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Old 8 July 2017, 04:33 AM   #91
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funny how easily we give up our choices and freedoms
for scientific computer generated climate change that isn't even proven as fact ...
while others procuring the propaganda are laughing all the way to the bank !!!!
I for one don't believe the propaganda... The earth has had its cycles of warming
and cooling for thousands of years ... The only thing France is doing is
lining the pockets of those lobbying and its clients pushing the agenda...


You still haven't answered my question from post 65. I raised it also in post 43. Please explain how choice and freedom apply in the fact that tesla is prohibited from selling direct to consumers in a blatant attack on free market principles designed as a barrier to entry for the purpose of limiting consumer choice .

Saying not allowing diesel cars limits choices (as is the topic posed by the OP), but not having an issue with Tesla being limited from accessing consumers by selling directly is to their customers is hypocritical.

Do you only support freedom of choice for the things you want to buy but think limiting freedom of choice for a product you are not interested in is ok?
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Old 8 July 2017, 05:27 AM   #92
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You still haven't answered my question from post 65. I raised it also in post 43. Please explain how choice and freedom apply in the fact that tesla is prohibited from selling direct to consumers in a blatant attack on free market principles designed as a barrier to entry for the purpose of limiting consumer choice .

Saying not allowing diesel cars limits choices (as is the topic posed by the OP), but not having an issue with Tesla being limited from accessing consumers by selling directly is to their customers is hypocritical.

Do you only support freedom of choice for the things you want to buy but think limiting freedom of choice for a product you are not interested in is ok?
Tesla can sell to whoever they wish to as far as I'm concerned.
I'm not opposed to free market . I never said I wasn't interested in
electric cars or hybrids. Actually I never mentioned any of that .
All I was trying to say is one shouldn't be forced either way to purchase
a product shoved down the throat by any government entity ..
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Curious. If the United States were to eventually phase-out gasoline powered cars as well, would this also spell the end of NASCAR and the Indianapolis 500?

I'm trying to picture an all-electric car race. The lack of any engine sounds would make for a very different kind of spectator experience. Would the crowds even be able to stay awake while watching such an endeavor for 3-4 hours?



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Old 8 July 2017, 05:50 AM   #94
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You still haven't answered my question from post 65. I raised it also in post 43. Please explain how choice and freedom apply in the fact that tesla is prohibited from selling direct to consumers in a blatant attack on free market principles designed as a barrier to entry for the purpose of limiting consumer choice .

Saying not allowing diesel cars limits choices (as is the topic posed by the OP), but not having an issue with Tesla being limited from accessing consumers by selling directly is to their customers is hypocritical.

Do you only support freedom of choice for the things you want to buy but think limiting freedom of choice for a product you are not interested in is ok?
With all these free market concerns, why does no one mention the C$5billion of tax payer's money Elon was given?

It's hardly a free market when the government has already chosen the winner.
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Old 8 July 2017, 05:56 AM   #95
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With all these free market concerns, why does no one mention the C$5billion of tax payer's money Elon was given?

It's hardly a free market when the government has already chosen the winner.
The government here gave me a $7700 rebate on the purchase of my hybrid (a BMW). I guess they like them all
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Old 8 July 2017, 05:57 AM   #96
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With all these free market concerns, why does no one mention the C$5billion of tax payer's money Elon was given?

It's hardly a free market when the government has already chosen the winner.
how much were the other large car manufacturers given during the bailout?
last time I checked that was taxpayer money as well.

Hard to keep up the free mark concerns when the government has already chosen ALL of the winners.
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Old 8 July 2017, 06:06 AM   #97
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Climate change is a natural Earthly occurrence. Global temperatures have been shifting back and forth since Day 1 (long before any automobiles and factories).

The gradual and ongoing destruction of the ozone layer due to modern industrialization is a different story as its effects have a direct impact on the survival/overall health of all life in general. The causal factors attributed to it can be monitored and controlled.
Some greenie weenies want us all to become Vegan, that way all the methane gas produced by farm animals won't ruin the ozone layer! Don't laugh, some really believe this and take it seriously. All I can do is laugh out loud while I grill my filet mignon on the Weber kettle.
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Old 8 July 2017, 07:12 AM   #98
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Some greenie weenies want us all to become Vegan, that way all the methane gas produced by farm animals won't ruin the ozone layer! Don't laugh, some really believe this and take it seriously. All I can do is laugh out loud while I grill my filet mignon on the Weber kettle.


Lol that really is true. Have you even read up anything at all on this subject?

I eat steak I'm just saying...better to say nothing than to expose your naïveté
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Solyndra,(makers of solar panels) filed for bankruptcy after getting 535 million in taxpayer money....now that's being green.
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Old 8 July 2017, 08:14 AM   #100
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In a city, I can see it but for an entire country? That will be interesting
Don't they all ride super modern trains, anyway?
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Old 8 July 2017, 08:24 AM   #101
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In principal, I agree with you.

IMHO though, this is just the tip of the iceberg. We, as a species, are going through ALL of our natural resources.

And we are over populating at a ridiculous rate. I heard a pretty decent Bill Mahr dialogue where he talks about the best thing someone can do to reduce their carbon footprint is to not have a child.

Not to get off topic, but this planet will eventually cull the heard. It can't support our rate of growth. And in the near future, famine and disease will most definitely be the start of a new era of how our species survives on this planet.

IMHO, I figure we should enjoy it while we still got it. There is nothing we can do at this point. We are on a collision course that simply can't be stopped.
This. Overpopulation has been the greatest threat to the planet for a long time.
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Just curious as I really do not know.

What are they going to do with all those batteries that come out of the electric cars?
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Old 8 July 2017, 09:03 AM   #103
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I wonder how they will tax electricity.

In Europe governments add a $4 or so levy per gallon on fuel as a tax under the guise that it is encouraging drivers to make less pollution when it's obviously because of the billions in revenue it brings in.

Funny how they are promoting electric cars now, in 2040 I bet they will be "deadly to the environment" like petrol
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Old 8 July 2017, 10:33 AM   #104
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How about this people...I'm 58 years old and one the first things I can remember about science is that plants/trees use CO2 and the turn it into what ? come on we all know the answer,,O2 !! Then when I was in college it was Deforestation !! All the trees being cut down around the Equator the worlds heart the one thing that runs the worlds weather. Well shit seems pretty simple to me how about we stop wasting all the time and money talking this to death and just plant a crap load of trees.Just give those poor ass people who live in those places a little cash to stop cutting down trees just to burn it for their primitive existence. They cut down the very thing that has keep this little rock alive and then turn around and pollute it when they burn it,, twice the fun.And why is it that it's always the US that is first to get kicked in the nuts when China is pumping out 2xs as much crap into the air than the US does and the US emission are about the same as they where in the early 90s. Oh and one more little factoid, you know all those dinosaur fossils they find in the Dakotas? I'm almost certain that way back when that was a tropical swamp .HHMMMM yup climate change does happen. But I'm still betting on that turd that runs North Korea that will put an end to this world,,,any one else here want some of this action ??
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The expansion of urban/suburban areas in SA has led to mass deforestation. Can't really fault the natives as the blame purely falls on developers and land speculators.

The US is also depleting its natural lumber supply as forest renewal takes time and the new plantings aren't keeping up with the ongoing demands for more construction wood.

In the long run, our great-grandchildren will probably end up living in an IKEA world of pressed-sawdust home furnishings having rarely had the opportunity to cross paths with real wood.
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This. Overpopulation has been the greatest threat to the planet for a long time.
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Old 8 July 2017, 02:49 PM   #107
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Just curious as I really do not know.

What are they going to do with all those batteries that come out of the electric cars?
There is a whole industry built around recycling them. It's not nearly as inefficient as it was when hybrids were first introduced.
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Old 8 July 2017, 03:20 PM   #108
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With all these free market concerns, why does no one mention the C$5billion of tax payer's money Elon was given?



It's hardly a free market when the government has already chosen the winner.


^^^ THIS.^^^^

Is the correct answer.


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The future? France to ban sale of gas and diesel vehicles by 2040

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How about this people...I'm 58 years old and one the first things I can remember about science is that plants/trees use CO2 and the turn it into what ? come on we all know the answer,,O2 !! Then when I was in college it was Deforestation !! All the trees being cut down around the Equator the worlds heart the one thing that runs the worlds weather. Well shit seems pretty simple to me how about we stop wasting all the time and money talking this to death and just plant a crap load of trees.Just give those poor ass people who live in those places a little cash to stop cutting down trees just to burn it for their primitive existence. They cut down the very thing that has keep this little rock alive and then turn around and pollute it when they burn it,, twice the fun.And why is it that it's always the US that is first to get kicked in the nuts when China is pumping out 2xs as much crap into the air than the US does and the US emission are about the same as they where in the early 90s. Oh and one more little factoid, you know all those dinosaur fossils they find in the Dakotas? I'm almost certain that way back when that was a tropical swamp .HHMMMM yup climate change does happen. But I'm still betting on that turd that runs North Korea that will put an end to this world,,,any one else here want some of this action ??


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