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baseballduck · 11 November 2006, 02:03 AM

I have a few questions for you guys about Panerai. Some may possibly stupid, but hey I'm learning.

Anyway what is the difference between a Luminor Marina and a Luminor Base? Is one hand-wound and the other automatic or something? While I'm on that, I have a question about hand-wound movements. How often do they have to be wound, and do they keep time just as good as an auto? My other question is this. What is the most inexpensive watch that they make in the 44mm range with the crown guard. Nothing fancy, just with the sweeping seconds with a black dial on a strap. Last question I promise. What is the most inexpensive watch they make like stated before except with a titanium case, and are the titanium watches much lighter? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm just.

Thanks, Tyler

Launch Mini · 11 November 2006, 02:08 AM

THe Marina's have a second hand, the Bases have non. Just the hour & minute markers.
For hand wound ones, the Luminor line is generally around 2 days. From a stopped watch, it takes about 50 turns. Not full rotations, but 50 rolls of the thumb & finger.
I wind mine every morning about 22 times.
As afar as expensive, they make a white gold Luminor In house movement that would set you back about $25,000 +- Canadian ( if you can find one)
THe most inexpesive watch in Ti, would be the 176. Base Ti. Not positive on the price, but not really excessive. And it is significantly lighter.
Did a quick search, a LNIB 176 can go for $3,600 US
check out www.paneristi.com and go to the collectors section

11 November 2006, 02:11 AM

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Originally Posted by baseballduck

I have a few questions for you guys about Panerai. Some may possibly stupid, but hey I'm learning.

Anyway what is the difference between a Luminor Marina and a Luminor Base? Is one hand-wound and the other automatic or something? While I'm on that, I have a question about hand-wound movements. How often do they have to be wound, and do they keep time just as good as an auto? My other question is this. What is the most inexpensive watch that they make in the 44mm range with the crown guard. Nothing fancy, just with the sweeping seconds with a black dial on a strap. Sorry for all the questions, but I'm just.

Thanks, Tyler

Here we go:

1. The difference between a Luminor base and a Marina is that the Marina has the subdial-seconds counter. They both use the same Unitas-based handwound movement, but the Marina has the seconds counter complication.

2. The current Unitas-based movement runs at 21,000 bph, so slower than most auto movements and has a PR of about 56 hours. So you are winding it every other day give or take. They run within COSC regs, so very accurate and equally as accurate as any auto.

3. The least expensive Marina with a seconds counter is the PAM111. I cannot recall the list price in the US, but up here it is about CDN$5400 plus tax. It comes with a calf strap and a very nice rubber dive strap and a screw driver to re-re straps and buckle.

C.J. · 11 November 2006, 02:12 AM

Pam 0112 (Base)

Pam 0111 (Marina)

They're both hand wound movements with a 56 hour power reserve. And yes, they're just as accurate as an auto. The most inexpensive is probably the 112, it retails for about $3650 US and the 111 is about $3950. There are logo models too like the 0000 (same dial layout as the 112) and the 005 (same dial layout as the 111) that may be just a very little bit cheaper, but they have solid case backs and not see through like the 111 and 112

11 November 2006, 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by C.J.

They're both hand wound movements with a 56 hour power reserve. And yes, they're just as accurate as an auto. The most inexpensive is probably the 112, it retails for about $3650 US and the 111 is about $3950. There are logo models too like the 0000 (same dial layout as the 112) and the 005 (same dial layout as the 111) that may be just a very little bit cheaper, but they have solid case backs and not see through like the 111 and 112

Forgot about the 05Logo. It generally runs about $300 less than the 111, if memory serves. It is the least expensive Marina.

baseballduck · 11 November 2006, 02:14 AM

Woa, that was fast. Thanks a lot guys.

I need to start saving up.

Tyler

11 November 2006, 02:16 AM

Come to the darkside, Tyler. Buh-who-who-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaa!

C.J. · 11 November 2006, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

Forgot about the 05Logo. It generally runs about $300 less than the 111, if memory serves. It is the least expensive Marina.

Yeah, and hard as hell to get around here. Not that I have any interest in the brand or anything

11 November 2006, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by C.J.

Yeah, and hard as hell to get around here. Not that I have any interest in the brand or anything

And in case Tyler is wondering, the 05Logo has a painted dial, whereas the 111 has a sandwich dial, ie. the dial has cutouts revealing a luminous plate beneath, giving the dial a 3D effect.

BTW Craig... I know how much you hate the brand.

baseballduck · 11 November 2006, 02:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

Come to the darkside, Tyler. Buh-who-who-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaa!

Tyler wants to come to the dark side. Tyler is just broke and needs a job buh-waah-wah-wah-wah-wah.

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 03:35 AM

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Originally Posted by baseballduck

Tyler wants to come to the dark side. Tyler is just broke and needs a job buh-waah-wah-wah-wah-wah.

I thought Tyler was always striving for this one??!!!

11 November 2006, 03:44 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I thought Tyler was always striving for this one??!!!

He was young and misguided... but we fixed all that.

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

He was young and misguided... but we fixed all that.

You brainwashed an innocent little kid...you Commie bastid, you!!

baseballduck · 11 November 2006, 05:27 AM

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Originally Posted by JJ Irani

I thought Tyler was always striving for this one??!!!

Tyler is striving for that one for when and if Tyler graduates med school. Tyler is striving for the Pam anytime. Tyler is talking in third person and must be going crazy.

JJ Irani · 11 November 2006, 05:31 AM

11 November 2006, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by baseballduck

Tyler is striving for that one for when and if Tyler graduates med school. Tyler is striving for the Pam anytime. Tyler is talking in third person and must be going crazy.

Glad you pointed it out, cuz I was just about to.

amanda · 11 November 2006, 07:24 AM

hmmm as a new panerai expert is it fair to say that the 111 is a Chronometer with COSC papers, whilst the 112 isn't????

11 November 2006, 07:29 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda

hmmm as a new panerai expert is it fair to say that the 111 is a Chronometer with COSC papers, whilst the 112 isn't????

Yes, in order to certify with COSC, the movement must have a seconds counter, which the base does not have.

C.J. · 11 November 2006, 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by amanda

hmmm as a new panerai expert is it fair to say that the 111 is a Chronometer with COSC papers, whilst the 112 isn't????

The base isn't listed as C.O.S.C. certified

amanda · 11 November 2006, 08:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

Yes, in order to certify with COSC, the movement must have a seconds counter, which the base does not have.

Yes of course, otherwise you cant measure accuracy... DOH!!!!

dman · 11 November 2006, 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Atomic

Yes, in order to certify with COSC, the movement must have a seconds counter, which the base does not have.

Dave Knoll actually sent me a link showing where some watches without a seconds hand actually got COSC. They do it by marking the movement and tracking it. Remember, only the movement is tested, the watch is not even assembled.

dman · 11 November 2006, 03:34 PM

The Ti case is quite a bit lighter Tyler, but super comfy. The SS has some heft, but you want that with a watch of this size.

baseballduck · 11 November 2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dman

The Ti case is quite a bit lighter Tyler, but super comfy. The SS has some heft, but you want that with a watch of this size.

Thanks Daren.

11 November 2006, 02:03 AM	#1
baseballduck "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Tyler Location: Pinehurst NC Watch: Explorer 214270 Posts: 1,018	Questions about Panerai I have a few questions for you guys about Panerai. Some may possibly stupid, but hey I'm learning. Anyway what is the difference between a Luminor Marina and a Luminor Base? Is one hand-wound and the other automatic or something? While I'm on that, I have a question about hand-wound movements. How often do they have to be wound, and do they keep time just as good as an auto? My other question is this. What is the most inexpensive watch that they make in the 44mm range with the crown guard. Nothing fancy, just with the sweeping seconds with a black dial on a strap. Last question I promise. What is the most inexpensive watch they make like stated before except with a titanium case, and are the titanium watches much lighter? Sorry for all the questions, but I'm just. Thanks, Tyler __________________ Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet. Member #84

11 November 2006, 02:08 AM	#2
Launch Mini "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Real Name: John Location: Canada, eh Watch: can I? Posts: 6,240	THe Marina's have a second hand, the Bases have non. Just the hour & minute markers. For hand wound ones, the Luminor line is generally around 2 days. From a stopped watch, it takes about 50 turns. Not full rotations, but 50 rolls of the thumb & finger. I wind mine every morning about 22 times. As afar as expensive, they make a white gold Luminor In house movement that would set you back about $25,000 +- Canadian ( if you can find one) THe most inexpesive watch in Ti, would be the 176. Base Ti. Not positive on the price, but not really excessive. And it is significantly lighter. Did a quick search, a LNIB 176 can go for $3,600 US check out www.paneristi.com and go to the collectors section __________________ Something witty to go here. Member # 293

11 November 2006, 02:12 AM	#4
C.J. "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: * Posts: 10,196	Pam 0112 (Base) Pam 0111 (Marina) They're both hand wound movements with a 56 hour power reserve. And yes, they're just as accurate as an auto. The most inexpensive is probably the 112, it retails for about $3650 US and the 111 is about $3950. There are logo models too like the 0000 (same dial layout as the 112) and the 005 (same dial layout as the 111) that may be just a very little bit cheaper, but they have solid case backs and not see through like the 111 and 112 __________________ Me? I'm still looking for Kokomo. I just hope that damn golfer isn't there

11 November 2006, 02:14 AM	#6
baseballduck "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Tyler Location: Pinehurst NC Watch: Explorer 214270 Posts: 1,018	Woa, that was fast. Thanks a lot guys. I need to start saving up. Tyler __________________ Sedit qui timuit ne non succederet. Member #84

11 November 2006, 05:31 AM	#15
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	__________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

11 November 2006, 02:16 AM	#7
Atomic Guest Posts: n/a	Come to the darkside, Tyler. Buh-who-who-ha-ha-ha-haaaaaaaa!

11 November 2006, 07:24 AM	#17
amanda Banned Join Date: Aug 2006 Posts: 1,380	hmmm as a new panerai expert is it fair to say that the 111 is a Chronometer with COSC papers, whilst the 112 isn't????

11 November 2006, 03:34 PM	#22
dman Lifetime TRF Patron Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: Daren Location: Austin Watch: the road Posts: 13,585	The Ti case is quite a bit lighter Tyler, but super comfy. The SS has some heft, but you want that with a watch of this size. __________________ You either get it or you don't, if you have to ask, YOU DON'T!! I really hope that midget cop doesn't find me in Kokomo.

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