat almost everyone like vermin, expect to be waited on hand and foot, and showed up in the UK for the express purpose of rubbing their unearned wealth in the faces of the less fortunate locals.

It’s the same as if someone showed up to a biker bar, got drunk, and started talking smack to the regulars. Does he deserve to get beaten up? No. Did he do a great job putting a target on his back? Yes.

I think we can all agree that no one deserves to be violently accosted and robbed of their goods.

I saw no evidence that the victim treated anyone like vermin. Rich people vacationing in a major tourist destination and spending their money should not elicit such vitriol. Why so much hate?

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by binArt

Why so much hate?

Am curious, why do you think there is.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by binArt

I think we can all agree that no one deserves to be violently accosted and robbed of their goods.

I saw no evidence that the victim treated anyone like vermin. Rich people vacationing in a major tourist destination and spending their money should not elicit such vitriol. Why so much hate?

It’s not hate. It’s common sense that showing up in a foreign country and flaunting billions, especially if the source of such wealth is sensitive or controversial (in this case, oil — increasingly unaffordable but essential for folks around the world) in public and on the internet, is a very bad idea that here resulted in predictably bad results

The more curious question is why some folks on this forum worship wealth and luxury autos/watches/etc., regardless of the larger context surrounding both those items and the wealth that bought them. In the same vein, many think it’s appropriate to wear a Rolex literally anywhere, including in ghettos and slums — which is another bad idea.

[binArt]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Am curious, why do you think there is.

Making the victims part of a reviled group without any evidence? It reads like racism to me.

"we’re talking about victims here who treat almost everyone like vermin, expect to be waited on hand and foot, and showed up in the UK for the express purpose of rubbing their unearned wealth in the faces of the less fortunate locals

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Al1969

So new thread. “It is NOT safe to wear your Rolex while driving your supercar “.

Something I’ll never have to worry about.

[Incroyable12]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

It’s not hate. It’s common sense that showing up in a foreign country and flaunting billions, especially if the source of such wealth is sensitive or controversial (in this case, oil — increasingly unaffordable but essential for folks around the world) in public and on the internet, is a very bad idea that here resulted in predictably bad results

The more curious question is why some folks on this forum worship wealth and luxury autos/watches/etc., regardless of the larger context surrounding both those items and the wealth that bought them. In the same vein, many think it’s appropriate to wear a Rolex literally anywhere, including in ghettos and slums — which is another bad idea.

The rich Arabs and Russians have been a source of resentment and tension in London for decades now.

It's all coming home to roost now.

[Blansky]

I remember back after the 2008 financial meltdown some people said they didn’t feel right wearing their gold watches in front of their friends, many who got creamed in the financial crisis. Basically a sensitivity to misfortune.

Personally I don’t remember a time when there is such a flaunting of wealth as there is now. Tech, financial geniuses, and petro dollars has created a massive number of gazillionaires.

Remember 30 or 50 years ago a Rolex or a BMW et all was a sign of wealth. Now it’s a RM worth a million, a super car worth a zillion and a yacht worth a gazillion. The difference to what average people have is staggering. And the true sign of the times of rich people being robbed now goes from disgust at one point and more and more towards apathy.

Much like the gilded age, average people are getting apathetic to the problems of the rich.

Crime always goes up in times of economic stagnation and downturns. You can hire all the cops and bloviated DAs you want but this is what happens when people are feeling hopeless.

[Incroyable12]

Originally Posted by Blansky

I remember back after the 2008 financial meltdown some people said they didn’t feel right wearing their gold watches in front of their friends, many who got creamed in the financial crisis.

Personally I don’t remember a time when there is such a flaunting of wealth as there is now. Tech, financial geniuses, petro dollars has created a massive number of gazillionaires.

Remember 30 or 50 years ago a Rolex or a BMW et all was a sign of wealth. Now it’s a RM worth a million, a super car worth a zillion and a yacht worth a gazillion. The difference to what average people have is staggering. And the true sign of rich people being robbed now goes from disgust at one point to apathy.

Much like the gilded age, average people are getting apathetic to the problems of the rich.

I think it's also amplified by the internet and society becoming more casual.

In the past, absurd baubles existed but no one saw them outside a very rarefied social circle.

I've seen some ridiculous vintage luxury goods from the 1950s-1970s at vintage dealers like solid gold ashtrays in the shape of swans and diamond encrusted platinum cigarette lighters.

[Al1969]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Bania

“Soup’s not a meal”.

[Incroyable12]

The owner of the Le Monde Edmond blog also got 8 of his watches stolen recently:

https://www.instagram.com/p/ChjhwM3M..._web_copy_link

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Al1969

“Soup’s not a meal”.

I want my suit back

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by Incroyable12

I think it's also amplified by the internet and society becoming more casual.

In the past, absurd baubles existed but no one saw them outside a very rarefied social circle.

I've seen some ridiculous vintage luxury goods from the 1950s-1970s at vintage dealers like solid gold ashtrays in the shape of swans and diamond encrusted platinum cigarette lighters.

I agree the internet amplifies everything. Both the flaunting and the mistrust.

But we have to remember there is a fine line between being happy for someone else’s success and feeling envious of it. And a over riding factor in that is if the successful person flaunts their wealth or not.

[Tricolore66]

It's shocking how many people in the states have less than $500 in their bank account and live check-to-check yet they all seem to have $1,000 cell phones and can spend $8 a day on lattes.

The average car loan here is now 80+ months. If you need 80 months or more to pay for something you can't live in, you probably shouldn't buy it.

But next up is student loan forgiveness, which is going to do nothing but reward irresponsible behavior.

Originally Posted by Wahlberg

The thing I don't get is that a lot of people who made good money in the US were always renting, for decades, now something something hit the fan and they can't cover rent anymore and can't even buy a house if they wanted. How does that make sense? That's a lifestyle they chose themselves. 'Low' rent, eating out all the time, car payments, travels, ...

It's not my or anyone elses fault some people didn't learn to save money.

[Incroyable12]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

It's shocking how many people in the states have less than $500 in their bank account and live check-to-check yet they all seem to have $1,000 cell phones and can spend $8 a day on lattes.

The average car loan here is now 80+ months. If you need 80 months or more to pay for something you can't live in, you probably shouldn't buy it.

But next up is student loan forgiveness, which is going to do nothing but reward irresponsible behavior.

It's because of credit cards and the sense of entitlement that comes from living in the richest country in the world.

You think of course I'm supposed to be able to have an iPhone and take vacations.

[Hollie_Rollie]

Originally Posted by enjoythemusic

Am curious, why do you think there is.

I think social media has really shed a light on the social status and income disparities. Fueling more jealously and envy. Don’t want to work for nice things? Just steal. You weren’t born into Saudi oil money? No problem, get them at the stop light on your moped


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[huncho]

Originally Posted by Tricolore66

It's shocking how many people in the states have less than $500 in their bank account and live check-to-check yet they all seem to have $1,000 cell phones and can spend $8 a day on lattes.

The average car loan here is now 80+ months. If you need 80 months or more to pay for something you can't live in, you probably shouldn't buy it.

But next up is student loan forgiveness, which is going to do nothing but reward irresponsible behavior.

imo financing a car isn't nearly as bad as all these people i see proud of becoming home owners while taking on 30 year mortgages because they're stretching their budget so much, not realizing the house will cost them 1.5-2x more. unfortunately that's never seen as irresponsible

otherwise you're right though, an 80 month car loan is probably pretty bad no matter which way you spin it. a lot of people live too much on borrowed money and are 1 firing away from becoming homeless

i think it's too easy to get loans but nothing will ever change there

[BNA/LION]

These robbers SUCK! it's not right to steal.

[gnuyork]

Originally Posted by TK-710

I’m surprised there’s not more car moped fatalities in London if this is their tactic of choice. Taking on a car while on a moped seems a little bit of a mismatch.

Especially a Bugatti.

[macrowatch]

Originally Posted by gnuyork

Especially a Bugatti.

As Fast & the Furious 1 taught us, It's not how to drive your car it's how you stand next to it. Oh wait, or is it the other way around?

[NYC6]

Yeah, climate is at fault for huge increases in crime in many places.
How about mass immigration to these iconic countries/ cities by politicians who opened the floodgates to anyone and everyone from wherever. The cream of other countries population weren’t coming in these human tidal waves. Of course there are home grown cretins as well but now many places have to deal with both locals and recent imports. We’re all now reaping the poison fruits of these immigrants with little concern for countries law and order.
I’m sad when I see what’s happening in London. I love that city but won’t be going back any time soon.

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by NYC6

Yeah, climate is at fault for huge increases in crime in many places.
.

It's funny what people cherry pick from posts. If you'd read what I said, it's that in the near future it's predicted that climate change, famine will cause a massive migration of people from poor countries to rich ones.

In fact right now due to wars and various conflicts there are something like 100 million refugees floating around the world. That doesn't make refugees criminals but in a world of increased haves vs have nots, crime will always increase.

https://countercurrents.org/2022/06/...s-millions-go/

https://www.unhcr.ca/in-canada/refugee-statistics/

[R.bartlett]

Originally Posted by Star Ferry

Of course it’d be better if there were no criminals. But we’re talking about victims here who treat almost everyone like vermin, expect to be waited on hand and foot, and showed up in the UK for the express purpose of rubbing their unearned wealth in the faces of the less fortunate locals.

It’s the same as if someone showed up to a biker bar, got drunk, and started talking smack to the regulars. Does he deserve to get beaten up? No. Did he do a great job putting a target on his back? Yes.

She was DEFINTELY asking for it!

JeesusH Christ is this what the world has come to?

By your logic, anyone poorer than the next person is fully entitled to rob them if they think they were 'flaunting' their Tesco carrier bag full of shopping across the car park? Where does your logic end. All property is theft?


Secondly, your defence of the attackers amounts to pure supposition about the victim. The guy was driving around London in his car perfectly legally that does not amount to any justification in any way shape or form in my book. I'm greatly saddened it seems to in yours. You cannot single out certain victims through jealousy or envy.

[rootbeer7]

The attempted crime was appalling regardless of the victim.
The victim in this instance is Middle Eastern and as it has been correctly noted him & others from the region do cause awful problems for locals during the Summer months. Using Knightsbridge and the locale as a race track all day and all night caused the police to confiscate some of the cars prior to the pandemic after a spate of accidents.

[Star Ferry]

Originally Posted by R.bartlett

She was DEFINTELY asking for it!

JeesusH Christ is this what the world has come to?

By your logic, anyone poorer than the next person is fully entitled to rob them if they think they were 'flaunting' their Tesco carrier bag full of shopping across the car park? Where does your logic end. All property is theft?


Secondly, your defence of the attackers amounts to pure supposition about the victim. The guy was driving around London in his car perfectly legally that does not amount to any justification in any way shape or form in my book. I'm greatly saddened it seems to in yours. You cannot single out certain victims through jealousy or envy.

I have more than enough and am not jealous of anyone. I don’t support theft of any form, but I also don’t feel particularly bad about cases like this one.

If you think hard enough, there’s plenty of supposition and assumption on all sides of the issue. Stealing is wrong because why? Law and order, civilization, fairness, respect for property rights, ethical mores, etc. And yet it was the total absence of all the aforementioned things — the very things that underpin the idea that theft is wrong — that allowed thugs across the globe (e.g., Russian oligarchs, Chinese civil servants with a billion bucks under their pillow, drug kingpins, and the dictators and warlords of various banana republics) to amass the unimaginable fortunes they now splash across London, New York City, and elsewhere.

To the extent such people arrive in London or New York to exploit the very law, order, fairness, and morality they’ve eradicated and made a mockery of in their home countries, I have absolutely zero sympathy. They should pay for their own security on any future junkets, rather than rely on any local municipal services

[enjoythemusic]

Originally Posted by Hollie_Rollie

I think social media has really shed a light on the social status and income disparities.

It's not social media, it is a real-world problem and central banks know they have caused it, and it is getting worse. Currency devaluation (inflation) hurts most those who can least afford it.

Maybe they were expressing their feeling of the lack in justice to who caused 9/11, murders journalists, very recently sentenced well-educated to jail for just their Tweets that go against the dictatorship's social manipulation scheme, their LGBTQI+ laws....

We just don't know why they did why they did.

Did they catch them so we know why?

[Blansky]

Originally Posted by R.bartlett

She was DEFINTELY asking for it!

JeesusH Christ is this what the world has come to?

By your logic, anyone poorer than the next person is fully entitled to rob them if they think they were 'flaunting' their Tesco carrier bag full of shopping across the car park? Where does your logic end. All property is theft?


Secondly, your defence of the attackers amounts to pure supposition about the victim. The guy was driving around London in his car perfectly legally that does not amount to any justification in any way shape or form in my book. I'm greatly saddened it seems to in yours. You cannot single out certain victims through jealousy or envy.

One thing that we should remember is the difference between perhaps understanding why something happens and condoning something that happens.

When people try to understand the world and the times they live in it needs to be within the context of the times. Why did WW2 happen, how did social media take over the world etc etc.

So trying to come up with reasons is the first step to coming up with solutions. Understanding something is not the same as condoning it.

Muggings are on the rise. Why. Some people say poor law enforcement and court systems. Some say what social conditions cause it. Obviously it's probably a combination of a lot of things.

Who are these gangs? Where is this merchandise going once stolen? It's probably not neighbor kids. And in hard times the Willie Sutton rules may apply. Why do you rob banks? Because that's where the money is.

Well right now it seems the money is walking around town on the wrists of people.

[Stud Screw]

Originally Posted by BNA/LION

These robbers SUCK! it's not right to steal.

[enjoythemusic]

Maybe it was a 'family grudge' that just so happened to play out on the streets in another country? So not at all a robbery, but to appear like one? You never know nowadays.

[Fashionwatch]

Please you all should be careful, I’ve seen almost a dozen cases of theft this week on instagram, the rate at which these bad eggs target luxury watches these days is alarming. Sometimes I don’t wear my watches when going out to places I’m not quite familiar with.