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zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 01:26 AM

Hi, im new here and this is my initial post.
I`m looking at buying a GMT master 2 ceramic model 116710LN in the UK.
The pictures of the watch seem genuine and the questions that i have asked the seller all add up. How can i definately garauntee authenticity and the seller has told me that he will meet me at any watch dealers to verify it.
Could i have some help regarding what verification i can establish, what will a jewellers tell me and he has said that he will get the back opened at a dealers. Will this invalidate any warranty and break any waterproof seals.
Any help regarding who i should speak with or who i can contact to establish authenticity would be very helpfull.
What and where are the hallmarks on this particular model?
Thanks.

azguy · 23 January 2012, 01:30 AM

First, buy the seller, ask for some references and call them if he is a dealer.

If it's a private party transaction, call some watch shops and tell them what the situation is and you would be happy to pay them to fully check out the watch and provide an written appraisal

Good luck and since this is your first, do not cut any corners

dddrees · 23 January 2012, 01:31 AM

Welcome to TRF.

Rule #1 Buy the seller.

Call an AD near you and see if you can schedule an appointment for them to perform this service. Keep in mind they don't have to perform this service since you are not buying from them, however if they do they may charge you for this service.

If you are this concerned that this may not be authenic you may want to buy from someone you can trust such as an AD.

The other option would be to buy from a trusted seller on this forum.

Buy the Seller.

zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 01:56 AM

I'm so paranoid with this one. The seller seems ok and the pictures of the watch seem ok. Is there a service that Rolex give over the phone as well as in store to authenticate? How much am I likely to be charged for such a service?
Having once been the owner of a brand new seadweller I know the pitfalls when searching for a watch.
HELP ;-)

Johny · 23 January 2012, 02:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zx9rcraig

I'm so paranoid with this one. The seller seems ok and the pictures of the watch seem ok. Is there a service that Rolex give over the phone as well as in store to authenticate? How much am I likely to be charged for such a service?
Having once been the owner of a brand new seadweller I know the pitfalls when searching for a watch.
HELP ;-)

seller ids.(more than one) proof of ownership. meet at ad. have watch inspected at ad. is seller the original owner? is the watch a uk watch?

padi56 · 23 January 2012, 02:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zx9rcraig

I'm so paranoid with this one. The seller seems ok and the pictures of the watch seem ok. Is there a service that Rolex give over the phone as well as in store to authenticate? How much am I likely to be charged for such a service?
Having once been the owner of a brand new seadweller I know the pitfalls when searching for a watch.
HELP ;-)

There is no service to authenticate over the phone and as the seller has agreed to meet you at a AD,I would not think the watch was anything but genuine. Perhaps you are being a bit paranoid,but the only real way is getting back off to check movement.Now most watchmakes with the correct case back tool could do this, and again most could pressure check to 200m -300m after and you cannot mistake a genuine Rolex movement.

swish77 · 23 January 2012, 02:12 AM

Demand an inspection period on the watch, and during that time just take it to an RSC. They'll tell you immediately if it's real or not. You can simply ask them whether the watch needs a service and they'll check it out. The one drawback is that if it's a stolen watch, I've heard they will confiscate it. (Also, this assumes you're able to get to an RSC.) Good luck.

RRGHOST1 · 23 January 2012, 02:13 AM

Can you tell us who you are buying it from,i take it it is from the UK,we might know of him here or from another forum ?

zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 02:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by swish77

Demand an inspection period on the watch, and during that time just take it to an RSC. They'll tell you immediately if it's real or not. You can simply ask them whether the watch needs a service and they'll check it out. The one drawback is that if it's a stolen watch, I've heard they will confiscate it. (Also, this assumes you're able to get to an RSC.) Good luck.

Yes the idea it's stolen or an insurance job is off putting to say the least.
I need to contact rolexroz as one forum member kindly advised. Can anyone pm me some contact details?
Cheers to you all for the pro advice.

zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexplorer2

Can you tell us who you are buying it from,i take it it is from the UK,we might know of him here or from another forum ?

I won't personally name the guy as I only know his first name. He's a buyer of pre owned watches and sounds quite young. He's based in Chesham.

padi56 · 23 January 2012, 02:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zx9rcraig

Yes the idea it's stolen or an insurance job is off putting to say the least.
I need to contact rolexroz as one forum member kindly advised. Can anyone pm me some contact details?
Cheers to you all for the pro advice.

Are you saying the watch is from one of our trusted sellers or someone told you about rolexroz you can contact him via a PM via forum.

RRGHOST1 · 23 January 2012, 02:35 AM

PM sent.

general · 23 January 2012, 02:35 AM

Meet the seller at an AD, and have them inspect it for you. There is no phone verification system. Cheers

Higham5 · 23 January 2012, 02:38 AM

Hi welcome fellow biker (kawasaki?) just my take on this. I looked for pre owned in the uk , i shunned ebay and just visited watch shops. I only have two ad in my area and they didnt have a sub i wanted. Sure other shops had them but i was always uneasy. I went down the new route and am happy.
Since following the traffic on this site if i was to upgrade or make a further purchase i would probably go down the trusted seller route.
Its easy to say buy the seller, but ordinarily thats hard. On trf its easier because you can see all all the comments for the sellers. This makes the research so much easier.

In summary its your choice , yep you could save a proportion on the watch, but what price the nagging doubt that when you put it in for a service or some wis says to you " those lugs are wrong" the money savings will be long forgotton.

RRGHOST1 · 23 January 2012, 02:44 AM

Looked up the seller,and is 100% genuine,get in touch with me and i will relate all the goodguy posts.i wouldnt even go to an AD.

zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 02:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rolexplorer2

Looked up the seller,and is 100% genuine,get in touch with me and i will relate all the goodguy posts.i wouldnt even go to an AD.

Is that re the guy I just pm you about in south England?

zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Higham5

Hi welcome fellow biker (kawasaki?) just my take on this. I looked for pre owned in the uk , i shunned ebay and just visited watch shops. I only have two ad in my area and they didnt have a sub i wanted. Sure other shops had them but i was always uneasy. I went down the new route and am happy.
Since following the traffic on this site if i was to upgrade or make a further purchase i would probably go down the trusted seller route.
Its easy to say buy the seller, but ordinarily thats hard. On trf its easier because you can see all all the comments for the sellers. This makes the research so much easier.

In summary its your choice , yep you could save a proportion on the watch, but what price the nagging doubt that when you put it in for a service or some wis says to you " those lugs are wrong" the money savings will be long forgotton.

Zx9r gave the game away eh ;-)

azguy · 23 January 2012, 04:02 AM

You say the "seller seems Ok".....what the heck does that mean

He should be working as hard as you to dispel any fears you may have

f16570 · 23 January 2012, 04:08 AM

Just buy a new one from an AD and relax in the knowledge that it is genuine.
Why go through all this heartache to save a couple of quid?

Speed · 23 January 2012, 04:15 AM

Sounds like you may need to do more research about watches, the non-AD buying process etc. you may not be ready.

Otherwise, as was suggested...pay full price at an AD and dont worry about authenticity.

zx9rcraig · 23 January 2012, 04:31 AM

Cheers all. It's on the back burner.
Thanks to u all. Not rushing now.

Lion · 23 January 2012, 04:56 AM

Always prudent to take your time and do your research and homework that way when you do decide to buy everything will be right!!!

imono · 23 January 2012, 04:57 AM

Buy from AD and you won't loose sleep over it.

23 January 2012, 01:31 AM	#3
dddrees "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2010 Real Name: Dan Location: USA Watch: This N That Posts: 34,253	Welcome to TRF. Rule #1 Buy the seller. Call an AD near you and see if you can schedule an appointment for them to perform this service. Keep in mind they don't have to perform this service since you are not buying from them, however if they do they may charge you for this service. If you are this concerned that this may not be authenic you may want to buy from someone you can trust such as an AD. The other option would be to buy from a trusted seller on this forum. Buy the Seller. __________________ When it captures your imagination, that's when you know you have found your passion. Loyal Foot Soldier of The Nylon Nation. Card Carrying Member of the Global Association of Retro-Grouch-Curmudgeons

23 January 2012, 04:08 AM	#19
f16570 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Real Name: F Location: Scotland Watch: Exp II White Face Posts: 4,272	Just buy a new one from an AD and relax in the knowledge that it is genuine. Why go through all this heartache to save a couple of quid? __________________ Why have what's new when you have what's best. f

23 January 2012, 04:56 AM	#22
Lion "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Leo Location: Midwest Watch: GMT-II 16710 PEPSI Posts: 21,461	Always prudent to take your time and do your research and homework that way when you do decide to buy everything will be right!!! __________________ SS GMT-II 16710 PEPSI(Z-serial#) THE ONLY DIFFERENCE BETWEEN MEN AND BOYS IS THE PRICE OF THE TOYS!!! MontBlanc Meisterstuck Doue Silver Barley MontBlanc Meisterstuck Solitaire Doue Signum Proud Card Carrying Member of the Curmudgeons.....Yikes!!!

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23 January 2012, 01:26 AM	#1
zx9rcraig "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Posts: 11	How can i 100% authenticate a pre owned GMT ceramic? UK Hi, im new here and this is my initial post. I`m looking at buying a GMT master 2 ceramic model 116710LN in the UK. The pictures of the watch seem genuine and the questions that i have asked the seller all add up. How can i definately garauntee authenticity and the seller has told me that he will meet me at any watch dealers to verify it. Could i have some help regarding what verification i can establish, what will a jewellers tell me and he has said that he will get the back opened at a dealers. Will this invalidate any warranty and break any waterproof seals. Any help regarding who i should speak with or who i can contact to establish authenticity would be very helpfull. What and where are the hallmarks on this particular model? Thanks.

23 January 2012, 01:30 AM	#2
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	First, buy the seller, ask for some references and call them if he is a dealer. If it's a private party transaction, call some watch shops and tell them what the situation is and you would be happy to pay them to fully check out the watch and provide an written appraisal Good luck and since this is your first, do not cut any corners

23 January 2012, 01:56 AM	#4
zx9rcraig "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Posts: 11	I'm so paranoid with this one. The seller seems ok and the pictures of the watch seem ok. Is there a service that Rolex give over the phone as well as in store to authenticate? How much am I likely to be charged for such a service? Having once been the owner of a brand new seadweller I know the pitfalls when searching for a watch. HELP ;-)

23 January 2012, 02:12 AM	#7
swish77 2024 Pledge Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Aaron Location: CT/NYC Watch: ing the time! Posts: 7,001	Demand an inspection period on the watch, and during that time just take it to an RSC. They'll tell you immediately if it's real or not. You can simply ask them whether the watch needs a service and they'll check it out. The one drawback is that if it's a stolen watch, I've heard they will confiscate it. (Also, this assumes you're able to get to an RSC.) Good luck.

23 January 2012, 02:13 AM	#8
RRGHOST1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: luke standing Location: england Watch: Rolex TT SubC Blue Posts: 3,997	Can you tell us who you are buying it from,i take it it is from the UK,we might know of him here or from another forum ?

23 January 2012, 02:35 AM	#12
RRGHOST1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: luke standing Location: england Watch: Rolex TT SubC Blue Posts: 3,997	PM sent.

23 January 2012, 02:35 AM	#13
general "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Earth Posts: 723	Meet the seller at an AD, and have them inspect it for you. There is no phone verification system. Cheers

23 January 2012, 02:38 AM	#14
Higham5 Member Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Lancashire Watch: 14060m Posts: 100	Hi welcome fellow biker (kawasaki?) just my take on this. I looked for pre owned in the uk , i shunned ebay and just visited watch shops. I only have two ad in my area and they didnt have a sub i wanted. Sure other shops had them but i was always uneasy. I went down the new route and am happy. Since following the traffic on this site if i was to upgrade or make a further purchase i would probably go down the trusted seller route. Its easy to say buy the seller, but ordinarily thats hard. On trf its easier because you can see all all the comments for the sellers. This makes the research so much easier. In summary its your choice , yep you could save a proportion on the watch, but what price the nagging doubt that when you put it in for a service or some wis says to you " those lugs are wrong" the money savings will be long forgotton.

23 January 2012, 02:44 AM	#15
RRGHOST1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Real Name: luke standing Location: england Watch: Rolex TT SubC Blue Posts: 3,997	Looked up the seller,and is 100% genuine,get in touch with me and i will relate all the goodguy posts.i wouldnt even go to an AD.

23 January 2012, 04:02 AM	#18
azguy Banned Join Date: Sep 2011 Real Name: ------- Location: ------- Watch: --------- Posts: 12,609	You say the "seller seems Ok".....what the heck does that mean He should be working as hard as you to dispel any fears you may have

23 January 2012, 04:15 AM	#20
Speed "TRF" Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: USA Posts: 19,706	Sounds like you may need to do more research about watches, the non-AD buying process etc. you may not be ready. Otherwise, as was suggested...pay full price at an AD and dont worry about authenticity.

23 January 2012, 04:31 AM	#21
zx9rcraig "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: UK Posts: 11	Cheers all. It's on the back burner. Thanks to u all. Not rushing now.

23 January 2012, 04:57 AM	#23
imono "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: USA Posts: 3,241	Buy from AD and you won't loose sleep over it.

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