Any roofers here? Water in house...

[theloxmyth]

Gutters...


or NO gutters...


Will heat tape (installed in the warm weather) solve water in the house because of this ice dam situation?

TIA.

(Any lock questions happily answered in return. )

[sleddog]

Is it daming back up under the shingles Craig??

[theloxmyth]

It may be, Rob.

Bro-in-law (union carpenter) shingled AND added ice guard under them this summer, but here we go with this crappie problem.

Looks like an insurance claim is around the corner, at the end of the season.

EDIT: Ouch...$500 out of pocket deductible.

[Kapture1]

Originally Posted by theloxmyth

It may be, Rob.

Bro-in-law (union carpenter) shingled AND added ice guard under them this summer, but here we go with this crappie problem.

Looks like an insurance claim is around the corner, at the end of the season.

EDIT: Ouch...$500 out of pocket deductible.

Yeah, there might be a problem, someone's loosing a bunch of heat.

[Kapture1]

Originally Posted by theloxmyth

It may be, Rob.

Bro-in-law (union carpenter)

EDIT: Ouch...$500 out of pocket deductible.

Depending on the company, also might be out of a loss free discount

[theloxmyth]

Originally Posted by Kapture1

Yeah, there might be a problem, someone's loosing a bunch of heat.

I noticed the roof vent (spinning turbine looking thing) is under snow, but I was forewarned to NOT go up on the roof by my wife!

EDIT: ALLSTATE?

[Andad]

I reckon it's time to pack up and move to Adelaide.

[rainman_16]

Do you know where the water is entering the house? Might be worth looking in the attic for signs of missing flashing in the roof valley, etc.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I reckon it's time to pack up and move to Adelaide.

Could also be daming into your soffit area craig and running into the walls from there!?!?!
You need to find out where it is entering before I can make any suggestions...Having gutters though is better than not!

[theloxmyth]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I reckon it's time to pack up and move to Adelaide.

You got room for two of us, mate?

Originally Posted by rainman_16

Do you know where the water is entering the house? Might be worth looking in the attic for signs of missing flashing in the roof valley, etc.

We know where is wet, but the attic not accessible to the leak area. It's too narrow up there.

New shingles with ice guard (rubber sheeting under shingles?) installed last summer, though.

[theloxmyth]

Originally Posted by sleddog

Could also be daming into your soffit area craig and runnig into the walls from there!?!?!
You need to find out where it is entering before I can make any suggestions...Having gutters though is better than not!

Yeah...gutters.

"THEY" removed them when "they" re-shingled, attempting to avoid this problem.

[sleddog]

Originally Posted by theloxmyth

Yeah...gutters.

"THEY" removed them when "they" re-shingled, attempting to avoid this problem.

So you had this problem before??
Is it wet only around your exterior walls??

[theloxmyth]

Originally Posted by sleddog

So you had this problem before??
Is it wet only around your exterior walls??

Yes, and B-I-Law sought to avoid this type of problem by removing the gutter on this side.

Didn't have water running down between the ext. T-111 and int. drywall, but had ice build up in the gutters as shown.

We thought ice guard would be the fix all.

Heat tape going up in the sunny months!

[dbarberic]

Ice dams are caused primarly by under insulated attics. Heat escaping throught the ceiling melts the bottom of snow on the roof causing water to run down the roof surface under the snow. If the tempature is right, the water freezes at the base causing a dam and icicles.

Heating cables and such only work to remove the symptoms and not the root cause.

I'd first check energystar.gov for recommended insulation amounts in the attic and then investigate how much you have in yours.

Attempt to remove the snow using a roof rake. The ice can be melted away using calcium chloride. Do not use rock salt, rock salt will stain the roof and siding.

Gutters make no difference with ice dams. They do not cause the dam, gutters simply become part of the frozen mess once the dam is formed.

You can easily see who has poor attic insulation in your neighborhood by looking for houses on the street with massive ice dams and icicles. Its usually older houses, but I've seen new McMansions with the same issue due to a builder cutting cost by using less than required attic insulation. Don't assume if you have a new house that you have enough insulation in your attic.

[figbo]

Originally Posted by directioneng

I reckon it's time to pack up and move to Adelaide.

I was thinking more like San Diego,Eddie!They need people with his skills over there!

[theloxmyth]

Originally Posted by dbarberic

Ice dams are caused primarly by under insulated attics. Heat escaping throught the ceiling melts the bottom of snow on the roof causing water to run down the roof surface under the snow. If the tempature is right, the water freezes at the base causing a dam and icicles.

Heating cables and such only work to remove the symptoms and not the root cause.

I'd first check energystar.gov for recommended insulation amounts in the attic and then investigate how much you have in yours.

Attempt to remove the snow using a roof rake. The ice can be melted away using calcium chloride. Do not use rock salt, rock salt will stain the roof and siding.

Gutters make no difference with ice dams. They do not cause the dam, gutters simply become part of the frozen mess once the dam is formed.

You can easily see who has poor attic insulation in your neighborhood by looking for houses on the street with massive ice dams and icicles. Its usually older houses, but I've seen new McMansions with the same issue due to a builder cutting cost by using less than required attic insulation. Don't assume if you have a new house that you have enough insulation in your attic.

Thanks for the quick lesson!

This is at our other house in the mountains and I know it has NO insulation, but is filled with stuff.

[AWS]

I agree with the above that you may be addressing the symptoms but not the cause.

Having a good thermal barrier or insulation is important. I would say R-49 level is needed in your area.

Equally important and often overlooked is the air barrier of the home. Any penetration between the conditioned space (living area) and the unconditioned space (attics, dormers) is an area for air to escape. Air will always move from high to low pressure or hot to cold. Air barrier issues can be from plumbing, electrical, duct and chimney penetrations. Recessed lighting, an attic hatch or attic fan are huge energy losses. Think of a stack effect in your attic. These all contribute to building durability issues such as ice dams.

Having a home energy audit can be very useful. Not a walk thru but one that uses a blower door fan and infrared camera. Most of the fixes are relatively simple and inexpensive.

[KirkWilfred]

Nothing to do with the shingles or ice/water shield. Caused by heat loss from your house. I imagine you have no HRV, vapor barrier, and inadequate insulation. Your roof condition is a postcard for these symptoms. Nothing abnormal here