Sub- no date V series...

[calibre1]

Hi guys,*
I have just seen a brand new Sub-no date V series at the AD. I am aware it is a discontinued model. What would be the movement number in it and does it have the new parachrome blue hairspring? Many thanks!

[esm]

no, the Sub ND is still available - probably not for too long though. a few ADs in London has been getting them in the past few months.

i love it, especially the lug holes - classic, it does not have the new parachrome blue hairspring.

[al_bongo]

It's not a discontinued model. I think it's the3130 movement

[slevin kelevra]

Originally Posted by al_bongo

It's not a discontinued model. I think it's the3130 movement

I concur with Al.

Movement is normally described as the 3135 without the date.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by calibre1

Hi guys,*
I have just seen a brand new Sub-no date V series at the AD. I am aware it is a discontinued model. What would be the movement number in it and does it have the new parachrome blue hairspring? Many thanks!

Who or what told you its discontinued it was on display at Basel 2010 and in general Rolex don't display models at Basel if they are finished.The latest non-date subs will have the cal 3130,basically a 3135 without the date complication. But doubt if it will have the in-house parachrom hairspring but no big deal either way.

[ParisDakarBmw]

I remember a thread here saying the ND was done. I'm glad to know it will still be around

[padi56]

Originally Posted by ParisDakarBmw

I remember a thread here saying the ND was done. I'm glad to know it will still be around

I remember a thread when a member was told by a AD that V was the end of the 16610.

[calibre1]

Thank you guys for pointing it out to me that the no date sub will still be in production. That is good to know. Indeed it has the classic look with clean dial. I was under the impression that it will be discontinued in favour of the new ceramic bezeled subs. Looks like it is here to stay.

Now perhaps someone can explain the difference between movements 3130 vs 3185. I gather the difference between 3130 and 3135 is the absence of a date function in 3130. How is 3135 different from 3185? I am interested to know this.

I also thought that since it was a V series, it would be equipped with a parachrome blue hairspring.
Thanks for your replies!!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by calibre1

Thank you guys for pointing it out to me that the no date sub will still be in production. That is good to know. Indeed it has the classic look with clean dial. I was under the impression that it will be discontinued in favour of the new ceramic bezeled subs. Looks like it is here to stay.

Now perhaps someone can explain the difference between movements 3130 vs 3185. I gather the difference between 3130 and 3135 is the absence of a date function in 3130. How is 3135 different from 3185? I am interested to know this.

I also thought that since it was a V series, it would be equipped with a parachrome blue hairspring.
Thanks for your replies!!

The 3185 or 3186 are GMT movements you have a second time zone function with the third hand.Eventually as soon as Rolex gets self sufficient in there own escapement parts all the future line up with have the in-house hairspring.But on paper it shows a slightly better tolerance than the other Nivourax ones that have been used in all Rolex watches for the last 4 decades or so.But in the real world would doubt if the average wearer would notice any real benefit no matter what was in the case .All the current mens movements except the chronographs are based on the cal 3135 this movement has remained unchanged since 1988/9 except for now some have the in-house escapement parts.Many manufactures have been forced into making there own escapements parts and movements.Simply because ETA swatch will soon refuse to supply ebauche movements escapement parts to anyone outside the Swatch group.

[sakuraba]

Originally Posted by calibre1

How is 3135 different from 3185? I am interested to know this.

Aside from the 4th hand, the 3185/6 movements allow the date to move backwards, while the 3135 only moves forwards.

[calibre1]

Originally Posted by sakuraba

Aside from the 4th hand, the 3185/6 movements allow the date to move backwards, while the 3135 only moves forwards.

Thank you! You guys are really helpfull!!

[fc3s2k]

Isn't this forum the BEST!!!!

[Tools]

Congrats............ Now that you have an "Original" Sub, here's the stuff that you need to know..

It is a Sub.......... period, end of story...... it is not a Sub ND, or a Sub Non-date, or no date.......... It's a Sub.....

......... The other one is a Sub Date... you know... the one with the date

It uses the 3130 movement - which is a base movement. The others have stuff added, so it is not a "3135 without the date".... the 3135 is a 3130 with a date added...and so on.....

It is supposed to have lug holes.... that's the way real watches are made...

Anyway........... enjoy this classic....... It's the last of a rare breed...

[calibre1]

Originally Posted by padi56

The 3185 or 3186 are GMT movements you have a second time zone function with the third hand.Eventually as soon as Rolex gets self sufficient in there own escapement parts all the future line up with have the in-house hairspring.But on paper it shows a slightly better tolerance than the other Nivourax ones that have been used in all Rolex watches for the last 4 decades or so.But in the real world would doubt if the average wearer would notice any real benefit no matter what was in the case .All the current mens movements except the chronographs are based on the cal 3135 this movement has remained unchanged since 1988/9 except for now some have the in-house escapement parts.Many manufactures have been forced into making there own escapements parts and movements.Simply because ETA swatch will soon refuse to supply ebauche movements escapement parts to anyone outside the Swatch group.

Thanks for the info!

Originally Posted by Tools

Congrats............ Now that you have an "Original" Sub, here's the stuff that you need to know..

It is a Sub.......... period, end of story...... it is not a Sub ND, or a Sub Non-date, or no date.......... It's a Sub.....

......... The other one is a Sub Date... you know... the one with the date

It uses the 3130 movement - which is a base movement. The others have stuff added, so it is not a "3135 without the date".... the 3135 is a 3130 with a date added...and so on.....

It is supposed to have lug holes.... that's the way real watches are made...

Anyway........... enjoy this classic....... It's the last of a rare breed...

Thanks Tools, that really clears the air. I like your perspective of the movements. Just to clarify, I have not gotten the Sub yet. Just doing some research before pulling the trigger in the near future. (I have just gotten myself an Ex II early this month.) The Sub would likely be my next target. Thanks!!

[calibre1]

Hmmm... I have checked out the sales forum here and I can see there are really good deals available for pre-loved Subs. I will hold on my next purchase for now as I just got my EXii. I will enjoy it first. I will likely get my next timepiece from sellers in this forum in the future. I do hope they won't have reservations to sell it to me in Malaysia. I have purchased watches from TZ but none from here yet. I realized most sellers in TZ prefers US only deals especially for Rolex watches. Cheers!!

[IT-guy]

Originally Posted by Tools

Congrats............ Now that you have an "Original" Sub, here's the stuff that you need to know..

It is a Sub.......... period, end of story...... it is not a Sub ND, or a Sub Non-date, or no date.......... It's a Sub.....

......... The other one is a Sub Date... you know... the one with the date

It uses the 3130 movement - which is a base movement. The others have stuff added, so it is not a "3135 without the date".... the 3135 is a 3130 with a date added...and so on.....

It is supposed to have lug holes.... that's the way real watches are made...

Anyway........... enjoy this classic....... It's the last of a rare breed...

Good one!

[Dr. Robert]

Originally Posted by Tools

Congrats............ Now that you have an "Original" Sub, here's the stuff that you need to know..

It is a Sub.......... period, end of story...... it is not a Sub ND, or a Sub Non-date, or no date.......... It's a Sub.....

......... The other one is a Sub Date... you know... the one with the date

It uses the 3130 movement - which is a base movement. The others have stuff added, so it is not a "3135 without the date".... the 3135 is a 3130 with a date added...and so on.....

It is supposed to have lug holes.... that's the way real watches are made...

Anyway........... enjoy this classic....... It's the last of a rare breed...

My man!

[DRAWTOOL]

Larry, you need to guard against being too conservative, every so often you're gonna have to let go and say what you really feel.

[Ebruner]

Originally Posted by Tools

Congrats............ Now that you have an "Original" Sub, here's the stuff that you need to know..

It is a Sub.......... period, end of story...... it is not a Sub ND, or a Sub Non-date, or no date.......... It's a Sub.....

......... The other one is a Sub Date... you know... the one with the date

It uses the 3130 movement - which is a base movement. The others have stuff added, so it is not a "3135 without the date".... the 3135 is a 3130 with a date added...and so on.....

It is supposed to have lug holes.... that's the way real watches are made...

Anyway........... enjoy this classic....... It's the last of a rare breed...

This needed to be said.

Good for you Larry!!!

-Eddie

[Tools]

Originally Posted by DRAWTOOL

Larry, you need to guard against being too conservative, every so often you're gonna have to let go and say what you really feel.

I've always been a bit shy and soft spoken.........

[Dan2010]

Originally Posted by Tools

Congrats............ Now that you have an "Original" Sub, here's the stuff that you need to know..

It is a Sub.......... period, end of story...... it is not a Sub ND, or a Sub Non-date, or no date.......... It's a Sub.....

......... The other one is a Sub Date... you know... the one with the date

It uses the 3130 movement - which is a base movement. The others have stuff added, so it is not a "3135 without the date".... the 3135 is a 3130 with a date added...and so on.....

It is supposed to have lug holes.... that's the way real watches are made...

Anyway........... enjoy this classic....... It's the last of a rare breed...

Well I learned something today. I've been calling my 14060M a no date Sub when its JUST a Sub. Kinda like Madonna and all those other famous people that go by just one name. I love my Sub.

[calibre1]

Originally Posted by padi56

Who or what told you its discontinued it was on display at Basel 2010 and in general Rolex don't display models at Basel if they are finished.The latest non-date subs will have the cal 3130,basically a 3135 without the date complication. But doubt if it will have the in-house parachrom hairspring but no big deal either way.

I have checked the official Rolex website but I fail to find the Sub ( with no date). If it is in production, then why is it not in the website? I checked with an AD here and they tell me it is discontinued and is replaced by the Sub-C date. I note from this website that it is still in production. I am curious as what would the actual fact.

Any ADs here wish to give an input?

Regards!

[padi56]

Originally Posted by calibre1

I have checked the official Rolex website but I fail to find the Sub ( with no date). If it is in production, then why is it not in the website? I checked with an AD here and they tell me it is discontinued and is replaced by the Sub-C date. I note from this website that it is still in production. I am curious as what would the actual fact.

Any ADs here wish to give an input?

Regards!

Quite correct its a web site and not all the current Rolex models are shown. Back in the late 1990 early 2000 the explorer was not on the Rolex web site for months but the watch was still in production.Who knows what will happen at Basel 2011 but the 14060m was on show at Basel 2010.