Worked at an AD in Cincinnati

[phonefool]

Originally Posted by TheVTCGuy

I have been with my AD since 2008. I know the SAs very well and can tell you without a doubt, it is the manager that decides where (or to whom) the watches go.

Yes, the managers decide 100% - agreed. Unless you’ve got a relationship with a manager, it’s the relationship with your Sales Associate that really matters.

There’s more than one way to build said relationship; it doesn’t have to be fake and it doesn’t have to require spending money on items you don’t want.

I’ve personally met several SA’s over the years, and the handful that I’ve developed genuine rapport with have fought for me or put in a good word for me (with their managers/owners) on my behalf to get me a watch when the opportunity was there - often without a spend history.

Not every SA will have the same pull with the manager / AD owner. That must be a consideration as well.

Unfortunately, or fortunately - depending how you look at it - people skills and chemistry matter here - between you and your SA, and between your SA and their manager or owner.

Unless you’re rich and / or famous and spending a ton of money. Of course those people will have priority. With watches and almost everything else. Its capitalism folks.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

I have respect for people who respect me. But the whole process of buying a watch these days is a process full of disrespect and degradation, in my opinion.

There's no respect for me if I'm required to put my name on waiting lists that go no where, if I'm never called back, if watches I'd like to buy go to others who suck face better than me, if I'm required to buy tons of other merchandise in what I think is borderline illegal "tying arrangements", etc.

My hot rage is not about not being to get the watch, it's about how I'm being treated.

Again, this is not about "being nice to a salesman"... You've got to be kidding if that's what you think, and you obviously haven't read this thread from top to bottom.

“Borderline Illegal.” Literal LOL. These watches are in heavy demand. Why should they sell them to you and not one of the scores of other people who want a watch? Nobody is under any obligation to sell anyone a watch.

I’ve gotten all the Rolexes I’ve wanted, at one AD I had no history and the other i had minor spend. All it took was popping into the shop a couple of times.

One shouldn’t experience white hot rage over any of this business. And I’d argue it is about not getting the watch. If the SA smiled and was nice and said “I’m sorry sir, under the current circumstances, we don’t ever see us being able to sell you a Rolex. We simply have too many people who want these watches and we don’t have enough to give everyone who wants one a watch. Please have a good day and please feel free to browse our other items,” I don’t think the rage would go away.

Because some SAs have said that and there are multiple threads of people pissed about it.

It’s entitlement, pure and simple.

Why should they sell it to you over the people who you claim “suck face better?”

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by phonefool

Unless you’re rich and / or famous and spending a ton of money. Of course those people will have priority. With watches and almost everything else. Its capitalism folks.

And if that behavior happened, you would support it? That's how you'd want to be treated? That's not Capitalism, that's the type of behavior that actually brings down Capitalism (and Democracy, while you're at it). Taken to an extreme, this is how a billionaire could a supreme court judge with fancy private plane trips, luxury boats, gifts, homes for the judge's mother, and more.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

That's not Capitalism, that's the type of behavior that actually brings down Capitalism (and Democracy, while you're at it). Taken to an extreme, this is how a billionaire buys a supreme court justice with fancy private plane trips, luxury boats, gifts, homes for the judge's mother, and more.

Again, literal LOL. This is ridiculous over watches. The AD is engaging in behavior that will make him the most money. Of course he’s going to give preference to clients that will spend more in his shop.

Comparing a merchants allocation of luxury goods to people that have a moral and legal obligation to act in the public interest is absurd. And just another indication of how addled people’s brains are about not being able to get a damn watch.

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

“Borderline Illegal.” Literal LOL. These watches are in heavy demand. Why should they sell them to you and not one of the scores of other people who want a watch? Nobody is under any obligation to sell anyone a watch.

I’ve gotten all the Rolexes I’ve wanted, at one AD I had no history and the other i had minor spend. All it took was popping into the shop a couple of times.

One shouldn’t experience white hot rage over any of this business. And I’d argue it is about not getting the watch. If the SA smiled and was nice and said “I’m sorry sir, under the current circumstances, we don’t ever see us being able to sell you a Rolex. We simply have too many people who want these watches and we don’t have enough to give everyone who wants one a watch. Please have a good day and please feel free to browse our other items,” I don’t think the rage would go away.

Because some SAs have said that and there are multiple threads of people pissed about it.

It’s entitlement, pure and simple.

Why should they sell it to you over the people who you claim “suck face better?”

Over the years, I've heard people on this forum describe selling activities that are unethical.

As to who "they" should sell the watches (ie the watch sellers), they should sell watches the ethical way, which is to say, put the watch in the showcase, and wait for someone to come in to inquire and buy. That's the ethical way to sell.

How would you feel if you wanted to buy something on eBay, but the seller said to you (or intimated that you should): "put on your Sunday suit first, then come to me in person, then show me your ID, tell me its your anniversary, then repeat the process a few times, and also, buy other crap from me, then I'll think about whether I'm willing to sell you anything." That wouldn't get you mad? Why is buying a Rolex from any AD any different?

What if Walmart or Target did that? There would be people with pitchforks lining up in their thousands outside the stores, screaming and yelling.... Puhhhhleeez....

What should be telling for you and anyone who is paying attention is, that, as you said, "there are multiple threads of people pissed about it." Yes, there are, and perhaps its because the watch buying process today is untenable.

When you say "it's entitlement, pure and simple" I say okay, yes, I'm entitled to be treated fairly in this country. And if I'm not treated fairly, I'm entitled to rage about it.

And finally, "why should they sell it" to me? It's not about me. It's about selling it fairly.

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Again, literal LOL. This is ridiculous over watches. The AD is engaging in behavior that will make him the most money. Of course he’s going to give preference to clients that will spend more in his shop.

Comparing a merchants allocation of luxury goods to people that have a moral and legal obligation to act in the public interest is absurd. And just another indication of how addled people’s brains are about not being able to get a damn watch.

What the heck are you talking about? Why are watches different from milk and eggs? Do you even know that there's a whole regulatory framework out there that regulates how commerce gets done generally? If all that mattered is a seller engaging in behavior that makes him the most money, then he would be discriminating, literally. That's not allowed. Start reading the UCC Code, then come talk to me. Until then, I'm done with you.

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Yes, it's behavior that, if it's not borderline illegal, then it's unethical. Don't blow gas out your butt. Go Google "tying arrangements".

As to who "they" should sell the watches, they should sell the watches the ethical way, which is to say, put the watch in the showcase, and wait for someone to come in to inquire and buy. That's the ethical way to sell.

How would you feel if you wanted to buy something rare on eBay, but the seller said to you: "put on a suit first, then come to me in person, then show me your ID, tell me its your anniversary, then repeat the process a few times, and also, buy other crap from me, then I'll think about whether I'm willing to sell you anything." That wouldn't get you mad? Why is buying a Rolex from an AD any different?

What if Walmart or Target did that? There would be people with pitchforks lining up in their thousands outside the stores, screaming and yelling.... Puhhhhleeez....

What should be telling for you, and for Rolex, and for other ADs if they are reading and paying attention, that, as you said, "there are multiple threads of people pissed about it." Yes, there are, and it's because Rolex and AD treatment of customers is untenable. The process is untenable.

When you say "it's entitlement, pure and simple" I say okay, yes, I'm entitled to be treated fairly in this country. And if I'm not treated fairly, I'm entitled to rage about it.

And finally, "why should they sell it" to me? It's not about me. It's about selling it fairly.

You’re actually suggesting that federal antitrust law (which is what tying arrangements are a violation of) applies to this situation. There are hundreds of independent retailers selling a mass produced product. The fact that you think that antitrust law applies is risible.

If a dude had something rare on eBay and wanted me to jump through hoops to get it, of course I wouldn’t get mad. I’d decide whether I wanted to jump through the hoops or walk away. It’s his item. He can sell it to whomever he wants. I’m not owed anything. He’s under no obligation to sell it to me. And if Wal-Mart or Target did that, people would just shop elsewhere. At one of the other thousands of other retail outlets that sell the things that they sell.

Plus, these are LUXURY WATCHES. It’s not good rations or medicine. Nobody needs to buy one and nobody is owed one.

“Ethical” selling of a 5 figure watch? Ethics have zero to do with any of this.

First come first serve just means that folks who have time to stake out stores (I.e., flippers) will get all of the watches. Why should the ADs be forced to sell this way

In fact, I’ll flip it, if you have a rare item to sell on eBay, should you be legally obligated to sell it to the first person who asks?

You just have to accept that everyone isn’t getting a watch. And that the people not getting one might include you. You can be much more zen about it then instead of “rage”

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

What the heck are you talking about? Why are watches different from milk and eggs? Do you even know that there's a whole regulatory framework out there that regulates how commerce gets done generally? If all that mattered is a seller engaging in behavior that makes him the most money, then he would be discriminating, literally. That's not allowed. Start reading the UCC Code, then come talk to me. Until then, I'm done with you.

Rolexes are absolutely different than milk and eggs. Both practically and “ethically”

I love how somebody throws out some terms and thinks they are smart when it’s clear they have no idea what they are talking about.

“UCC Code”.

Or maybe I’m the idiot for engaging.

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Over the years, I've heard people on this forum describe selling activities that are unethical.

As to who "they" should sell the watches (ie the watch sellers), they should sell watches the ethical way, which is to say, put the watch in the showcase, and wait for someone to come in to inquire and buy. That's the ethical way to sell.

How would you feel if you wanted to buy something on eBay, but the seller said to you (or intimated that you should): "put on your Sunday suit first, then come to me in person, then show me your ID, tell me its your anniversary, then repeat the process a few times, and also, buy other crap from me, then I'll think about whether I'm willing to sell you anything." That wouldn't get you mad? Why is buying a Rolex from any AD any different?

What if Walmart or Target did that? There would be people with pitchforks lining up in their thousands outside the stores, screaming and yelling.... Puhhhhleeez....

What should be telling for you and anyone who is paying attention is, that, as you said, "there are multiple threads of people pissed about it." Yes, there are, and perhaps its because the watch buying process today is untenable.

When you say "it's entitlement, pure and simple" I say okay, yes, I'm entitled to be treated fairly in this country. And if I'm not treated fairly, I'm entitled to rage about it.

And finally, "why should they sell it" to me? It's not about me. It's about selling it fairly.

But your entire post is about you. About you not being treated fairly. About you wanting AD's to sell ethically. About you getting mad if the ebay seller wants you to jump through hoops.

These are wholly unnecessary, irrelevant, luxury items. You would have a valid point about ethics if we were discussing the sale of basic essentials for human existence. Food, water, clothing, shelter, medication. But its not.

Your entire post reads with a sense of self entitlement, or complete lack of reality.

If you don't like the game, don't play. Its your choice.

You're not being treated unfairly. Ethics don't apply to luxury trinkets.

[Auric Goldfinger]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Rolexes are absolutely different than milk and eggs. Both practically and “ethically”

I love how somebody throws out some terms and thinks they are smart when it’s clear they have no idea what they are talking about.

“UCC Code”.

Or maybe I’m the idiot for engaging.

Didn’t know luxury wristwatches were considered in the same regard as food for survival.

His original post degrades SA as if their roles are inferior but then he talks about wanting respect in return.

It’s clear as day why some are passed over in allocations.

[Mystro]

Rolex is a brand where they don’t care if you like how they sell their watches and doesn’t need your business. This in turn just stimulates the desire to own “the brand that doesn’t need you” even more by the wealthy that seeks out such exclusivity. The enraged jealous downtrodden then sits in their social media corner wishing/hoping Rolex will get taken down by denouncing the brand and bad mouthing actual Rolex owners whenever they can for owning such a “over rated hype watch”.

The Rolex strategy is brilliant and every one is playing their respective parts on either side of the Rolex velvet ropes. Another good alternative strategy is there are other brands with filled display cases that will even give you a discount if want to feel like you are in control of the sale. You probably will get a nicer watch box and lots of high quality accessories and literature on the watch you just got a killer discount on.

[amh]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Rolex is a brand where they don’t care if you like how they sell their watches and doesn’t need your business. This in turn just stimulates the desire to own “the brand that doesn’t need you” even more by the wealthy that seeks out such exclusivity. The enraged jealous downtrodden then sits in their social media corner wishing/hoping Rolex will get taken down by denouncing the brand and bad mouthing actual Rolex owners whenever they can for owning such a “over rated hype watch”.

The Rolex strategy is brilliant and every one is playing their respective parts on either side of the Rolex velvet ropes. Another good alternative strategy is there are other brands with filled display cases that will even give you a discount if want to feel like you are in control of the sale. You probably will get a nicer watch box and lots of high quality accessories and literature on the watch you just got a killer discount on.

Spot on

Makes me wonder why the OP didn't understand this especially with an inside perspective. Virtually every SA I've ever encountered is already wearing a Rolex so they don't have a chip on their shoulder.

[Calatrava r]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Rolex is a brand where they don’t care if you like how they sell their watches and doesn’t need your business. This in turn just stimulates the desire to own “the brand that doesn’t need you” even more by the wealthy that seeks out such exclusivity. The enraged jealous downtrodden then sits in their social media corner wishing/hoping Rolex will get taken down by denouncing the brand and bad mouthing actual Rolex owners whenever they can for owning such a “over rated hype watch”.

The Rolex strategy is brilliant and every one is playing their respective parts on either side of the Rolex velvet ropes. Another good alternative strategy is there are other brands with filled display cases that will even give you a discount if want to feel like you are in control of the sale. You probably will get a nicer watch box and lots of high quality accessories and literature on the watch you just got a killer discount on.

One of the best comments in this thread.

[brandrea]

Originally Posted by Devildog

But your entire post is about you. About you not being treated fairly. About you wanting AD's to sell ethically. About you getting mad if the ebay seller wants you to jump through hoops.

These are wholly unnecessary, irrelevant, luxury items. You would have a valid point about ethics if we were discussing the sale of basic essentials for human existence. Food, water, clothing, shelter, medication. But its not.

Your entire post reads with a sense of self entitlement, or complete lack of reality.

If you don't like the game, don't play. Its your choice.

You're not being treated unfairly. Ethics don't apply to luxury trinkets.

Wait … what about me?

[Devildog]

Originally Posted by brandrea

Wait … what about me?

[Oyster Lover]

I got my first Rolex as a gift when I graduated high school at 18, before many of you were even born. I bought my first Sub with my own hard-earned money a year or two later. Almost every tool watch I ever bought (and I bought maybe 10 over the years) I got a 20% discount on.

But I bought my last Rolex more than 15 years ago, when the brand decided to abandon the understated styling it had maintained for ages, and instead, started to "bling" its watches, enlarging cases, engraving rehauts, using weird colors, etc.

What all Rolex did to bling itself, it attracted a certain kind of new collector to the brand. That new collector is represented in a lot of the comments on this forum, and on this thread. You won't like my saying so, and you may dismiss it, but who cares: that doesn't mean it's not true.

So, continue to fawn over SAs, continue to grovel to ADs in order to buy your next watch, and continue to buy used watches at a 50% or 100% or 200% premium over MSRP, as you do. Continue being the mark, the patsy, whatever, I'll just nod my head in disbelief when you are taken advantage of, when you are forced to pay multiples of retail, when you wire money to someone who doesn't send you a used watch, when you buy a watch that has been tinkered with and you don't even know it, when you watch an endless loop of super-clone videos on youtube and worry that the watch you just bought might be one of them.

I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief. You think I want a Rolex, but you're not getting the point. I haven't bought a new Rolex watch in nearly two decades, and I don't intend to buy another one ever again. I wouldn't ever put another one on my wrist.

[nuwildcat928]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

I got my first Rolex as a gift when I graduated high school at 18, before many of you were even born. I bought my first Sub with my own hard-earned money a year or two later. Almost every tool watch I ever bought (and I bought maybe 10 over the years) I got a 20% discount on.

But I bought my last Rolex more than 15 years ago, when the brand decided to abandon the understated styling it had maintained for ages, and instead, started to "bling" its watches, enlarging cases, engraving rehauts, using weird colors, etc.

What all Rolex did to bling itself, it attracted a certain kind of new collector to the brand. That new collector is represented in a lot of the comments on this forum, and on this thread. You won't like my saying so, and you may dismiss it, but who cares: that doesn't mean it's not true.

So, continue to fawn over SAs, continue to grovel to ADs in order to buy your next watch, and continue to buy used watches at a 50% or 100% or 200% premium over MSRP, as you do. Continue being the mark, the patsy, whatever, I'll just nod my head in disbelief when you are taken advantage of, when you are forced to pay multiples of retail, when you wire money to someone who doesn't send you a used watch, when you buy a watch that has been tinkered with and you don't even know it, when you watch an endless loop of super-clone videos on youtube and worry that the watch you just bought might be one of them.

I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief. You think I want a Rolex, but you're not getting the point. I haven't bought a new Rolex watch in nearly two decades, and I don't intend to buy another one ever again. I wouldn't ever put another one on my wrist.

So why exactly are you here? To be a troll to the community?

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by nuwildcat928

So why exactly are you here? To be a troll to the community?

Hmmm... Did you even read my post? I literally told you why I come here, didn't I?

As I said in my last post: "I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief."

It has a certain level of entertainment...

I also try to talk some sense into you, but that's obviously a losing venture. Just like screaming into the wind.

[train-time]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

I got my first Rolex as a gift when I graduated high school at 18, before many of you were even born. I bought my first Sub with my own hard-earned money a year or two later. Almost every tool watch I ever bought (and I bought maybe 10 over the years) I got a 20% discount on.

But I bought my last Rolex more than 15 years ago, when the brand decided to abandon the understated styling it had maintained for ages, and instead, started to "bling" its watches, enlarging cases, engraving rehauts, using weird colors, etc.

What all Rolex did to bling itself, it attracted a certain kind of new collector to the brand. That new collector is represented in a lot of the comments on this forum, and on this thread. You won't like my saying so, and you may dismiss it, but who cares: that doesn't mean it's not true.

So, continue to fawn over SAs, continue to grovel to ADs in order to buy your next watch, and continue to buy used watches at a 50% or 100% or 200% premium over MSRP, as you do. Continue being the mark, the patsy, whatever, I'll just nod my head in disbelief when you are taken advantage of, when you are forced to pay multiples of retail, when you wire money to someone who doesn't send you a used watch, when you buy a watch that has been tinkered with and you don't even know it, when you watch an endless loop of super-clone videos on youtube and worry that the watch you just bought might be one of them.

I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief. You think I want a Rolex, but you're not getting the point. I haven't bought a new Rolex watch in nearly two decades, and I don't intend to buy another one ever again. I wouldn't ever put another one on my wrist.

I hear ya! Been there, done that..... 1993 to 2013; and I'm all done! I will admit, there is an entertainment factor associated with reading the "incomings" and all antics affiliated with "how do I get...." but the fun that once was very rewarding owning the brand is now gone for me.

Originally Posted by Mystro

Rolex is a brand where they don’t care if you like how they sell their watches and doesn’t need your business. This in turn just stimulates the desire to own “the brand that doesn’t need you” even more by the wealthy that seeks out such exclusivity. The enraged jealous downtrodden then sits in their social media corner wishing/hoping Rolex will get taken down by denouncing the brand and bad mouthing actual Rolex owners whenever they can for owning such a “over rated hype watch”.

The Rolex strategy is brilliant and everyone is playing their respective parts on either side of the Rolex velvet ropes. Another good alternative strategy is there are other brands with filled display cases that will even give you a discount if want to feel like you are in control of the sale. You probably will get a nicer watch box and lots of high quality accessories and literature on the watch you just got a killer discount on.

Mystro, your post is inspirational and right on point and I moved on to one piece this year, an Omega Seasmaster that I got brand new last year from my AD at 25% off. All my Rolex watches were sold this year and I'm done demeaning myself with all the crazy antics just to spend an insane amount of money on a mass-produced watch that every Tom, Dick, and Harry has on their wrist. WKRP stands for "Won't Keep Rolex Permanently" going forward and after 30 years I'm finished with the brand. The passion is gone and the "journey" is over!

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Hmmm... Did you even read my post? I literally told you why I come here, didn't I?

As I said in my last post: "I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief."

It has a certain level of entertainment...

I also try to talk some sense into you, but that's obviously a losing venture. Just like screaming into the wind.

Pretty sad existence if you ask me. I come here because I like discussing the watches and discussing them with others.
You dislike the watches (to the point where you say you’ll never put one on your wrist again) and the folks that wear them, but willingly spend some of your limited time on this planet on a collector forum.

And yet you think all the people here are pathetic…

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

I got my first Rolex as a gift when I graduated high school at 18, before many of you were even born. I bought my first Sub with my own hard-earned money a year or two later. Almost every tool watch I ever bought (and I bought maybe 10 over the years) I got a 20% discount on.

But I bought my last Rolex more than 15 years ago, when the brand decided to abandon the understated styling it had maintained for ages, and instead, started to "bling" its watches, enlarging cases, engraving rehauts, using weird colors, etc.

What all Rolex did to bling itself, it attracted a certain kind of new collector to the brand. That new collector is represented in a lot of the comments on this forum, and on this thread. You won't like my saying so, and you may dismiss it, but who cares: that doesn't mean it's not true.

So, continue to fawn over SAs, continue to grovel to ADs in order to buy your next watch, and continue to buy used watches at a 50% or 100% or 200% premium over MSRP, as you do. Continue being the mark, the patsy, whatever, I'll just nod my head in disbelief when you are taken advantage of, when you are forced to pay multiples of retail, when you wire money to someone who doesn't send you a used watch, when you buy a watch that has been tinkered with and you don't even know it, when you watch an endless loop of super-clone videos on youtube and worry that the watch you just bought might be one of them.

I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief. You think I want a Rolex, but you're not getting the point. I haven't bought a new Rolex watch in nearly two decades, and I don't intend to buy another one ever again. I wouldn't ever put another one on my wrist.

https://youtu.be/409Pjtq7jzY


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[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by bluestreak

Pretty sad existence if you ask me. I come here because I like discussing the watches and discussing them with others.
You dislike the watches (to the point where you say you’ll never put one on your wrist again) and the folks that wear them, but willingly spend some of your limited time on this planet on a collector forum.

And yet you think all the people here are pathetic…

No, I don't think people here are pathetic, but I do feel bad for some of them, especially when they are taken advantage of (much in the same way that I feel bad for people who get scammed by Nigerian Prince emails).

As others have suggested, at the end of the day, it's only Rolex, ADs, and flippers, who benefit financially. Those who buy into the myth are just wearing a blingy mass-produced watch that cost a mere fraction of its retail price to manufacture.

This exercise is showing me that perhaps I just shouldn't care about it as I do, and revert back to what I've done for years now, which is to say, come here once in a while to observe the lunacy for entertainment purposes.

[Catatafish]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Rolex is a brand where they don’t care if you like how they sell their watches and doesn’t need your business. This in turn just stimulates the desire to own “the brand that doesn’t need you” even more by the wealthy that seeks out such exclusivity. The enraged jealous downtrodden then sits in their social media corner wishing/hoping Rolex will get taken down by denouncing the brand and bad mouthing actual Rolex owners whenever they can for owning such a “over rated hype watch”.

The Rolex strategy is brilliant and every one is playing their respective parts on either side of the Rolex velvet ropes. Another good alternative strategy is there are other brands with filled display cases that will even give you a discount if want to feel like you are in control of the sale. You probably will get a nicer watch box and lots of high quality accessories and literature on the watch you just got a killer discount on.

I read this several times for the poetry alone, let alone the observation within. Well done and nicely written!

Although I agree with the observation, it's still aggravating as ****. In the meantime, as a watch lover, I can't imagine not having a Rolex or two in the stable and I can still get that "at market price", just not from an AD. Which is the exact same thing I'd do if they were plentiful.

Is the AD being slimey or unethical or immoral or illegal? Meh, who cares, that all depends on the premise you start with.

When we as consumers are shopping different dealers and pitting them against each other eeking out discounts when they were plentiful, were we the slimey unethical ones?

[bluestreak]

Originally Posted by Catatafish

I read this several times for the poetry alone, let alone the observation within. Well done and nicely written!

Although I agree with the observation, it's still aggravating as ****. In the meantime, as a watch lover, I can't imagine not having a Rolex or two in the stable and I can still get that "at market price", just not from an AD. Which is the exact same thing I'd do if they were plentiful.

Is the AD being slimey or unethical or immoral or illegal? Meh, who cares, that all depends on the premise you start with.

When we as consumers are shopping different dealers and pitting them against each other eeking out discounts when they were plentiful, were we the slimey unethical ones?

Yup. As soon as the situation reverses, folks will be calling multiple dealers, making lowball offers, trying to get accessories included for free, etc.

And I have zero problem with trying to keep as much of your money as you can. I just don’t have a problem when ADs, who are people too, try to do the same.

[wanethan]

Is this good read or bad read? either one thanks for sharing.

[nuwildcat928]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

Hmmm... Did you even read my post? I literally told you why I come here, didn't I?

As I said in my last post: "I just come here for the shits and giggles these days, and to see your "incoming" emails and to shake my head in disbelief."

It has a certain level of entertainment...

I also try to talk some sense into you, but that's obviously a losing venture. Just like screaming into the wind.

Right so… you’re a troll.

In not just watches, but life, there are haves and have nots. Based off the history you’ve provided and the rage you exhibit you’re a have not. Perhaps your time would be better spent figuring out how to be a have. I’m a have and highly recommend it. Or you can continue being a have not and use this forum to gleefully disparage others and hide your jealousy by talking down to others. Good luck.

[Oyster Lover]

Originally Posted by nuwildcat928

Right so… you’re a troll.

In not just watches, but life, there are haves and have nots. Based off the history you’ve provided and the rage you exhibit you’re a have not. Perhaps your time would be better spent figuring out how to be a have. I’m a have and highly recommend it. Or you can continue being a have not and use this forum to gleefully disparage others and hide your jealousy by talking down to others. Good luck.

You've lost the plot mate, seriously.... And you're obviously not a good reader of threads.... I'm not exhibiting rage. Rather, you are seeing exasperation.

And if you continue talking about how much you have, and saying others don't have, that just reflects horribly on you. You have no idea what I or others have and what I or others don't have. Really, just no idea at all. Thinking that I don't want to buy a Rolex because I don't have the money for it, is just way out there, especially in light of everything I've said about the subject.

[huncho]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

You've lost the plot mate, seriously.... And you're obviously not a good reader of threads.... I'm not exhibiting rage. Rather, you are seeing exasperation.

And if you continue talking about how much you have, and saying others don't have, that just reflects horribly on you. You have no idea what I or others have and what I or others don't have. Really, just no idea at all. Thinking that I don't want to buy a Rolex because I don't have the money for it, is just way out there, especially in light of everything I've said about the subject.

it's funny to see you taking the moral high ground now by saying people shouldn't judge you (or other people) but a few pages ago you said being a SA isn't a real job

[rockysw]

Originally Posted by Oyster Lover

I have respect for people who respect me. But the whole process of buying a watch these days is a process full of disrespect and degradation, in my opinion.

There's no respect for me if I'm required to put my name on waiting lists that go no where, if I'm never called back, if watches I'd like to buy go to others who suck face better than me, if I'm required to buy tons of other merchandise in what I think is borderline illegal "tying arrangements", etc.

My hot rage is not about not being to get the watch, it's about how I'm being treated.

Again, this is not about "being nice to a salesman"... You've got to be kidding if that's what you think, and you obviously haven't read this thread from top to bottom.

fully agree!

[nektar]

I am not confident the OP is a real person....