Jomashop vs Trusted Seller

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by improviz

Actually the "point" he was referring to was his own point, to which you were responding:



That's *his* point, to which you responded:


And he then responded:


Further, while papers and their accompanying increased resale value might not mean much to you, they do affect value of the watch, a factor which is certainly worthy of consideration by anyone weighing whether to purchase a watch from a trusted seller vs Jomashop et al, and thus certainly pertinent to the topic at hand.

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[superdog]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

There is worrying about things that have a high or even medium probability of happening and then there is worrying about things that have such a slim probability of happening that it is ridiculous to worry about...

You never answered my last question. Did you get the original warranty cards when you purchased from Jomashop?

Blah, blah la blah, la blah blah. Thats basically what I see you posting

And so sorry I did not immediately respond to your original question. I won't let that happen again. Ever. Please please forgive me.

And yes, I did.

[ec51]

Originally Posted by improviz

Actually the "point" he was referring to was his own point, to which you were responding:



That's *his* point, to which you responded:


And he then responded:


Further, while papers and their accompanying increased resale value might not mean much to you, they do affect value of the watch, a factor which is certainly worthy of consideration by anyone weighing whether to purchase a watch from a trusted seller vs Jomashop et al, and thus certainly pertinent to the topic at hand.

Thanks for the re-cap...!

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by superdog

Blah, blah la blah, la blah blah. Thats basically what I see you posting

And so sorry I did not immediately respond to your original question. I won't let that happen again. Ever. Please please forgive me.

And yes, I did.

It would have been so much easier for and useful to everyone in this thread if you had just responded that Jomashop did give you the warranty cards with your watches. Also, it would have been more helpful for Jomashop, who apparently you felt great need to defend.

[improviz]

Originally Posted by ec51

Thanks for the re-cap...!

You're most welcome, anytime.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

It would have been so much easier for and useful to everyone in this thread if you had just responded that Jomashop did give you the warranty cards with your watches. Also, it would have been more helpful for Jomashop, who apparently you felt great need to defend.

If I was not clear enough for you to understand, you have my apologies.

When I stated that the policy referred to was "not true", and that I had good experiences, I figured that was a pretty clear answer. I will work harder next time.

Not sure, how I possibly came off that I felt great need to "defend" anyone. Not worth going into it, but go back and read what I said.

If you want to have a discussion, I am more than happy to engage.

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

So you are stating that they do provide the original Rolex Warranty cards?

It was unclear to me whether you disagreed with it being a stupid sales policy, since my post was referring to their sales policy, or whether people were incorrect in stating that Jomashop does not provide warranty cards. It was an important distinction to make, as it is unfair to Jomashop to state that they don't give manufacturer warranty cards if they in fact do supply them....

[alarminglycharming]

Thanks for all the replies. I'll contact some trusted sellers and keep my eye on the jomashop listings for comparison.

[superdog]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

It was unclear to me whether you disagreed with it being a stupid sales policy, since my post was referring to their sales policy, or whether people were incorrect in stating that Jomashop does not provide warranty cards. It was an important distinction to make, as it is unfair to Jomashop to state that they don't give manufacturer warranty cards if they in fact do supply them....

fair enough.

[Silverfever]

Is it a crime here to buy from an AD or from Jomashop or like Internet grey market dealers? Do we face ridicule if we don't buy from TRF TDs?

[Demonoid]

Try Davis SW, Tony at justrolexes or Mosco. They are amazing. Everyone is entitled to buy from whom ever they want (Ad, internet, Cayman islands etc). But, the alternative is these guys and they rock. Great experiences.... Period. Good luck and show pics when you have you piece.

[improviz]

From what I've observed looking at the Jomashop site, for preowned stuff the trusted sellers' prices kick their a**es all over the map. You have to dig a bit to find out what serial/age watch they're selling for those prices, and then it's quickly apparent that the trusted sellers are the way to go there.

BNIB, don't know, haven't compared that one so much, again I would just say to OP: do your homework. Spend a bit of time pricing there vs here with the known names, the heavy hitters of the trusted sellers whom you can easily find by reading the "Who's Who" forum of this site.

[TonyD]

I've purchased a few things from Joma and always had good luck. I had one issue and the watch was replaced quickly and easily. They sell new watches with no papers and cover them using their own in house warranty. I have nothing bad to say about them.

However if I see the same watch at a similar price here on TRF from one of the great sellers that I know and trust then I would go with TRF. I trust many of these guys more than most AD's!

I normally only use Joma if they have some wacky clearance sale, daily deal or something I can't find otherwise.

[jon_jon]

I have not purchased a watch from Jomashop, but have purchased a watch winder from them and had a great transaction. The price of the watch winder on sale was quite a significant discount off the MSRP.

[Rashid.bk]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

It would have been so much easier for and useful to everyone in this thread if you had just responded that Jomashop did give you the warranty cards with your watches. Also, it would have been more helpful for Jomashop, who apparently you felt great need to defend.

Yeah, to be fair Seth I didn't get any clarity in your post regarding Jomashop and the warranty cards which at the time of discussion was a key ingredient.
But hey, it all worked out and cleared up....you're a Jomashop fan.


For some reason I think you were an exception. There's also the broad policy statement.....as I think they do give out the warranty cards but it probably depends on how they sourced the watch. I have a friend who bought a 16610 without any papers/card from them.

Also, as it relates to legal issues with Rolex USA they(Jomashop) cannot on print acknowledge that a Rolex watch sold through them is in fact the same as an AD when they in fact are not, so that bullet statement in lacking warranty cards and factory warranty makes the distinction legally as to who they are(gray market/reseller).
At least that's what I get from it.

I have also talked to Tourneau about there used watches, they told me most don't have box or papers and that none sold used have warranty cards even if they acquired the watch in it's warranty period. I inquired about trading in my watch at one point also and there standard policy was they didn't need nor cared about box/papers, they just send it to the back and have a watchmaker look and appraise it and they'll give an offer, which explains why many don't have box or papers.



Too much "gray" areas for me...I'll just keep buying from one of the guys here or an AD outright.

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by Silverfever

Is it a crime here to buy from an AD or from Jomashop or like Internet grey market dealers? Do we face ridicule if we don't buy from TRF TDs?

Not at all. It is usually a waste of money though. Less money wasted = more watches...

[Silverfever]

Originally Posted by QueueCumber

Not at all. It is usually a waste of money though. Less money wasted = more watches...

Don't know where you get that from. These are the prices I got from my AD Bnib out the door.

SubC $7100 USD
GMTIIc $7000USD
DJII diamond rhodium dial fluted USD$8600
Daytona SS white dial USD$11100

Good prices IMHO.

[Silverfever]

Also get to pay by CC. 1 additional year of warranty for free. 3 month loss protection. And earn almost 50000 points. 60000 points gets me a free round trip ticket from Yvr to Hkg

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by Silverfever

Don't know where you get that from. These are the prices I got from my AD Bnib out the door.

SubC $7100 USD
GMTIIc $7000USD
DJII diamond rhodium dial fluted USD$8600
Daytona SS white dial USD$11100

Good prices IMHO.

I get it from my personal experiences with ADs when asking what deals they would give, though I'm not familiar with the pricing of those pieces above. In my statement I said "usually," which clearly suggests that sometimes people can find an AD willing to give great deals. I think you will find that generalizing your AD to all ADs is a specious argument though.

It does look like some of those pieces are being offered for cheaper on these forums though. You might even try asking DavidSW to see if he is offering competitive pricing on some of these BNIB.

[Silverfever]

I'm sure davidsw is a great guy. Unfortunately as soon the watch crosses the border, I'm going to be hit by 12% sales tax and 5% duty.

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by Silverfever

I'm sure davidsw is a great guy. Unfortunately as soon the watch crosses the border, I'm going to be hit by 12% sales tax and 5% duty.

Wow, that is high. I only pay around half of that in taxes on my pieces...

[gmsmith]

I would encourage you to talk to one of the trusted sellers here...I am very pleased with what I got (can't wait for it to arrive tomorrow!).

[superdog]

Originally Posted by Rashid.bk

Yeah, to be fair Seth I didn't get any clarity in your post regarding Jomashop and the warranty cards which at the time of discussion was a key ingredient.
But hey, it all worked out and cleared up....you're a Jomashop fan.


For some reason I think you were an exception. There's also the broad policy statement.....as I think they do give out the warranty cards but it probably depends on how they sourced the watch. I have a friend who bought a 16610 without any papers/card from them.

Also, as it relates to legal issues with Rolex USA they(Jomashop) cannot on print acknowledge that a Rolex watch sold through them is in fact the same as an AD when they in fact are not, so that bullet statement in lacking warranty cards and factory warranty makes the distinction legally as to who they are(gray market/reseller).
At least that's what I get from it.

I have also talked to Tourneau about there used watches, they told me most don't have box or papers and that none sold used have warranty cards even if they acquired the watch in it's warranty period. I inquired about trading in my watch at one point also and there standard policy was they didn't need nor cared about box/papers, they just send it to the back and have a watchmaker look and appraise it and they'll give an offer, which explains why many don't have box or papers.



Too much "gray" areas for me...I'll just keep buying from one of the guys here or an AD outright.

Ha. Yes. I actually agree after re-reading. Hence my "fair enough" with the ole cheers sign thrown in.

It's hard to admit when your wrong. I tried to do it somewhat gracefully. I hope it worked.

Please let it be known that while I've bought there, with good experiences, I only buy from here. And I've got David on speed dial.

[QueueCumber]

Originally Posted by superdog

Ha. Yes. I actually agree after re-reading. Hence my "fair enough" with the ole cheers sign thrown in.

It's hard to admit when your wrong. I tried to do it somewhat gracefully. I hope it worked.

Please let it be known that while I've bought there, with good experiences, I only buy from here. And I've got David on speed dial.

No harm no foul.

Especially since we have David in common!

[Mastergreenhand]

I was told by Jomashop I was getting box and papers. I DID NOT get papers. Then they told me they would come in a week. Then two weeks. Then a month. They told me no worries, they are coming. Then all they send me is the instruction book, like 2 months later. By now, I've been wearing the watch and had swirls, so, I guess it was mine at that point. There was a LOT of back and forth between myself and Jomashop, and they certainly misled me. I would've returned it the day I received it but I trusted that they would indeed be sending me the papers. It left such a bad taste in my mouth. I will never buy gray again. I WILL however purchase from a trusted seller here. So long as it is a complete package and I get what is represented and what I want, which has always been the case in the past. I kick myself for ever going outside the TRF trusted sellers, believe me. I was impatient and wanted 'BNIB', as opposed to other models that were years old. So... live and learn.

[SMD]

Originally Posted by Silverfever

I'm sure davidsw is a great guy. Unfortunately as soon the watch crosses the border, I'm going to be hit by 12% sales tax and 5% duty.

But you also pay the same GST /PST at the ad so that should be a push. As for duty, that would be built into the price of the ad watch would it not?

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[Silverfever]

Originally Posted by SMD

But you also pay the same GST /PST at the ad so that should be a push. As for duty, that would be built into the price of the ad watch would it not?

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The price I paid the ad out the door for example the sub c for USD$7100 includes the sales tax And 5% duty. In order to make it worthwhile to buy from a Td for example, Im going to have to get it for around USD$6000 to account for 12% sales tax and 5% duty at the border. I haven't seen any Bnib sub c date sold lately for USD$6000 let alone anyone who will take cc payment at that price.

[Silverfever]

For clarity USD$7100 is the out the door price for Bnib sub c date from the ad paid by CC. No additional taxes and fees on top.

[southtexas]

I've never heard a good thing about jomashop


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[mfnj]

Originally Posted by AJMarcus

RSC will service a watch within its warranty period without a warranty card. It's the watch that carries the warranty not the seller or buyer. Anyone but an AD is a gray dealer and they are not sellers authorized by Rolex. Having said that, as has already been suggested, the trusted sellers of TRF are the way to go.

Not true in the US. Rolex warranty service does not transfer from the owner on the warranty card to a new owner or next owner. Rolex will service a legitimate watch but not under warranty. No name on card, no warranty service!