iPhone 4S or the 5

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Warning: biased Apple-hating drivel.
I predict this is the beginning of the end.

Apple laid an egg, pure and simple. Microsoft hit a home run with Mango, and Google has ICS riding in on the unending Borg-like onslaught of fast 4G phones. Apple has never had such a strong set of competitors to the iPhone so this meager update is quite a gamble.

Regardless of how sales are, you have to wonder why Apple couldn't deliver more. It has been more than a year since the 4 launched.

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The iPhone has been out for four years. Sales and margin growth continue not just to accelerate to but to grow at an increasing rate of acceleration.

At this point in the iPod's life, we were hearing that the latest versions were "disappointments" because they weren't 200% better than the previous models. We were told that PlaysFerSure was going to walk away with all of it, Microsoft had hit a home run. Or maybe it was the Zune that would be the music player home run. Not sure which. Anyway, the only thing geeks knew with certainty in 2005 was that Apple was going to lose the MP3 player market and probably lose their slim share of PC sales. That much was "certain".

Mango is a Microsoft product that will not be mandated by IT. How has ANY Microsoft product ever fared without IT forcing people to use it? We could look to the Xbox, but can MS really pour billions of subsidy into Mango after seeing that Xbox was never able to earn back the loses? And Jeff Bezos just sentenced ICS to living death. The Android OS that can dominate will remain the same one it has always been... "The next one". WebOS tried that trick for awhile, and never even recovered the cost of development.

I totally get that hatred can cloud judgement, but it would take more than an Orwellian "five minutes of rage" to push the historical record and the current data into the background!

Originally Posted by JPS

Personally, now they should just be selling the iPhone 4 and new 4S, not the 3GS still I'm afraid.

Yep, selling the 4 and 4S, giving away the 3Gs.

Can you imagine the joy at Sprint! The can FINALLY tear the first page out of the training manual:

Answer as follows: "No, we don't carry it, but we do have this and it's just as good". Then direct customer to most recently released smartphone with highest spiffs.

[daveathall]

It doesn't make sense for Apple to release a newly redesigned iPhone, most of the punters that bought the iPhone 4 will still have time on their two year contracts, those that have a 3GS will update to the 4S, those that have the 4 will wait till June 2012 and upgrade on a new contract to the iPhone 5.

The IP4S still has newer features that keep it still in the race with other manufacturers..

The iPhone 3 was redesigned after a two year stint, so why not the IP4?

JMHO.

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

Well my contract is up and I'm not convinced. I would like to replace my 3gs, and will. The better camera alone is compelling. Should I get the Samsung Galaxy S2? Cost is not a consideration, though I think they all cost about the same anyway.
What's the best of the best?
My wife has a Droid X. It's fine, but I don't love it. I'm not an Apple fan boy, but I am getting an iPad2 as a work expense. I don't really need everything to "talk", but it might be nice? I just want to use the ipad2 as a mobile office space and use it to organize articles, lectures, etc for teaching. The phone is just a bonus, for some on the run email, surfing, etc. I also use it as a camera for some random quick shots. I wish the 3gs camera was better, I would just keep it, but it's got to go.
Recs? Recs for something soon to drop? I've only really been following apple, and most of my colleagues are apple fan boys.

Since you're already getting an iPad - especially if it's one with 3G - to me there's not a strong case to stick with Apple for your phone. All the apps that run on the iPhone will also run on your iPad.

Personally for a phone I prefer something with a physical QWERTY keyboard . . . the touchscreen works well on the iPad, but to me it's a bit difficult to use on the much smaller iPhone screen.

[SLRdude]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Apple may be a great company, but this time they didn't deliver the goods.

The 3.5inch screen is not just yesterday's hardware it's two years ago hardware.

The Samsung Galaxy SII super amoled display is a quantum leap in quality over the iPhone 4 display. But this has been a known fact for years now.
.

I cannot say that I fully agree with you there.

The 3.5 inch screen cannot possibly be yesterday's hardware. It is simply a physical number. That's like saying 17 inch monitors are yesterday's technology because now you can by a 27 inch or whatever.
Different people like different sizes, that's all.

I have phones in every size that is currently being produced today, from the diminutive HP Veer 4G to the gargantuan Samsung at 4.5 inches and the humongous Windows running HTC Titan at a massive 4.7 inches.

Anything over 4 is simply too big for me. Hard to hold. Hard to operate with one hand. Nice for consumption of media but crappy for everything else.

Now on to the OLED.
IMHO, the Apple display is vastly superior to the Samsung AMOLED display.
Why? The iPhone still has the highest resolution and the most pixels per inch out of any phone in the world. I'd rather have resolution and clarity vs an AMOLED display that I do not care for.
Why don't I care for it?
First off, the contrast is way to high and they all have a blue hue to them. The contrast is nice when looking at your home screen or watching cartoons but photos of people and landscape just look wrong and CGI. The colours are off and there is way too much contrast. It looks like somebody has a permanent Photoshop Multiply Layer on top of the original photo at all times.

That's just me and my opinion though.

Here is what I am carrying those days.
The iPhone 4 is not in the pic.



Since it's a watch forum...

[STEELINOX]

Originally Posted by daveathall

It doesn't make sense for Apple to release a newly redesigned iPhone, most of the punters that bought the iPhone 4 will still have time on their two year contracts, those that have a 3GS will update to the 4S, those that have the 4 will wait till June 2012 and upgrade on a new contract to the iPhone 5.

The IP4S still has newer features that keep it still in the race with other manufacturers..

The iPhone 3 was redesigned after a two year stint, so why not the IP4?

JMHO.

Makes sense to me Dave....

[KirkWilfred]

My new assistances name is going be "Siri."

[dalip]

Originally Posted by daveathall

It doesn't make sense for Apple to release a newly redesigned iPhone, most of the punters that bought the iPhone 4 will still have time on their two year contracts, those that have a 3GS will update to the 4S, those that have the 4 will wait till June 2012 and upgrade on a new contract to the iPhone 5.

The IP4S still has newer features that keep it still in the race with other manufacturers..

The iPhone 3 was redesigned after a two year stint, so why not the IP4?

JMHO.

That makes sense Dave but with the increased competition the formula may no longer be relevant.
Or, the upgrades are good enough to probably keep the Apple faithful and the others will jump on the 5!

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by snowbird

Since you're already getting an iPad - especially if it's one with 3G - to me there's not a strong case to stick with Apple for your phone. All the apps that run on the iPhone will also run on your iPad.

Sounds like a strong case... ?

[kultschar]

But if you have Android and Apple and want apps on both then you have to buy apps twice!! (Unless you go for freebies only)

[JPS]

Wonder what will happen when you activate Siri and say "Call me a cab"

Will it come back at you and say "You're a cab!"

[snowbird]

Originally Posted by CashGap

Sounds like a strong case... ?

Well in my view anyway, since I can get everything I'd want on the iPhone on my iPad . . . and I prefer a phone with a physical keyboard as I find text messaging and email to be a frustrating exercise on the small iPhone touch screen. . . therefore I don't see a strong case to get an iPhone for someone who already has an iPad, especially an iPad with 3G.

Maybe a closer call for someone who doesn't already have an iPad, however Dr. Brian (in the post I was responding to) said he's getting a iPad.

[Welshwatchman]

I've got no dog in this fight, no apple shares nor am I a fanboy of the brand.

Pretty soon my mobile phone provider will need to be sending me a pressie to keep my business for another 24 months.

I don't mind if it's an Iphone 4 or a Galaxy S2.

Well perhaps the S2.

[rsg]

Originally Posted by JPS

Wonder what will happen when you activate Siri and say "Call me a cab"

Will it come back at you and say "You're a cab!"

My wife had an Acura MDX with voice activated navigation. One day I was trying to give the navigation system an address but it kept misunderstanding me. After the third time of the lovely female voice saying "please repeat" I said, "@#ck You".
The lovely female voice then replied "hotel or motel"? My wife and I almost died laughing.
True story.

[daveathall]

Originally Posted by JPS

Wonder what will happen when you activate Siri and say "Call me a cab"

Will it come back at you and say "You're a cab!"

Wonder if it can understand our Scots members.

[blackmsport]

it's now a legal ping pong game

http://www.theage.com.au/digital-lif...006-1laca.html

[desmo996]

Waiting for iPhone 5 and real 4G speeds...

-RIP Steve Jobs-

[Punjabusa]

http://gizmodo.com/5838847/steve-jobs-is-dead

[Naples09]

Originally Posted by Punjabusa

http://gizmodo.com/5838847/steve-jobs-is-dead

wow, very sad news.

[TheDude]

Originally Posted by CashGap

The iPhone has been out for four years. Sales and margin growth continue not just to accelerate to but to grow at an increasing rate of acceleration.

At this point in the iPod's life, we were hearing that the latest versions were "disappointments" because they weren't 200% better than the previous models. We were told that PlaysFerSure was going to walk away with all of it, Microsoft had hit a home run. Or maybe it was the Zune that would be the music player home run. Not sure which. Anyway, the only thing geeks knew with certainty in 2005 was that Apple was going to lose the MP3 player market and probably lose their slim share of PC sales. That much was "certain".

Mango is a Microsoft product that will not be mandated by IT. How has ANY Microsoft product ever fared without IT forcing people to use it? We could look to the Xbox, but can MS really pour billions of subsidy into Mango after seeing that Xbox was never able to earn back the loses? And Jeff Bezos just sentenced ICS to living death. The Android OS that can dominate will remain the same one it has always been... "The next one". WebOS tried that trick for awhile, and never even recovered the cost of development.

I totally get that hatred can cloud judgement, but it would take more than an Orwellian "five minutes of rage" to push the historical record and the current data into the background!

Feh. Think about RIM 7 or 8 years ago. Heck, even recently during the iPhone era people were saying RIM had all the revenue, margin, and market share. Things change and I don't think balance sheets and analyst sycophants paint the whole picture. Companies and markets fail precisely because executives and analysts don't always have all the answers even when armed with seemingly good data.

Good luck to Apple. They're going to need it.

[sherwin]

Alot of iOS5 "improvements" were actually taken from other apps

wifi sync - jailbroken app
imessage - resembles whatsapp by using data for "sms" with other iphone users
notification centre - lockinfo, another jailbroken app

it seems that apple is just jumping on the jailbroken bandwagon and blatantly copying the small time developers.

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by sherwin

Alot of iOS5 "improvements" were actually taken from other apps

wifi sync - jailbroken app
imessage - resembles whatsapp by using data for "sms" with other iphone users
notification centre - lockinfo, another jailbroken app

it seems that apple is just jumping on the jailbroken bandwagon and blatantly copying the small time developers.

And Siri is just a copy of Dragon Voice. And iCloud is just derivative of Xdrive. I think IBM had the faster processor idea with the PC AT, thats not original to iPhone. Milk has been available in white for millennia.

Anything else, WebOS probably had it first.

[CashGap]

Originally Posted by TheDude

Feh. Think about RIM 7 or 8 years ago. Heck, even recently during the iPhone era people were saying RIM had all the revenue, margin, and market share. Things change and I don't think balance sheets and analyst sycophants paint the whole picture. Companies and markets fail precisely because executives and analysts don't always have all the answers even when armed with seemingly good data.

Good luck to Apple. They're going to need it.

We'll see! The IT priesthood has a white-hot hatred/fear of Apple for pulling back the curtain. But those folks get thinner every day...

RIM was always transparently a one-trick pony. Folks bet on the stock because they thought phones would always be shoved at you by a geek who derisively sneered "Deal with it". That's how desktop PCs are still distributed, why would phones be any different?

I think if they'd been able to follow up on the super-pager and revolutionize pcs, portables, the music industry, retail store sales, online media distribution, OS software, etc, they might be a good comparison to AAPL.

[Lol-x]

I have and use every day a Mac Mini, Macbook, Macbook Air and an iPad2. So as you can see I am a pretty big mac fan, and I wouldn't be if they didn't deliver the goods. I love their stuff.

However on this occasion there does seem to be widespread media consensus that Apple did not live up to expectations in circumstances where one would have expected under current technological developments an iPhone 5 with 4g and other leading features would have been announced.

[dalip]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

I have and use every day a Mac Mini, Macbook, Macbook Air and an iPad2. So as you can see I am a pretty big mac fan, and I wouldn't be if they didn't deliver the goods. I love their stuff.

However on this occasion there does seem to be widespread media consensus that Apple did not live up to expectations in circumstances where one would have expected under current technological developments an iPhone 5 with 4g and other leading features would have been announced.

I'm still p***ed at you for getting the backlit KB on the Macbook Air

I agree - I too have all this stuff and was very disappointed with this latest iPhone releases. Bittersweet for me though. If it has been an outstanding iPhone 5 update I would have regretted the Samsung move I recently made

[Lol-x]

I always had the backlit keyboard on the MacBook Air, its just that I moved from the first generation to the third generation (thanks to my sister buying my first generation off me).
I can't be held responsible if you happened to buy the second generation Air which unfortunately didn't have the backlit keyboard.
There is still time for you to buy the third generation Air which has an i7 processor 1.8ghz

[sleddog]

Well, I'm going to go out on limb here, as no-one seems to be so bold!

Right now, all the general public is hearing (via tech sites and media), is Apple has done to little or not enough.
I think most, are just jumping on the wagon here without having a hands on experience or the effort to wait for it's release and see in real time.

I understand most were looking for more, but really, how much more do you need?!?!

Now I'm not tech junkie, but when I see improvements, I see a better product. We can all debate Apple has been slow on this meager release, but you can also bet Apple has an ace just around the corner.

In the end, there's always going to be lovers and haters of any brand, but don't always believe what you hear and read in the media. Always take heed of what's physical and in front of you.

[Lol-x]

My typical Mac day:
1. Wake up and check out the news on iPad2.
2. In the office - Mac Mini.
3. Coffee and Fruit Toast at cafe - Macbook (black limited edition so I look cool )
4. Back in the office - Mac Mini
5. Home after dinner - Macbook Air
6. In bed to get to sleep - iPad2

[Dr.Brian]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

My typical Mac day:
1. Wake up and check out the news on iPad2.
2. In the office - Mac Mini.
3. Coffee and Fruit Toast at cafe - Macbook (black limited edition so I look cool )
4. Back in the office - Mac Mini
5. Home after dinner - Macbook Air
6. In bed to get to sleep - iPad2

What? No iPhone?

[Lol-x]

Originally Posted by Dr.Brian

What? No iPhone?

Correct, my Android Samsung Galaxy SII has all the same applications I have on my ipad2 and I love my Samsung because I can synchronise the time with both the GPS satellites and via the internet (something still not possible with the iPhone ).

[dsio]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

Correct, my Android Samsung Galaxy SII has all the same applications I have on my ipad2 and I love my Samsung because I can synchronise the time with both the GPS satellites and via the internet (something still not possible with the iPhone ).

Maybe you should buy a watch mate

Strange that you mention that though, my 3GS is currently 12 minutes fast, which pisses me off since it wakes me up 12 minutes earlier in the mornings, because my watches are all within about +1-2 and can be adjusted to 0 positionally they're dead on, the iPhone is always wrong.