Tiger finally gets the W!

[scarab007]

I know this was a hot topic when Tiger signed with Rolex...but dang it looked good during his press talk after the Big W this week.

Could not exactly tell which model as you could only see the band. Looked pretty good in the light.

[karmatp]

The worst ambassador for Rolex ever. He really represents the brand.

[SaddleSC]

I didn't see it live, but I heard he was wearing a DSSD.

[sea-dweller]

Yep, he has been winless since 2009.

[Gaijin]

Yes! IBTL!

[azguy]

Booooooo

[DoxaDavid]

You know...before all you negative posters start jumping on your soap box knocking him, ask yourself " am I the best at my profession in all the world?" Yes... IN ALL THE WORLD as in there are almost 7 BILLION people alive today, where would YOU rank and if the answer is not #1, kindly shut your pie holes about judging Mr.Woods because not a single person here knows what it is like to have walked in his shoes or what it takes to be the single greatest athlete in his sport for 10 years and/or arguably all sports. I imaging if I was the greatest, most successful person in my field, it may swell my ego causing me to make some poor choices as well. Who knows???

I am not saying he is the greatest role model, father, husband or anything other than what he has accomplished on the golf course which is nothing short of spectacular so PLEASE save the bashing because just as likely, many were the same fans who was adoring him two years ago. Give the guy a little slack because he is after all the accolades just a man, who has faults like all of us except he gets to bear them in public which I don't envy but realize it comes with the rest of the package deal.

Just my .02C.

[azguy]

Originally Posted by DoxaDavid

You know...before all you negative posters start jumping on your soap box knocking him, ask yourself " am I the best at my profession in all the world?" Yes... IN ALL THE WORLD as in there are almost 7 BILLION people alive today, where would YOU rank and if the answer is not #1, kindly shut your pie holes about judging Mr.Woods because not a single person here knows what it is like to have walked in his shoes or what it takes to be the single greatest athlete in his sport for 10 years and/or arguably all sports. I imaging if I was the greatest, most successful person in my field, it may swell my ego causing me to make some poor choices as well. Who knows???

I am not saying he is the greatest role model, father, husband or anything other than what he has accomplished on the golf course which is nothing short of spectacular so PLEASE save the bashing because just as likely, many were the same fans who was adoring him two years ago. Give the guy a little slack because he is after all the accolades just a man, who has faults like all of us except he gets to bear them in public which I don't envy but realize it comes with the rest of the package deal.

Just my .02C.

Yeah, well it's still for me.

[Frogman4me]

Everyone deserves another chance as no one is perfect. Can't say I strongly support him but I know I am not suppose to judge, as there is only one Judge and it's not me.

[ari.seoul]

personally, I have nothing against the guy,

I do not agree with his lifestyle, but I will not point any finger at him, I could honestly say that could've been me if I were in his position ... then again, I dont think I know the whole story

and I do applaud the people who were/are against his signing with Rolex, it shows that people still do care about moral, ethics, etc

but credit to Tiger for coming back and getting the W, we all deserve some sort of a 2nd chance ... or a 3rd, 4th, etc, within reason of course

[salem65]

Originally Posted by frogman4me

everyone deserves another chance as no one is perfect. Can't say i strongly support him but i know i am not suppose to judge, as there is only one judge and it's not me.

+1

[rolexgiants]

Originally Posted by DoxaDavid

You know...before all you negative posters start jumping on your soap box knocking him, ask yourself " am I the best at my profession in all the world?" Yes... IN ALL THE WORLD as in there are almost 7 BILLION people alive today, where would YOU rank and if the answer is not #1, kindly shut your pie holes about judging Mr.Woods because not a single person here knows what it is like to have walked in his shoes or what it takes to be the single greatest athlete in his sport for 10 years and/or arguably all sports. I imaging if I was the greatest, most successful person in my field, it may swell my ego causing me to make some poor choices as well. Who knows???

I am not saying he is the greatest role model, father, husband or anything other than what he has accomplished on the golf course which is nothing short of spectacular so PLEASE save the bashing because just as likely, many were the same fans who was adoring him two years ago. Give the guy a little slack because he is after all the accolades just a man, who has faults like all of us except he gets to bear them in public which I don't envy but realize it comes with the rest of the package deal.

Just my .02C.

I'm a PHIL fan.... So I always root against tiger.... Doesnt matter to me about his personal life!!!!! LET'S GO PHIL!!!!!! I will be very happy as long as tiger wins ZERO majors!!!!!

[mikea]

its better for golf with him winning

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by karmatp

The worst ambassador for Rolex ever. He really represents the brand.

We get it. You don't like him. We should all strive to be like you..... Bashing someone trying to right his life in every thread is a great quality. Bottom line he is the best at what he does.

Sorry to everyone else for the rant.

Go Tiger. The tour has really needed him the past few years. The tour was there for him. I'm glad he is winning and helping the tour now.

[wantonebad]

Ratings prove it, humans watch golf when Tiger is in contention, they don't watch golf when he isn't. The difference is remarkable.

[Art 1]

Wonderful news. I was happy to see that he won.

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by karmatp

The worst ambassador for Rolex ever. He really represents the brand.

X10

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by wantonebad

Ratings prove it, humans watch golf when Tiger is in contention, they don't watch golf when he isn't. The difference is remarkable.

NBC certainly likes Tiger being in contention. Real golfers (IMHO) don't care if he's there and most have enjoyed golf just as much without him.

[DoxaDavid]

Originally Posted by rolexgiants

I'm a PHIL fan.... So I always root against tiger.... Doesnt matter to me about his personal life!!!!! LET'S GO PHIL!!!!!! I will be very happy as long as tiger wins ZERO majors!!!!!

I'm a Phil "the thrill" fan as well and love to see them duel but that doesn't mean I won't be unhappy to see a healthy, Tiger back to 2009 or better level of play!

[lebowski321]

Originally Posted by karmatp

The worst ambassador for Rolex ever. He really represents the brand.

All he did was cheat on his wife. Not saying that is an ok thing to do, but come on. It's not like he was out there killing puppies or selling govt secrets to Iran.

I'd be willing to bet you've made a mistake or two in your life and were given a second chance. Why shouldn't Tiger be given one?

[GradyPhilpott]

I'm glad he won, too.

It takes courage to turn one's life around, especially when that battle if fought in the public eye.

Golf is a tough head game, as it is. Imagine what it's like to go out and play when your dirty laundry has been the stuff of headlines.

I suspect that there are some skeletons in the closets of his detractors, too.

[john333]

I don't care for Tiger at all...never have...but golf needs for him to be at the top of his game. I really wish that was not the case, but unfortunately the masses just won't watch when he isn't in contention.

[psv]

Here's the thing, at this point I don't care if Tiger lose or wins which by definition makes him a questionable brand ambassador. But I'll take my hat off to anyone who wins a sporting event, so good for him!

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by john333

I don't care for Tiger at all...never have...but golf needs for him to be at the top of his game. I really wish that was not the case, but unfortunately the masses just won't watch when he isn't in contention.

This is the last thing I'm going to say. Golf doesn't "need" Tiger Woods. The media needs Tiger Woods. There is a difference. There have always been players that have followed Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Tom Watson. Being a decent human being (or a half-decent human being for that matter) doesn't preclude one from being at the top of one's sport or field. Cheating on one's spouse and children with another or with a double digit field of babes is beyond the scope or slack that I (personally) am willing to accept and I can't wait for someone like a Rory McIlroy to show us what he's made of, be it in golf or life. Integrity, you've either got it or you don't.

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by lhanddds

This is the last thing I'm going to say. Golf doesn't "need" Tiger Woods. The media needs Tiger Woods. There is a difference. There have always been players that have followed Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Tom Watson. Being a decent human being (or a half-decent human being for that matter) doesn't preclude one from being at the top of one's sport or field. Cheating on one's spouse and children with another or with a double digit field of babes is beyond the scope or slack that I (personally) am willing to accept and I can't wait for someone like a Rory McIlroy to show us what he's made of, be it in golf or life. Integrity, you've either got it or you don't.

Do you look think anyone looks down on Tom Watson for having a terrible alcohol addiction??? What about John Daly or David Feherty??? It nearly destroyed both their careers and families. As for Rory he did a similar Tiger thing already and he is 22. Don't know how many actually know this but he had a girlfriend of 6 years before the tennis star Caroline Wozniaki. He and Holly were together 6 years. They lived together in a beautiful mansion. He is a big tennis fan and used to follow Caroline around when he was still with Holly. He just told her he was in love with someone else and that was it. No they weren't married but when you are with someone for 6 years and live together thats pretty sacred too. She was there for him (actually flew in I believe) when he choked at the Masters last year and was just tossed to the side at a later time. Its not the same as Tiger but sure not a great way to be acting at 22 when so much more fame, money, and power are to come for someone like Rory. I'm a bigger golf fan than anyone I know and know more about the sport than most. There are A LOT of golfers out there with many demons in their closet. I personally couldn't care less about what my favorite athletes do in their personal life. People make mistakes. Yes golf needs Tiger Woods to continue to grow. He brings huge interest which brings more sponsors thus more money to the tour. Look at the avg. purse at tour events in 1997 compared to today. That's got a lot to do with Tiger why purses have quadrupled. If not for Tiger no one on tour would be making the amount of money they are making now.

[john333]

Originally Posted by gwalker

Yes golf needs Tiger Woods to continue to grow. He brings huge interest which brings more sponsors thus more money to the tour. Look at the avg. purse at tour events in 1997 compared to today. That's got a lot to do with Tiger why purses have quadrupled. If not for Tiger no one on tour would be making the amount of money they are making now.

That was exactly my point. I was not saying that the sport would no longer exist without Tiger, but professionsal golf cannot and will not flourish without Tiger at the top like it did from 1997-2009. The reason the purses grew so much during that period is ONLY because Tiger drew fans to the sport like nobody else has since probably Arnie.

As I said before, I don't like Tiger...but there is no denying the importance or impact he has on the game.

[wantonebad]

Originally Posted by lhanddds

NBC certainly likes Tiger being in contention. Real golfers (IMHO) don't care if he's there and most have enjoyed golf just as much without him.

I assume you're talking about "real golf fans" and viewership? I wasn't, I was talking about the public as a whole and money.

Originally Posted by lhanddds

This is the last thing I'm going to say. Golf doesn't "need" Tiger Woods. The media needs Tiger Woods. There is a difference. There have always been players that have followed Bobby Jones, Ben Hogan, Arnold Palmer, Jack Nicklaus and Tom Watson. Being a decent human being (or a half-decent human being for that matter) doesn't preclude one from being at the top of one's sport or field. Cheating on one's spouse and children with another or with a double digit field of babes is beyond the scope or slack that I (personally) am willing to accept and I can't wait for someone like a Rory McIlroy to show us what he's made of, be it in golf or life. Integrity, you've either got it or you don't.

Couldn't disagree more, the media doesn't force people to follow Tiger around in tournaments, have you been to a US Open in the last 10 years? Who's got the largest crowds? Who's dominating the field? Tiger, and it's not a media/lemming issue, it's awe. Integrity is a personal trait, and we may admire it in some of our past sports hero's but it has nothing to do with whether or not you can hit a golf ball or win a tournament. If you don't like Tiger for his personal choices I don't blame you, but I don't think anyone should be denigrating people who do like Tiger for being a dominant player and a man of iron will, it's amazing to watch and the media did not make me say that.

[unclesallie]

Originally Posted by gwalker

Do you look think anyone looks down on Tom Watson for having a terrible alcohol addiction??? What about John Daly or David Feherty??? It nearly destroyed both their careers and families. As for Rory he did a similar Tiger thing already and he is 22. Don't know how many actually know this but he had a girlfriend of 6 years before the tennis star Caroline Wozniaki. He and Holly were together 6 years. They lived together in a beautiful mansion. He is a big tennis fan and used to follow Caroline around when he was still with Holly. He just told her he was in love with someone else and that was it. No they weren't married but when you are with someone for 6 years and live together thats pretty sacred too. She was there for him (actually flew in I believe) when he choked at the Masters last year and was just tossed to the side at a later time. Its not the same as Tiger but sure not a great way to be acting at 22 when so much more fame, money, and power are to come for someone like Rory. I'm a bigger golf fan than anyone I know and know more about the sport than most. There are A LOT of golfers out there with many demons in their closet. I personally couldn't care less about what my favorite athletes do in their personal life. People make mistakes. Yes golf needs Tiger Woods to continue to grow. He brings huge interest which brings more sponsors thus more money to the tour. Look at the avg. purse at tour events in 1997 compared to today. That's got a lot to do with Tiger why purses have quadrupled. If not for Tiger no one on tour would be making the amount of money they are making now.

Might we just say, "Judge not, lest ye be judged" ?
Ok, maybe not that simple......then again.....maybe you prefer this:



it's a WATCH forum....wanna get me pissed? insult the new Sky Dweller or
the new orange hand Explorer II......

that is all. be at peace Big Guys........

[gwalker]

Originally Posted by john333

That was exactly my point. I was not saying that the sport would no longer exist without Tiger, but professionsal golf cannot and will not flourish without Tiger at the top like it did from 1997-2009. The reason the purses grew so much during that period is ONLY because Tiger drew fans to the sport like nobody else has since probably Arnie.

As I said before, I don't like Tiger...but there is no denying the importance or impact he has on the game.

You are correct. The avg golf fan won't watch 1 second of golf unless Tiger is playing. Golf isnt trying to target people like me that from Wed-Sunday I watch pretty much nothing but golf. I watch the European, LPGA, and Champions Tours as well. I'm going to watch no matter who is playing. That said 50% or more aren't going to watch without tiger playing. Ratings bring sponsors and they bring money. It's how it goes.

[lhanddds]

Originally Posted by gwalker

You are correct. The avg golf fan won't watch 1 second of golf unless Tiger is playing. Golf isnt trying to target people like me that from Wed-Sunday I watch pretty much nothing but golf. I watch the European, LPGA, and Champions Tours as well. I'm going to watch no matter who is playing. That said 50% or more aren't going to watch without tiger playing. Ratings bring sponsors and they bring money. It's how it goes.

As I said, real golfers don't need to have Tiger around. I've really enjoyed watching the golf instead of the hype. I have been to 2 US Opens and 2 Masters in the last ten years. Couldn't find Tiger, maybe he had a date Before his debacle he was awesome. Time to move on. His head's a mess, he can't even look anyone in the eye anymore. Even Tom Lehman said his real problem is between his ears. As far as the money goes, how much is enough. All the great players have brought attention to the game. There will be more. We can all agree to disagree OK?