First Rolex question - ew vs Old - GMT vs Sub

[Keyne]

My wife would like to buy me a Rolex as a gift to celebrate a big promotion. This would be my first Rolex and one I plan to have forever due to its sentimental value and wear daily. I have always liked the Pepsi bezel GMT's and the classic black face submariners but I am wondering if it makes sense to buy a used (2000+ circa GmT or a new Sub)?

When we started looking at watches I was thinking Pepsi GMT all the way... I travel internationally a lot so the GMT features would be great and I like the uniqueness of the Pepsi vs a sub. However, we purchased and returned a GMT circa 2006 and it caused me to think that maybe I would feel more comfortable with a new watch so I know how it has been used and serviced. I plan to keep it for and use it daily for the next 30-40 years (maybe even that is too optimistic?). I am not a huge fan of the new GMT black and black and blue (love the new Pepsi wg but wow $$$$) so a sub sounds like a great altnerative.

Are the older watches reliable enough to last? Better in these circumstances to buy new? I searched the forums to find related topics but couldn't find what I was looking for, so any guidance would be great.

[Snow-Dweller]

Sure the older ones are reliable enough. I think it comes down to wether you prefer the newer or older models, ceramic bezel, wider lugs etc.

[HERITAGE82]

You can always wait and find a New Old Stock 16710 Pepsi GMT. It'll take patience, but there are plenty out there. It seems that is the best thing for you since you get the watch you want with the newness you you require.

[raky]

If you have any questions regarding an older watch, you can always get it serviced. These watches were meant to last a lifetime (and beyond). I bought both my GMT and wife's Datejust with service history unknown. In my mind, as long as it is running fine, no need to crack it open and service it. I know there are several schools of thought on that but it works for me.

[Keyne]

Originally Posted by raky

If you have any questions regarding an older watch, you can always get it serviced. These watches were meant to last a lifetime (and beyond). I bought both my GMT and wife's Datejust with service history unknown. In my mind, as long as it is running fine, no need to crack it open and service it. I know there are several schools of thought on that but it works for me.

How old were the watches you purchased? 80's, 90's, 2000's?

[Annan]

Yes, the older Rolexes are reliable. Sounds like the Pepsi GMT is what sings loudest to you. I'd suggest you buy the newest one you can find, in the best condition possible and if service history is unknown, have it serviced at an RSC for peace of mind. Contact one of the trusted sellers here on TRF and see what they can source for you. If you are lucky they might actually find a NOS. I hear you about the new Pepsi....great looking watch but $$$$$$$!!

[Wesley Crusher]

You never have to worry about Rolex reliability. Old or new, it will last you for many years. Properly maintain it and you can absolutely wear it for the next 40 years.

Having said that, have you tried on the new Rolex models? The improvements to the bracelet and clasp are incredible. I think a SubC would be perfect for you. Buy new right here on TRF and save $$$.

[AK797]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

You never have to worry about Rolex reliability. Old or new, it will last you for many years. Properly maintain it and you can absolutely wear it for the next 40 years.

Having said that, have you tried on the new Rolex models? The improvements to the bracelet and clasp are incredible. I think a SubC would be perfect for you. Buy new right here on TRF and save $$$.

[FTX I]

Wrist size was the key point for me. Older ones would make me remove a permanent link on the 6 o'clock side of the bracelet, or wear the bracelet inverted to have a perfect fit and both options are terrible for me. On the flipside, new Subs have a perfect bracelet and clasp and they are tailor made for my 6.5- wrists. I chose to go modern and could not be happier, but to be honest I still lust over the 5 digit and 4 digit models. Your call my friend. Cheers.

[watchwatcher]

Originally Posted by Keyne

Are the older watches reliable enough to last?

Absolutely. Probably last longer than you will.

[jack81]

I know you said you didnt like the black and blue gmt, but can i persuade you?

[Joearch]

New Sub or BLNR

[carreramay]

For your situation, I'd buy new. Gift from your wife. How about the black bezel GMT? Myself and many others prefer it to the BLNR. As far as looks go, not a lot different than the black Sub. And it is perfect for your international travel.

[Keyne]

Thank you for all the responses. I guess I still wonder how old is too old but sounds like in the 90's or 2000's would work great. The search is back on for a GMT Coke or Pepsi.

Another question... I want to buy a 16710 and have both the Coke and Pepsi bezels. Will any 16710 or GMT2 bezel fit or do you need to buy one in the same serial number series (e.g. X, T, K, etc.)?

[Im Lauf der Zeit]

If a bezel insert fits a 16710 it will fit any serial number of that reference. You are making the right choice getting a recent Pepsi or Coke GMT2--sounds like it's what you really want and with a little searching you can find BNIB or close to it, especially if you are okay with the no lug holes era.

[penfold]

For me, the big difference between new and used is the bracelet. Now I'm so used to the comfort and adjustability of the new glidelock I find it difficult to go back to the tinny fliplock of my pepsi gmt or sd.

For that reason I put the sd onto a NATO this morning. Despite the short comings of the bracelet, the older models do have a charm not captured in the newer flashier designs.

[CWIN]

Nothing wrong with the older watches. They will last you a life time. That being said, I prefer to buy new or newer since I like the ceramic bezels. While you can't go wrong with a classic Submariner, I'd give the new GMTs another look. They are great looking, less common than a Submariner, and have a complication that will be useful for you. Pricing on the GMTIIC used is actually very fair. I'd check with some of our trusted sellers

[strafer_kid]

The newer versions whilst more technically advanced and arguably better built, can be a bit too flash for some, the ceramic bezel being case in point. You could pick up a nice late GMT 16710 Pepsi with the option of a black bezel insert, or SD 16600, or Sub 16610. Great thing is you have lots of choice and all are excellent. Good luck!

[Ste_J]

I bought a 2004 GMT with all 3 bezels. Bought a 67200 glidelock bracelet off the forum and now have (IMO) the perfect watch. Just giving you this as another option, since the quality of the bracelet and clasp of the older models normally comes in for a bit of flak!

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[MovieGuy]

When I bought my Submariner I had a chance to buy a 'brand new' just serviced by Rolex early 90s Sub-Date. I ended up buying a new ceramic Sub instead. My reasoning was that if it is going to be my daily wearer, get the best materials possible.

If I bought the other Sub it definitely would not have been a daily wearer for me.

[skprd13]

Originally Posted by Wesley Crusher

You never have to worry about Rolex reliability. Old or new, it will last you for many years. Properly maintain it and you can absolutely wear it for the next 40 years.

Having said that, have you tried on the new Rolex models? The improvements to the bracelet and clasp are incredible. I think a SubC would be perfect for you. Buy new right here on TRF and save $$$.

What he said!

[Psmith]

Imho, go for the most recent models unless you are looking at vintage (which is a different ballgame altogether)

Picking up on an earlier point, the current GMT is available with an all-black bezel insert (LN) as well as the blue/black (BLNR)

[busytimmy]

What about a newer LN GMT? The 116710...


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[Keyne]

Decided to go with a 16710 circa 2002/2003 with a Coke bezel (will buy a Pepsi bezel as well soon), and the watch arrives tomorrow! Thank you for all the replies; your comments helped me with the decision. Can't wait till it gets here!

[FTX I]

Originally Posted by Keyne

Decided to go with a 16710 circa 2002/2003 with a Coke bezel (will buy a Pepsi bezel as well soon), and the watch arrives tomorrow! Thank you for all the replies; your comments helped me with the decision. Can't wait till it gets here!

[ttrq01]

Go with either of the latest model SS GMTc's. Get new or lightly used from a reputable seller here. You will not regret either choice. I've had both--sold the LN and have a BLNR now. Both purchased slightly used. Or a SS SubC is another great choice.

Good luck and enjoy whichever you both choose.

[roklee]

No worries, they are very reliable. Even My 1967 gmt still runs cosc specs.

[Ste_J]

Originally Posted by Keyne

Decided to go with a 16710 circa 2002/2003 with a Coke bezel (will buy a Pepsi bezel as well soon), and the watch arrives tomorrow! Thank you for all the replies; your comments helped me with the decision. Can't wait till it gets here!

Excellent choice

[dstacy]

Originally Posted by Keyne

Thank you for all the responses. I guess I still wonder how old is too old but sounds like in the 90's or 2000's would work great. The search is back on for a GMT Coke or Pepsi.

Another question... I want to buy a 16710 and have both the Coke and Pepsi bezels. Will any 16710 or GMT2 bezel fit or do you need to buy one in the same serial number series (e.g. X, T, K, etc.)?

I wear a 55 year old GMT all the time. It is accurate within spec and a great watch. I also wear a 47 year old 5512. The 15xx movements are workhorses, tough, and accurate. No need to worry about an older model. Now your wallet is going to take a heavy hit if you buy a vintage model. Once you get hooked on vintage you'll be broke since prices on nice examples are climbing fast.

[breitlings]

I think you should get the 16710 GMT II I've got one, it keeps really good time. Its comfortable. Its not so nice that I don't do stuff in it except the harshest activities.

You can also switch out the bezels to have different looks. The bracelets are the weak point on the earlier rolexs imo. however some of the old rolexs are very nice and keep great time.