Price of a GMT-II??

[Marrk]

Hey, careless, what makes you such an expert?












I have seen half a dozen 3186 Roman M-series Cokes in the last few days (new at ADs). Guess you meant just Pepsis in your Point #1, huh?

Your "observations" are very entertaining.

Originally Posted by 2careless

Following are my observations on 16710 (I got a M serial stick with 3186 so I'm an interested party by default):
1. M serials all come with stick or box dials.
2. Roman dials are made until middle of Z serials, and late Z's have all 3 dials, some Z's have 3186 movement and it's sort of random between 3185/86.
3. It can be assumed reasonably that all M serials 16710 have 3186 movements. I've yet to see one post contrary to this (i.e. M serial and has a 3185).
4. Regarding whether one can fit a 3186 from 116710 GMT2c into the old case of 16710, a different rotor is required, see http://www.rolexforums.com/showpost....2&postcount=57.

As to whether the stick/box dials 16710 are more collectable, I think it is a "fad" thing. There are many traders jacking up the prices of these "end of the season" stock and since Rolex cannot produce a red/black or red/blue ceramic bezel, the demands on 16710 pepsi/coke will continue to be there. I expect once Rolex overcomes the production problems on the TT bezels and start producing ceramic pepsi, 16710 prices will drop back to more sustainable levels.

[MrCowboy99]

IMO ..

I think it's the same force driving price that the Red dials did to Subs, hence the price. Time will tell.

[2careless]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Hey, careless, what makes you such an expert?

I have seen half a dozen 3186 Roman M-series Cokes in the last few days (new at ADs). Guess you meant just Pepsis in your Point #1, huh?

Your "observations" are very entertaining.

Mark, if there are M serial roman dials then post a pic please. Since our ADs here don't have any 16710s my only info comes from forums, ebay and other online sellers. My 100min is still not up so I can still edit my last post hahaha and I did :)

BTW, there are lots of people wanting to buy the last 16710s. Care to stitch up some deals for them?

[Marrk]

Dude, you're only info comes from sitting at your laptop. You may wish to consider that fact when you make your authoritative statements . . . granted, you said they were "observations," but how about a more rigorous approach to keeping the info pool clean? It doesn't do much good to bring unqualified internet data to TRF and pretend that it means anything.

As for posting pics: Do you think I walk around town photographing every watch that I see? Again, I suggest you lift your ass out of your chair and take a good, long walk in the non-cyber world.

Originally Posted by 2careless

Mark, if there are M serial roman dials then post a pic please. Since our ADs here don't have any 16710s my only info comes from forums, ebay and other online sellers. My 100min is still not up so I can still edit my last post hahaha

[2careless]

Originally Posted by Marrk

Dude, you're only info comes from sitting at your laptop. You may wish to consider that fact when you make your authoritative statements . . . granted, you said they were "observations," but how about a more rigorous approach to keeping the info pool clean? It doesn't do much good to bring unqualified internet data to TRF and pretend that it means anything.

As for posting pics: Do you think I walk around town photographing every watch that I see? Again, I suggest you lift your ass out of your chair and take a good, long walk in the non-cyber world.

Mate, I gave my opinion based on my observations from various ebay auctions and online sellers. You went to ADs looking at watches. You can say yours is more authentic, so what? I offered my point of view and you have done yours. No need to tell me to "lift your ass out of your chair", that's very unfriendly Mark.

[Marrk]

You have my apologies. I didn't mean to be unfriendly. However, I stand by my comments. TRF is a forum that exists above the waterline of most internet chatter and we are all grateful for that. Keeping TRF on-point, precise and accurate seems like a worthwhile goal. In addition to having fun and being friendly about it.

I hope to visit your country some day. Everyone here, without exception, says that it is marvelous, especially Melbourne and Sydney.

Originally Posted by 2careless

Mate, I gave my opinion based on my observations from various ebay auctions and online sellers. You went to ADs looking at watches. You can say yours is more authentic, so what? I offered my point of view and you have done yours. No need to tell me to "lift your ass out of your chair", that's very unfriendly Mark.

[2careless]

Thanks and appreciated Mark I would have gone to our local ADs, build up relationships etc if they were more customer focused. So far our local ones are all lacking these essential qualties and I'd rather buy things from Internet and from overseas ADs, which are cheaper and also more gratifying.

I do concur that we should maintain TRF's high standards. So far apart from my #1 observations, which one is not correct? Please enlighten me.

[Marrk]

In L.A., we have few indie ADs and a plague of chain stores. The chain stores (and some of the indies) are like used car salesmen. Simply awful. In fact, I have recently passed on a few watches that I wanted simply because the sales staff was so bad. I envy our fellows in far-away places like FL and GA, who turn up SS Daytonas whenever they want and have ADs who are civilized.

I don't have any hard info concerning your other points. I couldn't begin to guess. Although, personally, I haven't come across an M-series 16710 that did not pass the wiggle test.

Originally Posted by 2careless

Thanks and appreciated Mark I would have gone to our local ADs, build up relationships etc if they were more customer focused. So far our local ones are all lacking these essential qualties and I'd rather buy things from Internet and from overseas ADs, which are cheaper and also more gratifying.

I do concur that we should maintain TRF's high standards. So far apart from my #1 observations, which one is not correct? Please enlighten me.

[oworkman]

What about the Z serials with 3185?? Last of the old movement. These surely will become a classic and in some ways truer to the GMT II.

[superdelsol]

In March, 2008 I was shopping for a 16710. I found every bezel variety available at ADs for the pre-price increase price of $5075. I ended up buying a mint pre-loved 16710 from 2000 with box, papers, 2 year warranty and saved $1700. All of this happened before I knew anything about the existance of 16710's with the 3186. I have no way of knowing if any of the new watches had the 3186, and it doesn't matter to me. I love the GMT-Master II, and won't sell it, so the re-sale value doesn't really matter. The money I saved can go towards another watch.

My problem now is that I have my eye on a 2004 Sea-Dweller and a 2006 Submariner Date. Both have boxes, papers etc. and both are priced the same, at $4500. They are the same but different. I'm liking the Sea-Dweller, but the Submariner is just so ROLEX.