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docmarioce · 25 May 2011, 10:15 AM

Yesterday I just picked up a preowned "M" series Sub Date 16610 in a local jewelry store in almost LNIB condition that is doing something rare. Let me explain myself...

When I adjusted the time of the watch (as I routinely do when I got a new watch) I checked that the minute hand is exactly in the center of the stick that correspond to the minute. Yesterday the watch was performing great with only +3 seconds in 24 hrs approx (I least I thought it was). Well... today I checked the watch at work and it was a whole minute ahead which really got me concerned. When I saw this I decided to wait and keep checking the watch in the following hour and... surprise... the watch started preforming the same as yesterday 2 to 3 seconds fast only.

After analizing the problem and a couple of hours more of observation I realized that when the minute hand is between the 30th to approx the 55 minutes the minute hand is situated right in front of the little stick that represents the minute or second. Otherwise, when the minute hand has passed the 55 minutes the minute hand starts like to run faster and between the 5-25 minutes the minute hand has passed to the other minute practically. Hope you all understood.

It looks like either the dial is wrong and not even or the axis when the minute hand spins is twisted inside. I can't say I don't have any other explanation for this behavior. Please let me know what you all think. Is this a normal behavior in some watches or should I take it back and get a refund????
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(You can check the attached picture that the second hand just passed the 12 and the minute hand is already half way from the 8th second/minute)

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Tools · 25 May 2011, 10:25 AM

It's just some painted marks on a brass disc..

ecsub44 · 25 May 2011, 12:02 PM

Not to make it "worse" but your pearl triangle doesn't line up with your 12:00 position perfectly.

Perhaps your dial is ever so SLIGHTLY misaligned...?

dannyt · 25 May 2011, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecsub44

Not to make it "worse" but your pearl triangle doesn't line up with your 12:00 position perfectly.

Perhaps your dial is ever so SLIGHTLY misaligned...?

Yeah I see a slight shift to the left but that just might be angle / lighting.

Abid · 25 May 2011, 12:40 PM

docmarioce · 25 May 2011, 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ecsub44

Not to make it "worse" but your pearl triangle doesn't line up with your 12:00 position perfectly.

Perhaps your dial is ever so SLIGHTLY misaligned...?

Good point. Although my previous sub and SD had a similar problem with the bezel and 12 position. In my gone GMT I fixed it when I changed bezels. I have had quite a few rolexes so far and never saw something like that. I might just forget about it and enjoy the watch though

docmarioce · 30 May 2011, 06:01 AM

Went back to the local store and switched the Sub Date for an "F33.." Series Sub Date 16610LV. It has the Mark 1 dial and the flat-4 on th bezel. I can say I am really loving it. Included a pic so you can admire her.

Best,

Nicko · 30 May 2011, 06:17 AM

Good deal! Love the LV.

Watch Professor · 30 May 2011, 06:34 AM

Excellent move. Congratulations.

East Bay Rider · 30 May 2011, 06:38 AM

Nice watch. I hope you enjoy it for a long time.

HL65 · 30 May 2011, 06:48 AM

Congrats on the LV!! Very nice!!

Chris B · 30 May 2011, 06:57 AM

Many congratulations

dligg72 · 30 May 2011, 07:14 AM

What's a flat 4 on the bezel?

Quote:

Originally Posted by docmarioce

Went back to the local store and switched the Sub Date for an "F33.." Series Sub Date 16610LV. It has the Mark 1 dial and the flat-4 on th bezel. I can say I am really loving it. Included a pic so you can admire her.

Best,

docmarioce · 30 May 2011, 08:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dligg72

What's a flat 4 on the bezel?

http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=154779

Thanks all for your replies.

Best,

travisb · 30 May 2011, 09:04 PM

The LV is sweet!

Good solution!!

chicagofan · 30 May 2011, 11:53 PM

Congrats.

25 May 2011, 10:15 AM	#1
docmarioce "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 476	How can you explain...???? Yesterday I just picked up a preowned "M" series Sub Date 16610 in a local jewelry store in almost LNIB condition that is doing something rare. Let me explain myself... When I adjusted the time of the watch (as I routinely do when I got a new watch) I checked that the minute hand is exactly in the center of the stick that correspond to the minute. Yesterday the watch was performing great with only +3 seconds in 24 hrs approx (I least I thought it was). Well... today I checked the watch at work and it was a whole minute ahead which really got me concerned. When I saw this I decided to wait and keep checking the watch in the following hour and... surprise... the watch started preforming the same as yesterday 2 to 3 seconds fast only. After analizing the problem and a couple of hours more of observation I realized that when the minute hand is between the 30th to approx the 55 minutes the minute hand is situated right in front of the little stick that represents the minute or second. Otherwise, when the minute hand has passed the 55 minutes the minute hand starts like to run faster and between the 5-25 minutes the minute hand has passed to the other minute practically. Hope you all understood. It looks like either the dial is wrong and not even or the axis when the minute hand spins is twisted inside. I can't say I don't have any other explanation for this behavior. Please let me know what you all think. Is this a normal behavior in some watches or should I take it back and get a refund???? .. (You can check the attached picture that the second hand just passed the 12 and the minute hand is already half way from the 8th second/minute) Best Attached Images __________________ ______________________________________________ Rolex Sub 16610. The Classic! Omega Seamaster Chrono

25 May 2011, 10:25 AM	#2
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,516	It's just some painted marks on a brass disc.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

25 May 2011, 12:02 PM	#3
ecsub44 "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: US Watch: Sub Posts: 3,175	Not to make it "worse" but your pearl triangle doesn't line up with your 12:00 position perfectly. Perhaps your dial is ever so SLIGHTLY misaligned...? __________________ *侘寂 -- wabi-sabi --* acceptance of transience and imperfection by finding beauty in that which is imperfect, impermanent, and incomplete Commissioner of WEIRD POLICE , Badge # ecsub44

30 May 2011, 06:01 AM	#7
docmarioce "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida Watch: 16610 Posts: 476	UPDATE!! Picture included Went back to the local store and switched the Sub Date for an "F33.." Series Sub Date 16610LV. It has the Mark 1 dial and the flat-4 on th bezel. I can say I am really loving it. Included a pic so you can admire her. Best, Attached Images __________________ ______________________________________________ Rolex Sub 16610. The Classic! Omega Seamaster Chrono

30 May 2011, 06:34 AM	#9
Watch Professor "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Real Name: Myron Location: New York Watch: GMT IIC; Sub Date Posts: 3,166	Excellent move. Congratulations. __________________

25 May 2011, 12:40 PM	#5
Abid "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: Las Vegas, NV Watch: 16610LV Posts: 466

30 May 2011, 06:17 AM	#8
Nicko Banned Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Not here anymore Posts: 4,787	Good deal! Love the LV.

30 May 2011, 06:38 AM	#10
East Bay Rider "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Real Name: Bill Location: East Bay RI Watch: GMT-II 16710LN Posts: 12,074	Nice watch. I hope you enjoy it for a long time. __________________ I bought a cheap watch from the crazy man Floating down canal It doesn't use numbers or moving hands It always just says "now" Now you may be thinking that I was had But this watch is never wrong And if I have trouble the warranty said Breathe In, Breathe Out, Move On J. Buffett Instagram: eastbayrider46

30 May 2011, 06:48 AM	#11
HL65 TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Ken Location: SW Florida Watch: One on my wrist. Posts: 64,011	Congrats on the LV!! Very nice!! __________________ *SPEM SUCCESSUS ALIT*

30 May 2011, 06:57 AM	#12
Chris B "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Peterborough Posts: 9,631	Many congratulations

30 May 2011, 09:04 PM	#15
travisb 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Real Name: Travis Location: FL / NYC Watch: Yes.. Posts: 33,500	Good move! The LV is sweet! Good solution!!

30 May 2011, 11:53 PM	#16
chicagofan "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2011 Real Name: Howard Location: Chicago Posts: 3,588	Congrats.

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