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sailmed · 18 November 2010, 12:44 AM

Looking at this 1680.
309xxxx serial
Looks proper in all respects to me but serious questions about dial condition and its effect upon value (and therefore what I might pay)

Can I get some commentary on that?

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Thanks to all the cognoscenti !!!

PhilM · 18 November 2010, 01:21 AM

With reds it really is all about the dial, and this one has seen better days for sure, the plots look to be missing lume, lots of chips and also other discoloration - although that migth be the photo...

As for what I would personally pay, probably no more than about $4k max.

Yes the dial can be refinished, or you could try sourcing a red dial but to be honest if you were going to the latter then I would keep looking for an original one.

BTW What's the price the seller is asking?

FormerBuckeye · 18 November 2010, 01:21 AM

Definitely looks like it was a daily worn watch with the missing dot and wear on the bezel. Then there are the dial anomalies. I would pass on it if you want a collector piece. It would probably be an OK daily watch if there is a good service history and if you could buy it for an appropriate price.

(BTW I love looking at these pics on my iPad and being able to spread two fingers apart to zoom way in.)

Clay · 18 November 2010, 01:21 AM

I would pass........Regardless of price.....

sailmed · 18 November 2010, 01:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PhilM

With reds it really is all about the dial, and this one has seen better days for sure, the plots look to be missing lume, lots of chips and also other discoloration - although that migth be the photo...

As for what I would personally pay, probably no more than about $4k max.

Yes the dial can be refinished, or you could try sourcing a red dial but to be honest if you were going to the latter then I would keep looking for an original one.

BTW What's the price the seller is asking?

It is listed at almost twice your max valuation, and I feel as you do that the dial kills it.

Many thanks!

PhilM · 18 November 2010, 01:32 AM

$8k for that, then the seller is having a laugh....

mike · 18 November 2010, 01:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clay

I would pass........Regardless of price.....

As would I.

Submarino · 18 November 2010, 02:40 AM

I would pass. Dial way too chipped.

Puffy · 18 November 2010, 02:44 AM

if you want a beat up beater, then this is the watch for you

not for me

Frogman4me · 18 November 2010, 02:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by submarino

i would pass. Dial way too chipped.

+1

bb3188 · 18 November 2010, 06:25 PM

if you can handle the damage on the dial...go for it!
...... but there will be a fair chance that the damaged dial will get to you ......to which you can either refinish (which dents value) , go for a replacement red luminvova dial(which do not command the premiums of orginal red subs) or seek a period correct red dial (which can cost between 3-4K for a mint dial)........

HL65 · 18 November 2010, 09:23 PM

On a watch like this you are buying the dial and case and in this case the dial does not make the case!!

TheDude · 18 November 2010, 11:38 PM

Is that a massive dent in the crown???

18 November 2010, 12:44 AM	#1
sailmed "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Barry Location: Newtown Square Watch: Red Sub, 5513, FF Posts: 299	1680 Red Sub Dial Looking at this 1680. 309xxxx serial Looks proper in all respects to me but serious questions about dial condition and its effect upon value (and therefore what I might pay) Can I get some commentary on that? [IMG][/IMG] Thanks to all the cognoscenti !!!

18 November 2010, 02:40 AM	#8
Submarino "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Mr. H Location: Dallas Watch: them for me! Posts: 7,180	I would pass. Dial way too chipped. __________________ WATCHES ARE THE NEW CURRENCY!/ MEMBER 27491/OFFICIALLY DESIGNATED OLD TIMER /AP OWNERS CLUB MEMBER Instagram @watchcollectinglifestyle

18 November 2010, 02:44 AM	#9
Puffy "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Here and there Posts: 12,485	if you want a beat up beater, then this is the watch for you not for me __________________ Fine Quality is Long Remembered After the Pain of Spending Money is Forgotten

18 November 2010, 09:23 PM	#12
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,011	On a watch like this you are buying the dial and case and in this case the dial does not make the case!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

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18 November 2010, 01:21 AM	#2
PhilM "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: London Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 1,765	With reds it really is all about the dial, and this one has seen better days for sure, the plots look to be missing lume, lots of chips and also other discoloration - although that migth be the photo... As for what I would personally pay, probably no more than about $4k max. Yes the dial can be refinished, or you could try sourcing a red dial but to be honest if you were going to the latter then I would keep looking for an original one. BTW What's the price the seller is asking?

18 November 2010, 01:21 AM	#3
FormerBuckeye Member Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Michigan Posts: 29	Definitely looks like it was a daily worn watch with the missing dot and wear on the bezel. Then there are the dial anomalies. I would pass on it if you want a collector piece. It would probably be an OK daily watch if there is a good service history and if you could buy it for an appropriate price. (BTW I love looking at these pics on my iPad and being able to spread two fingers apart to zoom way in.)

18 November 2010, 01:21 AM	#4
Clay Banned Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Up a tree Posts: 4,001	I would pass........Regardless of price.....

18 November 2010, 01:32 AM	#6
PhilM "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: London Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 1,765	$8k for that, then the seller is having a laugh....

18 November 2010, 06:25 PM	#11
bb3188 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Real Name: Mark Location: Melbourne Aus Posts: 323	if you can handle the damage on the dial...go for it! ...... but there will be a fair chance that the damaged dial will get to you ......to which you can either refinish (which dents value) , go for a replacement red luminvova dial(which do not command the premiums of orginal red subs) or seek a period correct red dial (which can cost between 3-4K for a mint dial)........

18 November 2010, 11:38 PM	#13
TheDude "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: DC Area, USA Watch: IIc,1680 Red,16660 Posts: 4,492	Is that a massive dent in the crown???

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