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13 August 2023, 07:17 PM | #31 | |
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I can only expect that the climate changes we are seeing will continue to make these events more frequent and destructive. We’re all trying to figure out what happened, what could have been done differently, and where we go in the future. I’m also confident that aloha will help everyone get through this terrible tragedy. |
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Did you read that from an autistic academic, curious.
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We talked about this before. If you think scientists are right about everything, then you know nothing about science. There are so many examples. But String Theory is one of the best. For more than 40 years, the smartest people on the planet (physicists with PhDs) kept telling everyone that String Theory will emerge as the theory of everything. Now we know it’s all BS. That’s just one example. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Lets have some respect for the people of Hawaii and not turn this thread into a left/right climate change debate.
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One group of scientists being wrong about String Theory doesn't mean that another group of scientists are wrong about Climate Change. It's a logical non-sequitur. Climate scientists have been making accurate predictions since the 1970s. And 97-99% of climate scientists are in a consensus. There's very few fringe cranks, but you get those in any profession. https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...20the%20future https://www.opr.ca.gov/facts/list-of...nizations.html What will it take for climate-deniers to accept the evidence? We've already had record temperatures, droughts, floods, landslides, and mega-wildfires all around the world this year. Is it going to be crop failures, or what? https://www.theguardian.com/environm...ication-expert |
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But surely practical action needs to be taken to try to prevent further future disasters like this one. We can't just sleepwalk into oblivion. Reducing it to a left-right thing is ridiculous. What do people in the centre think? |
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Further, the left-right thing completely breaks down when you look at what Margaret Thatcher had to say in 1989.
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“In a new paper published in the International Journal of Global Warming, Carnegie Mellon University’s David Rode and Paul Fischbeck argue that making such forecasts can be counterproductive. “Truly apocalyptic forecasts can only ever be observed in their failure—that is the world did not end as predicted,” says Rode, adjunct research faculty with the Carnegie Mellon Electricity Industry Center, “and observing a string of repeated apocalyptic forecast failures can undermine the public’s trust in the underlying science.” Rode and Fischbeck, professor of Social & Decision Sciences and Engineering & Public Policy, collected 79 predictions of climate-caused apocalypse going back to the first Earth Day in 1970. With the passage of time, many of these forecasts have since expired; the dates have come and gone uneventfully. In fact, 48 (61%) of the predictions have already expired as of the end of 2020. Fischbeck noted, “from a forecasting perspective, the ‘problem’ is not only that all of the expired forecasts were wrong, but also that so many of them never admitted to any uncertainty about the date. About 43% of the forecasts in our dataset made no mention of uncertainty.”” https://www.cmu.edu/epp/news/2021/th...forecasts.html https://www.aei.org/carpe-diem/18-sp...more-this-year https://www.agweb.com/opinion/doomsd...te-predictions https://www.netzerowatch.com/earth-d...ave-come-true/ |
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However.... There is near-unanimity among climate scientists. Maybe Rode and Fischbeck (neither of whom are climate scientists) should raise their concerns with them? |
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Oh, and BTW, a lot of the early predictions which didn't come true were based on nothing being done to avert disaster.
Global action was taken in 1987 when CFCs were banned, and this did avert immediate disaster. https://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-58248725 |
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Either way, please take your off-topic comments onto a thread of your own. This topic began with an honest wish that our TRF members and others were OK. You have a right to an opinion, but tripling down when others have asked nicely shows very poor consideration. You are able to start your own “climate change and the wildfires” topic if you wish. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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Lets not get this thread locked....
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While it's very tempting to say "screw 'em, why should I care, I want a Ferrari and a Range Rover", which seems to be the prevailing opinion here whenever there's a climate-related problem, there are some people here who care about their children's future. |
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Hopefully not. I also hope our Maui-based members can come to tell us they made it through the disaster. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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I hope not as well; this thread started with the intention of showing care and respect for all the people facing tragedy in Hawaii. Clearly the conversation has steered away from that, and it seems a “course correction” isn’t likely.
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The images coming from Hawaii are horrible. I’ve seen the challenges to rebuild after hurricanes here in Florida. I can’t imagine how difficult it will be on a small island. Getting enough tradespeople and materials to the area will be quite challenging. Prayers go out to all involved.
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It’s a terrible situation.
I have no idea if this is going on, but I know that the US Army has the 25th ID not far away in Schofield Barracks. The Navy also has assets in the area out of Pearl Harbor. I can’t think of anyone else that has the assets and people in that area necessary to coordinate a large relief effort. Hopefully the people impacted are getting the support that they need. |
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"A course correction is made when we ignore the one poster whose zealotry incapacitates his compassion"
I have nothing but compassion for the poor people in Hawaii, I am simply pointing out a very important driver for this catastrophe. We can hold more than one thought or idea in our heads simultaneously, I would hope: compassion AND a desire to prevent future disasters. |
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I have a niece living there. She had 4 minutes to grab what she could and flee. What she didn't take is gone, fortunately she's fine, and one of the few things she grabbed was her dog, both are fine.
She is a boat captain and works for a whale watch company. I think they lost all their boats, that business is dead... like so many others. |
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