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19 December 2015, 12:50 AM | #1 |
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R.car Member-Potential Fraud
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I purchased a GMT II Master Ceramic dial from TRF pledge member R.car and wired the money to his account per his instruction. Before sending the money, I requested his references and contacted them. They had good things to say and I transferred the money. He keeps promising to ship the watch but has not done so. He keeps giving me excuses that the money has not hit his bank account but I provided confirmation from my bank that it did. Has anyone dealt with him? He has a current listing for a Rolex Daytona. |
19 December 2015, 01:24 AM | #2 |
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I'd be filing with the bank to reverse the payment ASAP. Excuses are never a good sign
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19 December 2015, 01:27 AM | #3 |
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I saw the ad 6k for a bnib gmt ?
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19 December 2015, 01:33 AM | #4 |
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Just looked at his account, he's been here less than a month. Probably gave you contact information to an account he created as a fake reference, and took your money. I find it weird he wanted people to direct messages to his quite weird and fake seeming email instead of corresponding through TRF As well. I wouldn't wait at all, I'd be doing whatever I could to find out who he is, and if you can cancel the payment
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19 December 2015, 01:35 AM | #5 |
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Sorry to hear this!
I am sure his references are not legit because they are not from this forum.. |
19 December 2015, 01:50 AM | #6 |
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Wow I hope it will work out sorry to hear that
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19 December 2015, 02:22 AM | #7 |
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I'd PM a Moderator to alert TRF...
perhaps to temporarily hide other for sale posts, depending on SOP here. I don't think I could do a deal with any short-time member... including me. |
19 December 2015, 03:25 AM | #8 |
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It looks like you sent the wire, yesterday late afternoon. It can take awhile for funds to show up in someones acct. Pending more info, I may tend to side with the seller here. Since you are a newer member with really no feedback. He may be concerned he's going to get scammed. I get a little nervous when a non-pledge member, with no info on the profile page contacts me about a potential transaction.
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19 December 2015, 03:28 AM | #9 |
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Thank you all. I sent a message to the moderator but have not received a response. He is also selling a Daytona on the forum. He has participated in 68 posts. It's unfortunate that there is no humanity left in this world that people would do this. Can some of you alert others please since I am very new to this forum.
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19 December 2015, 03:34 AM | #10 |
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19 December 2015, 03:38 AM | #11 |
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Hi Knappo 1307, I sent him confirmation that the wire went through to his account. It's been 3 days. I sent the wire on the 16th
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19 December 2015, 03:41 AM | #12 |
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Wire cleared and sent on 12/16/15.
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19 December 2015, 03:53 AM | #13 |
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for those posting it was BNIB it was not and was not advertised that way. as a G serial $6,000 for a private non trusted seller is not a huge discount that should set off alarm bells. then again monday morning quarterbacks always show up in potential scam threads.
as taken from his post: "i have a new rolex ss gmt master II for sale. The watch comes complete as purchased from the AD (papers, inner and outer boxes, hand tags, books, warranty card) it comes with some protective stickers and bezel protector." |
19 December 2015, 06:59 AM | #14 |
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How do I become a pledge member? He (Watson) just texted me that I messed him up on the forum and he will refund my money. What a joke! I want to be able to directly contact a moderator. I don't want others to get scammed. He has another posting on TRF for a Rolex Daytona.
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19 December 2015, 07:12 AM | #15 | |
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Also you get PM privileges after i think a week of being on the forums and a specific amount of posts. You can also become a pledge member and pay $25 donation to the site and get the pledge status. Search "Pledge member" on the search bar on the forums and you'll see the thread on how to become one.
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19 December 2015, 07:22 AM | #16 | |
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Pretty sure anything "messed up" on the forum is easily changed back if he just follows through with the deal and an explanation. http://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=390035 |
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19 December 2015, 08:11 AM | #17 | |
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If he has already received your money then why has he not already shipped the watch? This is not adding up. |
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19 December 2015, 08:22 AM | #18 | |
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It doesn't change the fact that as presented by OP, which I am certain seller has had chance to chime in and hasn't, this is still an attempted scam. |
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19 December 2015, 09:18 AM | #19 |
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i haven't received any money and would refund him fully if the funds hit my account, he sent me a confirmation email of the wire transfer which read it would reflect within two to three days
i should have sent out the watch if i have seen the funds you could confirm i already updated watch sold and pending funds, he is insisting i ship out the watch when it hasn't hit my account yet |
19 December 2015, 10:06 AM | #20 | |
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Wire transfers are typically credited within an hour if sent before 4:00PM here(CDT). Buyer should contact seller's bank by phone and confirm, imo. |
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19 December 2015, 10:11 AM | #21 |
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Bank wires can be held that long. Depending on banks and where it is going. Obviously, I have no idea in this case.
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19 December 2015, 10:13 AM | #22 |
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Watching this one closely!
A wire transfer typically will not take longer than 48 hours at max. Meaning the funds should have cleared by this afternoon if sent on the 16th (as a latest scenario)....and that's two days, not three as stated by the OP. Both parties need to be more transparent, and have this resolved by Monday's end.
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19 December 2015, 11:10 AM | #23 |
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I sent him confirmation that he received the funds. He's a liar. He told me that he was going to send the watch out today no later than 10:00 AM PST. I will figure out how to cut and paste all his emails and texts, and my proof that he received the money and will post it on this website. He is a scam artist. Beware!!
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19 December 2015, 11:17 AM | #24 |
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My bank (b of a) confirmed the money is out of my account and he received it. When I first made the transfer, I sent him an email showing the transfer was made and pending. Thereafter, he kept telling me he did not receive the money so I sent him another email showing that the wire was processed and not pending. My bank told me that they say it takes 2 to 3 days for a wire transfer to go through but in reality it happens once the transfer is made. Once made, you can't reverse the transfer.
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19 December 2015, 11:31 AM | #25 |
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Eyes wide shut. Never had a wire take more than a few minutes myself but I've only wired money a dozen times or so...... Interesting never the less.
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19 December 2015, 11:32 AM | #26 | |
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19 December 2015, 11:34 AM | #27 | |
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19 December 2015, 11:43 AM | #28 |
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19 December 2015, 12:35 PM | #29 |
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I hate to say this, and this is for everyone that is a relative newbie here,
Never ever wire money to anyone that has a low post count and is a fairly new member, and regardless of how many so called references they have. Always use paypal, and never send money "gifted"
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19 December 2015, 03:35 PM | #30 | |
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The only time you wire is for big money watches $20k+ and then it should be with a company or well known trust worthy dealer/collector in which money is far less important to them than their reputation. PayPal is the insurance which CANT be forgotten about with most watch transactions. It will cover the loss even when the postal carrier won't. It's the best and safest way to buy anything really. Doesn't cost too awfully much when only spending a few thousand. It's a little more than postal carriers' insurance options which don't pay or try not to pay the majority of the time. |
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