Please help me with this problem i'm having and tell me if I handled it the right way

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by bayerische

Good for you this didn't go trough, as someone lying that much with your feedback (even if he's angry) could have pulled a Damien on you.

Anyway, I'm no expert on Ebay, but can the seller really make up his own auction "rules"?

Isn't ebay rules the rules to follow? Can you really decide US members OK to pay with paypal oversea buyers must wire? IMHO if the auction says PAYPAL, then I wouldn't be happy to accept wire. I have seen this type of auctions on ebay many times, and I always pass on them. I don't sell on ebay, I only buy, and I would never send a wire. Only paypal. It's a double edged sword for sure.

Ebay isn't a good place to do high-ticket business. Period.

Yes you can set your own selling conditions on e-bay but unfortunately the OP didn't and set himself up for this inconvinience.

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by MonBK

Yes you can set your own selling conditions on e-bay but unfortunately the OP didn't and set himself up for this inconvinience.

I was probably a bit cloudy there.

I meant if you put Paypal as a payment option when you make the auction (I've sold one item on ebay) can you really "deny" it in the text area meant to describe the item you are selling?

Shouldn't paypal be left out altogether if you don't accept it? Wouldn't it also be better to put in shipping options "only ships to USA"?

Seems to me as this type of auctions are an accident waiting to happen.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by bayerische

I was probably a bit cloudy there.

I meant if you put Paypal as a payment option when you make the auction (I've sold one item on ebay) can you really "deny" it in the text area meant to describe the item you are selling?

Shouldn't paypal be left out altogether if you don't accept it. Wouldn't it also be better to put in shipping options "only ships to USA"?

Seems to me as this type of auctions are an accident waiting to happen.

I have over 1,000 feedbacks on e-bay and have had this happen numerous times as the buyers only reads what they want to.

When it happens you report to e-bay and move on, it's the cost of doing business and nothing to whine about.

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by MonBK

I have over 1,000 feedbacks on e-bay and have had this happen numerous times as the buyers only reads what they want to.

When it happens you report to e-bay and move on, it's the cost of doing business and nothing to whine about.

OK, as I said. I don't know much of ebay.

[MonBK]

Originally Posted by bayerische

OK, as I said. I don't know much of ebay.

You want to hear something funny Andreas?

I've sold items from $1 to $96,000 on e-bay and found that the cheaper the item you're selling is the more demanding the buyer is, much like in real life.

[bayerische]

Originally Posted by MonBK

You want to hear something funny Andreas?

I've sold items from $1 to $96,000 on e-bay and found that the cheaper the item you're selling is the more demanding the buyer is, much like in real life.

True.

[MoBe]

Looks like when it comes to eBay it`s,,,,,,,,SELLER BEWARE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[millmax]

Agree with Bayerische, e bay has gone way to far down the hill lately

[LeotheLion]

More and more it is becoming obvious that anyone selling or auctioning on e-bay must take all precautions to protect themselves.At the original listing stage you can state whom and where you will not sell to.Although e-bay will add that paypal is an option in the listing you can say that in this instance it is not and you will not accept this form of payment and then tell bidders/buyers what payment methods you will accept.You can also say which bidders and buyers can bid .(low or no feedback).These are the sellers terms not ebays and any deviatian from these then the bid or offer to buy is void.

[blue lion]

You handled it fine. I hate as a seller when the buyers don't follow the guidelines listed in the auction.

[scocope]

If the buyer was honest, would he not work with the seller to assauge both of their fears? To immediately start trying to get the transaction completed in a way that leads the seller to be fearful of fraud would be, to me, a sign a "Ietto" is about to take place.

[77T]

To the OP:
Sorry for the 3rd bad deal in recent history - I had a long good experience with eBay buying/selling race cars, trailers and tow vehicles. But I spent many hours vetting my bidders, cancelling sketchy ones and talking with borderline buyers. All 100% positive since 2005, but that's because of good background work.

I had one bad Rolex sale early in my watch buying/selling experience on eBay. Learned to simply block all International bidders after that and cancelled any sale that appeared sketchy. Once you reply to his feedback that the sale was cancelled and full refund given then you can have eBay remove his feedback as false.

It takes a lot of time selling on eBay and I suggest only offer deals here on TRF if you want to be safer.

[alexthegreat123]

What's his EBay ID? I'm going to block him

[77T]

Originally Posted by millmax

Agree with Bayerische, e bay has gone way to far down the hill lately

I think the quality of eBay members has gone down and that drags the whole of eBay down. That is why I value TRF where the mods don't tolerate anything close to scamming.

eBay could learn a lot by pruning the scammers like the mods her do.

[meloncap78]

Save all of your message logs and send him the watch with the paypal payment. If you get scammed (which probably will not happen) paypal will HAVE to make good on it with the record of your conversation going the way that it did.

[masterserg]

Originally Posted by MonBK

You want to hear something funny Andreas?

I've sold items from $1 to $96,000 on e-bay and found that the cheaper the item you're selling is the more demanding the buyer is, much like in real life.

Very true Mon!

SK .. It seems to me you saved yourself a lot of trouble.

[blama215]

I think you handled it fine, I have sold a few watches on ebay years ago, but with all the scams connected with eBay and pay pal right now I don't think I will ever sell a high doller item again.

[Andelain]

Originally Posted by meloncap78

Save all of your message logs and send him the watch with the paypal payment. If you get scammed (which probably will not happen) paypal will HAVE to make good on it with the record of your conversation going the way that it did.

Paypal doesn't HAVE to do anything, and they seem to know that. After all, they let Damien Ietto pull one over on iMono even in the face of all the evidence they had that it was a fraud. Paypal makes life difficult for honest buyers like me because honest sellers are so afraid to accept it, and I can't say as I blame them.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by Andelain

Paypal doesn't HAVE to do anything, and they seem to know that. After all, they let Damien Ietto pull one over on iMono even in the face of all the evidence they had that it was a fraud. Paypal makes life difficult for honest buyers like me because honest sellers are so afraid to accept it, and I can't say as I blame them.

+1
I cannot stand paypal. All someone has to do is file a dispute directly with their credit card company and tell them any story they want, then the CC company pulls the funds from paypal and paypal pulls the funds from you.
their policy stinks and I cannot stand using them

[GradyPhilpott]

Stand your ground, SubKing.

You're being pressured into doing something against your better judgement and against the terms you established at the beginning.

This, too, shall pass.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by meloncap78

Save all of your message logs and send him the watch with the paypal payment. If you get scammed (which probably will not happen) paypal will HAVE to make good on it with the record of your conversation going the way that it did.

unfortunitly what you're telling me to do would never be good enough.......

in order to qualify for paypal seller protection, you need to ship to confirmed paypal address only and his was unconfirmed.

ebay will do nothing, they will tell you to take it up with paypal and paypal will tell you to contact the buyer after he screws you over and work it out with him.. So better for me to refund his money and lose the sale then to keep his money and send the watch and run a high risk of losing the money a few weeks from now when he tries to pull a fast one once he gets the watch...

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by directioneng

How about posting his Ebay ID?

i will LOVE to post all this persons information, but until ebay settles this, I want to keep the information private to make for less drama, not saying anyone would but i just dont want anyone contacting him setting more flames to an already burning fire. Let me get my seller credit from ebay back and see if they will do something about the false feedback before i go and start posting up names and links. as soon as the dispute ends, i will update this thread with all info.

[rr-nyc]

Originally Posted by directioneng

Why suggest SK tells Paypal he suspects fraud.
I didn't read this into the thread.
You need to rethink your post as that would be untrue.

To suspect anything is to be cautious. The seller had specific instructions for payment but the buyer instead, chose to proceed in his own way

A bank wire is the only iron clad way of making sure payment is made. Anybody can dispute a paypal charge. I've had it done before and we have all seen examples on the forum

If the guy was legit, why would he insist of proceeding in this matter? Better yet, why is his attitude so standoffish?

I dont need to rethink my post. If I were the seller, it's MY transaction and I choose how I want to be paid. If the buyer really had the money, there is no difference between wiring and PayPal... Unless of course, he's thinking about disputing the transaction

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by millmax

Agree with Bayerische, e bay has gone way to far down the hill lately

+1 i mean how rediculous is it that a seller cannot even leave negative feedback to buyers? what a joke. they have made ebay so buyer friendly, now the sellers have 0 protection, litterally. never again will i sell this kind of high dollar item on ebay..

I know it might have been hard for the buyer to trust me with a wire transfer which I can understand in his shoe's and i have used a wire transfer on high dollar watches more than once so i know the feeling, but I was polite and gave him the option to cancel the sale if he didn't want to pay and then he goes and sticks it to me with the ebay fee and negative feedback. i just can't believe it.. ebay is so terrible, watch them not even help me with the feedback.. i mean the guy left my feedback a couple hours after the sale. didn't even wait, just wanted to screw me over. i mean what does he have to lose?

i hope ebay for once does their job and does something about this... but any time I have ever called them they have done nothing for me.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by rr-nyc

To suspect anything is to be cautious. The seller had specific instructions for payment but the buyer instead, chose to proceed in his own way

A bank wire is the only iron clad way of making sure payment is made. Anybody can dispute a paypal charge. I've had it done before and we have all seen examples on the forum

If the guy was legit, why would he insist of proceeding in this matter? Better yet, why is his attitude so standoffish?

I dont need to rethink my post. If I were the seller, it's MY transaction and I choose how I want to be paid. If the buyer really had the money, there is no difference between wiring and PayPal... Unless of course, he's thinking about disputing the transaction

+1 i did tell him I had references if that would make him feel more comfortable. He just wanted it his way or nothing.. when he started acted so crazy in the emails, i started to worry and think to myself "do i really want to do biz with a guy acting like this with all these threats hes making out of no where?" so i refunded him right away and gave him two good options of ending the sale or using the wire method. either way his address was unconfirmed and I don't care if all of OZ is like that, it doesnt fly with me and he didn't have to bid. Exactly like someone said in this thread earlier is some people only read what they want to in auctions..

i had a buyer exclusion list and it doesnt even work. i was getting 0 feedback users bidding and had to block them. ebays system doesnt even work.

[Welshwatchman]

You admit you made an initial mistake and that's the truth.

Subsequently you've not gone far wrong.

If your gut feeling is that this person is not safe to deal with then don't.

You still have the watch and this guy is still the same personality as the one sending the stinking messages. If he's that bad then you are lucky that he didn't have the opportunity to "give you grief" with your watch in his possession.

I'd be interested to know his Ebay ID, pm me if you wish to share.

Also, contact Paypal and let them know that you couldn't proceed with the auction since the user did not have a confirmed address and that you were worried Paypal would do the usual "not our problem" when the fit hit the shan.

If all correspondence was through Ebay messaging system then you should contact Ebay via their freephone no (assuming it's free as in UK).

Talk it through with them, refer to poor Mono's experience with that scum. Be polite and humble, the feedback could be revoked and the $60 fee refunded.

Otherwise, don't sweat it.

[imono]

SubKing
Post the ebay item here so we all can see.
Don't think it will come to any harm if we all see it.
I am sure many members here want to block this guy.

[Givmeabrek]

Agreed. Post the eBay link. We are only seeing one side of the story unless the auction is shown. I don't see any harm in posting the full facts. It's public information anyway.

[SubKing]

Originally Posted by Givmeabrek

Agreed. Post the eBay link. We are only seeing one side of the story unless the auction is shown. I don't see any harm in posting the full facts. It's public information anyway.

yes its public info, but its my personal problem right now... PERSONAL... I posted here to get info and advise while this was going on, but kept most of the information personal for a reason.

forums can create ALOT of drama like they most of the time do and I don't want any of that drama until ebay has completed their investigation and i get my money back.

That is my decision so please all respect that. i have already stated after this mess is all over, i will be more than happy to post links and information about the buyer...

i don't want to run the risk of people sticking their nose into this until its complete. he got his refund now i'm waiting to get mine and dont want to make anymore waves in this storm.
please respect this, i'm still in the hole and have negative feedback.

this is the kind of guy the more pissed he gets the more he will try to come after me i feel like.

i did not post here for peoples approval, i posted this story here to get some advise and make sure I was doing this the right way. I now feel i have. once the investigation is complete I will update this thread with information.

[77T]

Originally Posted by SubKing

yes its public info, but its my personal problem right now... PERSONAL... i I posted here to get info and advise while this was going on, but kept most of it personal. it's still not over.

forums can create ALOT of drama like they most of the time do and I don't want any of that until ebay has completed their investigation and i get my money back. That is my decision so please all respect that. i have already stated after this mess is all over, i will be more than happy to post links and information about the buyer...

i don't want to run the risk of people sticking their nose into this until its complete. he got his refund now i'm waiting to get mine and dont want to make anymore waves in this storm. please respect my right to keep this private for the time being. i'm still in the hole and have negative feedback.

this is the kind of guy the more pissed he gets the more he will try to come after me i feel like.

i wanted advise and thats what people gave me here and i thank you for that, but until this is over, this is going to stay between ebay, the buyer and myself period.

until the investigation is over, i will not be posting any personal info. please stop asking.

I cannot wait once its over to burn him by posting his information so people can stay away from him... Also a link to my auction. everything is in the works and will take a week or 2 until ebay gets back to me with their results of the investigation. We will see what is to come.

I think this is a good idea because anyone can view our forum - I wouldn't expect TRF'ers to insert themselves, but anyone else can read this.