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Old 29 May 2016, 03:59 AM   #31
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Where will be panerai 10 years from now i wonder
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Old 29 May 2016, 04:00 AM   #32
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The prices are higher.



You could do a little research, maybe.


"The prices are higher". That made me burst out laughing.


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Old 29 May 2016, 04:07 AM   #33
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Owning 2 Rolexes and one AP 15400, the Rolexes are excellent watches, but the AP is at a higher level of finishing, especially the amazing bracelet.
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Old 29 May 2016, 04:41 AM   #34
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While prices are certainly higher, AP does tend to offer a much more substantial discount than Rolex.
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Old 29 May 2016, 05:28 AM   #35
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You're not kidding about Greubel and Foresy. I touched one (not tried on) a long time ago that was $750k. Gorgious but goodness...
At least you got to touch one, they wouldn't even open the door to me, and I, a fellow Englishman.

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Old 29 May 2016, 06:37 AM   #36
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"The prices are higher". That made me burst out laughing.


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Old 29 May 2016, 07:46 AM   #37
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At least you got to touch one, they wouldn't even open the door to me, and I, a fellow Englishman.

Ive only seen them at cellini waldorf in NYC. I didn't even ask to try one on, it just didn't feel right did buy a 15400 though.
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Old 29 May 2016, 07:59 AM   #38
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While prices are certainly higher, AP does tend to offer a much more substantial discount than Rolex.
I don't know about that. 20% is pretty much the on the top end of the scale of discounts for most AP models. Other than some of their SS models, Rolex seems to have about the same level of discount. Have you seen otherwise?
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Old 29 May 2016, 07:59 AM   #39
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At least you got to touch one, they wouldn't even open the door to me, and I, a fellow Englishman.

That photo looks like the window display from the GF AD in London They also are one of the largest AP ADs in the UK IIRC The owner gets his hand on some some really special AP and GF pieces!
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Old 29 May 2016, 08:07 AM   #40
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Because Rolex is playing in Europe League but AP is playing in Champions League :)
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Old 29 May 2016, 09:08 AM   #41
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Ive only seen them at cellini waldorf in NYC. I didn't even ask to try one on, it just didn't feel right did buy a 15400 though.
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That photo looks like the window display from the GF AD in London They also are one of the largest AP ADs in the UK IIRC The owner gets his hand on some some really special AP and GF pieces!
It's Marcus in Bond St, I was just kidding they let anyone in, even the French I hear...
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Old 29 May 2016, 02:30 PM   #42
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I feel AP doesn't always compete in the same market as Patek unless you are just comparing it to the Patek Nautilus series. I don't think RM really competes with Patek as their watches are very different from Patek watches. Only thing is the price ranges may overlap, but I feel Patek competes more with VC and ALS and these 3 brands are better known for their dress watches, rather than their sports watches. In this regard, Rolex probably competes more head to head with Omega with their sports watches.
AP has quite a few models in their current lineup that directly compete in the dress watch category with Vacheron, Patek and ALS. Models like the Jules Audemars and Millenary, certainly AP is best know for their sports lineup In the Royal oak, but AP goes head to head with the best of them in the dress category, particularly in the field of high complications.
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Old 29 May 2016, 02:34 PM   #43
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Stay out of the Patek store. God forbid you enter the Richard Mille or Greubel Forsey store


OP. Did you see the difference of finishing between Rolex and AP? I had both, for me Rolex is a good middle end watch brand, AP is a high end brand, you can't compare them, just look at a Rolex movement and an AP movement, 2 different worlds...
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Old 29 May 2016, 05:32 PM   #44
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It's Marcus in Bond St, I was just kidding they let anyone in, even the French I hear...
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Old 29 May 2016, 05:52 PM   #45
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It's Marcus in Bond St, I was just kidding they let anyone in, even the French I hear...
WHATTTT??? Even the french??? What an abomination, they should be ashamed having such commercial practices, we need to let people know and put a ban on that place, anyone else ok, just not the french
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Old 29 May 2016, 06:10 PM   #46
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One advantage of the Rolex is its international recognition and it's quick turnover on the grey market. Once I have reached my collection goal of 6 Rolexes, I will probably start trading in for an AP and a Lange.
Another advantage with Rolex is that you are instantly targeted by 95% of the world's criminals to bash your head and steal your watch should you walk in a dark street, much lesser chance of that happening with an AP if it's not a gold model, another great side of international brand recognition Rolex has

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I used to be all about Rolex. Then I screwed up and bought a 15400. Last week I bought a ROO 44mm SS. Now I'm in big trouble because next is a Patek. I hate this hobby.
Well yeah, you are pretty much screwed if just after getting the ROO you're thinking Patek

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Old 29 May 2016, 06:19 PM   #47
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In the Horological hierarchy

AP are more like a Bentley, more prestigious and more exclusive

PP are the Rolls Royce of watches
Lange are the Aston Martins
Richard Mille are the Bugatti Veyron
I'll go along with most of this, but I do not think of Rolex as a BMW. A Rolex is a tank!

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rolex is good to start with...eventually ap, along, patek and then RM

I'm done with rolex

the only thing i lust after now is an RM and a minute repeater
Horses for courses.

I was into Rolex for decades. Then I bought two APs (and almost bought a Patek). Had them for a year before coming home to Rolex and going PM. Couldn't be happier.
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Old 29 May 2016, 08:51 PM   #48
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AP has quite a few models in their current lineup that directly compete in the dress watch category with Vacheron, Patek and ALS. Models like the Jules Audemars and Millenary, certainly AP is best know for their sports lineup In the Royal oak, but AP goes head to head with the best of them in the dress category, particularly in the field of high complications.
I was looking at some of their JAs and some of their simple dress pieces were very nice. I'll put some pics up.

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WHATTTT??? Even the french??? What an abomination, they should be ashamed having such commercial practices, we need to let people know and put a ban on that place, anyone else ok, just not the french
Just kidding Arnaud, we love you guys really.
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The question is why Rolex is so expensive. Back when the Royal Oak was released I believe it was like thirteen times more expensive than the Submariner, look at the price difference now.
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Old 29 May 2016, 10:55 PM   #50
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The question is why Rolex is so expensive. Back when the Royal Oak was released I believe it was like thirteen times more expensive than the Submariner, look at the price difference now.
When was that? The early 70's?
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Old 29 May 2016, 10:58 PM   #51
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I used to be all about Rolex. Then I screwed up and bought a 15400. Last week I bought a ROO 44mm SS. Now I'm in big trouble because next is a Patek. I hate this hobby.
variety is good... Heard JLC was just as good as Patek
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When was that? The early 70's?
Yes, 1972
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Old 30 May 2016, 11:39 AM   #53
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variety is good... Heard JLC was just as good as Patek
As a movement making yes, their watches do not have the same level of finishing though, unless you look at their very high end. But the price reflects this too.
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Old 1 June 2016, 01:32 AM   #54
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In the Horological hierarchy

I feel that Rolex are like a BMW, sub = 3 series, Daytona = 5 series, PM= 7 series. Of course you can get the DSSD as your X5

AP are more like a Bentley, more prestigious and more exclusive

PP are the Rolls Royce of watches
Lange are the Aston Martins
Richard Mille are the Bugatti Veyron
Spot on....

I have said this in a previous post but used Mercedes instead of BMW and some people thought that was accurate!
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Why is Rolex more expensive than tag? Same reasons apply to Rolex vs AP.


I always wonder why people say that go from Rolex to AP then to Patek and finally RM. At first I thought about going down this path but AP really has two levels of watches. Their entry level RO and ROOs and then their perpetual calendars, tourbillons, concepts, grand comps, etc. I've tried to get a Patek but I like sport watches so Patek does nothing for me and while I love RM I would rather have a schumi lap timer or ROO tourbillon chrono over an RM. Both movements are made by APRP and AP has a way stronger history and will be in business and independent much longer.
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Old 1 June 2016, 10:23 PM   #56
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This is a very subjective argument. Rolex are super reliable and built like tanks personally when spending 25k on a precious metal Rolex I think some would want the attention


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Why is Rolex more expensive than tag? Same reasons apply to Rolex vs AP.


I always wonder why people say that go from Rolex to AP then to Patek and finally RM. At first I thought about going down this path but AP really has two levels of watches. Their entry level RO and ROOs and then their perpetual calendars, tourbillons, concepts, grand comps, etc. I've tried to get a Patek but I like sport watches so Patek does nothing for me and while I love RM I would rather have a schumi lap timer or ROO tourbillon chrono over an RM. Both movements are made by APRP and AP has a way stronger history and will be in business and independent much longer.
The PP Nautilus is a beautiful sports watch like the 15400.
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Old 2 June 2016, 06:36 AM   #58
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Why does it seem that Audmars Piguet are more expensive than Rolex?

Absolutely is! And VC's are growing on me too!


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Old 2 June 2016, 07:06 AM   #59
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The PP Nautilus is a beautiful sports watch like the 15400.
I agree it is a beautiful dressy sports watch but it is not a step up from the RO. The comment was more on people saying they "move up" from AP to Patrk. If considering the entire RO vs nautilus lines the RO of MUCH more complex. AP is killing it with the addition of the perpetual calendar, skeleton, tourbillions, grande comps, etc. Patek has the 5990 chrono/travel time, an annual calendar....

AP also has the ROO line that is more sporty than anything Patek has. They compare much better to RM with their higher end complications and both movements are made by APRP anyway.

I really hope Patek does somethings outside the box for the 40th anniversary of the nautilus. A 42mm version, a skeleton, perpetual calendar, etc. I love Patek as a brand but I want a sports watch from them that I'll love wearing. At this point I would rather save for a complicated AP.

I also prefer Patek over AP in the dress watch market but I have no need for a dress watch.
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I agree it is a beautiful dressy sports watch but it is not a step up from the RO. The comment was more on people saying they "move up" from AP to Patrk. If considering the entire RO vs nautilus lines the RO of MUCH more complex. AP is killing it with the addition of the perpetual calendar, skeleton, tourbillions, grande comps, etc. Patek has the 5990 chrono/travel time, an annual calendar....

AP also has the ROO line that is more sporty than anything Patek has. They compare much better to RM with their higher end complications and both movements are made by APRP anyway.

I really hope Patek does somethings outside the box for the 40th anniversary of the nautilus. A 42mm version, a skeleton, perpetual calendar, etc. I love Patek as a brand but I want a sports watch from them that I'll love wearing. At this point I would rather save for a complicated AP.

I also prefer Patek over AP in the dress watch market but I have no need for a dress watch.
Since there is no thanks option of which your post is worthy of I will just say.....

Thanks!!!!!!!
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