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ragingcao · 3 March 2018, 06:20 PM

Check the washing machine/dryer? Refrigerator? The most uncommon spots you could think of? Just throwing it out there.

TitanCi · 3 March 2018, 06:33 PM

I don't think it made it to the cleaners. If it did: 1) you probably would have noticed the weight 2) you probably would have heard it bang on the counter when handing it over to them.

What makes you certain your cleaners don't have it though?

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jimcameron · 4 March 2018, 12:16 AM

Try and remember the last time you had it on. Do you have a specific place where you put your watch when you take it off? Hope things work out.

DCVT · 5 March 2018, 09:26 AM

I've checked everywhere in my house and car, torn both apart, nothing. Went by the drycleaner again yesterday, they continue to deny that they have seen it so not sure how to proceed with that angle. Would gray dealers buy a white dial 16500LN without box or papers? How could someone sell that watch, it seems like it would be highly suspicious. Again, thanks for thoughts and well wishes.

mrporter · 5 March 2018, 09:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCVT

I've checked everywhere in my house and car, torn both apart, nothing. Went by the drycleaner again yesterday, they continue to deny that they have seen it so not sure how to proceed with that angle. Would gray dealers buy a white dial 16500LN without box or papers? How could someone sell that watch, it seems like it would be highly suspicious. Again, thanks for thoughts and well wishes.

Yes that’s probably suspicious selling 16500 without box. Maybe post a story on your facebook, I’m sure your friends will repost the story etc so more awareness around your location. Not sure if there any Rolex FB page specifically for your location, there’s even Instagram page like @stolenwatches that can help repost as well. Goos luck!

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DCVT · 5 March 2018, 09:56 AM

Thanks, extremely helpful! I live in a pretty small town, it would be hard not to notice such a watch for sale through any of the normal means. In case anyone is reading this and locates the watch I am prepared to offer a cash reward...not sure how much is appropriate but considering $500.

bdddubs925 · 5 March 2018, 10:14 AM

The bad thing about where you live it’s 4 hours away from a couple major cities so it would be easy to flip. Good luck.

DCVT · 5 March 2018, 10:20 AM

Thanks bdddubs, I'm just wondering how one would do that: just sell the watch for an absurdly low price to a gray market seller, who would then sell it to an unscrupulous buyer? Such a buyer would have to be suspicious of this model being sold without box/papers. Plus if the watch ever enters an AD it will raise a red flag ( I hope) due to being on the Watch Register, right? Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part.

bdddubs925 · 5 March 2018, 01:25 PM

maybe the culprit realizes the risks involved in selling the piece and says to himself ‘ damn that’s a nice piece, I’m going to keep it for myself, and only wear it at in my abode’. (Which I hope isn’t the case) I’m just glad you have it insured, you should be able to get one pretty easily with the money you get from your insurance company. Maybe a Grandma Millers pie will turn that frown upside down :)

hbombkid · 5 March 2018, 01:32 PM

I think you mentioned it’s insured at this point file a claim get a new watch. No need to stress it happens. Just get a new watch move on. Now not sure what would happen if you file a claim then find the thing.

datejust24 · 5 March 2018, 01:37 PM

You’ve unfortunately lost what to most is the most sought after Rolex reference available (no offense but that is most def not me!!)..or should I say not really available?... selling the watch w out box and papers even if stolen wouldn’t be too big of an issue for someone who does such lowlife shit, and not necessarily for cheap at that...not trying to take the wind from your sails, just being honest...hopefully it turns up and this can be chalked up as a close call

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 08:53 AM

I hate to belabor my own issue here but am I crazy to think that this could be my watch?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Cosmo...cAAOSwYBxaoBWQ

It seems shady that the model would be offered at something of a discount without papers. What are the protocols here? I sent the seller a request to verify the serial number and I forwarded to the police in my town and my AD. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Al1969 · 12 March 2018, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCVT

I hate to belabor my own issue here but am I crazy to think that this could be my watch?

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Cosmo...cAAOSwYBxaoBWQ

It seems shady that the model would be offered at something of a discount without papers. What are the protocols here? I sent the seller a request to verify the serial number and I forwarded to the police in my town and my AD. Any thoughts are appreciated.

Where does it say no papers? Simply contact the seller and ask him to provide you with a partial pic of warranty card and same numbers visible on the watch.
If he claims not to have the card, then partial serial number on the watch. Assuming you have your serial # recorded somewhere check for a possible match.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 09:06 AM

I copied and pasted from the eBay listing below. I have asked the seller to check against the serial number for my watch (159185Y8), but I don't know what their obligation is to tell me. Or they could just lie to me and I don't know what recourse I may have. I guess I am looking for thoughts on whether or not it seems odd to sell this watch without papers, or any other general thoughts or ideas on how to proceed. I am going to call their shop tomorrow AM to see what they say.

ROLEX COSMOGRAPH DAYTONA STAINLESS STEEL WATCH

REF:116500LN

CASE:40MM

WRIST SIZE UP TO 7.5 INCHES

AGE OF WATCH 2017

SKU:2-18

PRICE INCLUDES ALL CUSTOMS+TAX

100% AUTHENTIC WITH BOX WITHOUT PAPERS

JohnLT · 12 March 2018, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Al1969

Where does it say no papers? Simply contact the seller and ask him to provide you with a partial pic of warranty card and same numbers visible on the watch.
If he claims not to have the card, then partial serial number on the watch. Assuming you have your serial # recorded somewhere check for a possible match.

The ad clearly states "100% AUTHENTIC WITH BOX WITHOUT PAPERS"

OP why do you think its yours?

JohnLT · 12 March 2018, 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by DCVT

I guess I am looking for thoughts on whether or not it seems odd to sell this watch without papers, or any other general thoughts or ideas on how to proceed. I am going to call their shop tomorrow AM to see what they say.

I don't think its odd at all. I see lots of watches sell without papers. Most people who buy luxury items tend not to care about those things.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 09:17 AM

I don't know that it is mine of course, and maybe it's a healthy dose of wishful thinking on my part, but my watch has been missing for almost two weeks from VT, I have turned my car/house upside down trying to find it and sussed out every option, and then I see this watch for sale on eBay without papers. It just seems weird that this watch, which is pretty popular, would turn up for sale without papers. Like I said, not trying to waste anyone's time, I guess this is a new situation for me (having a stolen watch like this) and looking for advice from folks with more experience than I have.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 09:20 AM

Thanks for the feedback JohnLT, I agree that many watches sell without papers, but this specific watch seems uniquely desirable right now and is still in production. Maybe I'm wrong, but my rationale is that this specific watch is less likely to hit the secondary market without papers. Either way, does anyone have experience in dealing with potentially stolen watches on eBay?

Al1969 · 12 March 2018, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCVT

I copied and pasted from the eBay listing below. I have asked the seller to check against the serial number for my watch (159185Y8), but I don't know what their obligation is to tell me. Or they could just lie to me and I don't know what recourse I may have. I guess I am looking for thoughts on whether or not it seems odd to sell this watch without papers, or any other general thoughts or ideas on how to proceed. I am going to call their shop tomorrow AM to see what they say.

ROLEX COSMOGRAPH DAYTONA STAINLESS STEEL WATCH

REF:116500LN

CASE:40MM

WRIST SIZE UP TO 7.5 INCHES

AGE OF WATCH 2017

SKU:2-18

PRICE INCLUDES ALL CUSTOMS+TAX

100% AUTHENTIC WITH BOX WITHOUT PAPERS

I see it OP. Didn’t bother to scroll down. I’d just contact/call the seller and inquire why they don’t have the papers and get more background on how they acquired the watch.
I think if you’re dealing with an honest seller he shouldn’t have a problem providing you partial SN. Give it a shot.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 09:24 AM

Thanks Al1969. In retrospect I should have called "incognito" and asked about the serial number, instead of just emailing them and giving them the serial number of my missing watch (which then gives them the ability to just say, no, it's a different number). Maybe I should flag to eBay as possibly lost/stolen.

Al1969 · 12 March 2018, 09:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dcvt

thanks al1969. In retrospect i should have called "incognito" and asked about the serial number, instead of just emailing them and giving them the serial number of my missing watch (which then gives them the ability to just say, no, it's a different number). Maybe i should flag to ebay as possibly lost/stolen.

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DoctorA · 12 March 2018, 09:34 AM

Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully you’ll find it. Look in your office, couches between the covers.....etc.

JohnLT · 12 March 2018, 09:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DCVT

Thanks for the feedback JohnLT, I agree that many watches sell without papers, but this specific watch seems uniquely desirable right now and is still in production. Maybe I'm wrong, but my rationale is that this specific watch is less likely to hit the secondary market without papers. Either way, does anyone have experience in dealing with potentially stolen watches on eBay?

I was just wondering if there was anything that stood out on this particular watch. There is no harm in asking seller about serial and lack of papers. Good luck.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 09:46 AM

Nothing specifically stands out, other than this is a hard to find watch right now and it seems strange that they would not have papers.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 09:51 AM

New data: another TRF member on this thread contacted the seller on eBay and asked why they did not have papers. The seller responded immediately and claimed that the person from whom they bought the watch misplaced them. The TRF member then asked the seller to send just a few of the digits from the SN but the seller refused. I mean, am I being paranoid here? The eBay seller did not respond to me at all.

Jim Smyth · 12 March 2018, 10:03 AM

There are a lot of those watches out there. Not having papers/card doesnt mean its stolen. Some people dont want there information out there after they get rid of the watch. Some just dont care about paperwork at all. The serial number is key. You handled it the wrong way already giving him the missing watches serial IMO. So now even if it is stolen he wont be responding to you.

DCVT · 12 March 2018, 10:08 AM

Thanks Jim, I agree that I made a dumb move but I felt like I was appealing to the better instincts of people (foolishly and hastily). The fact now seems to be that 1) the seller did not respond to me at all and 2) that the seller did respond to another inquiry (after mine) several times and adamantly refused to even give three digits from the SN. I am not a pro logician or anything but seems... questionable. Incidentally this is the site for the seller, which looks to be a booth in the "Jewelers on Fifth" in midtown:

https://www.ajlikeswatches.com/

Does anyone have experience with these folks?

Arthur Daley · 12 March 2018, 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by DCVT

I'm pretty distraught here, either lost my new Daytona or it went to the dry cleaner in my shirt pocket. The dry cleaner denies having seen it (I believe them), but cannot find the watch in my house. It's possible that it's been stolen but seems unlikely.

Any advice is appreciated: does the Watch Register work? I have already called both jewelry stores in my town and the police in case someone tries to sell it. At a loss and feeling powerless.

I have nothing of value to share here... just wanted to say that I'm sorry for your loss!

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mrporter · 12 March 2018, 10:19 AM

I agree, there are some people out there that doesn’t really care about papers. But I always assume these people are those that casually buy rolex just because they have money. Now the question, if it’s true for this case, why do they need to flip the watch? There’s a reason why the rolex box have that paper/card compartment, don’t see why you need to store the paper/card separately

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DCVT · 12 March 2018, 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arthur Daley

I have nothing of value to share here... just wanted to say that I'm sorry for your loss!

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Thanks Arthur, that's very kind of you.

12 March 2018, 09:34 AM	#82
DoctorA "TRF" Member Join Date: Oct 2017 Location: USA Posts: 6,545	Sorry to hear about that. Hopefully you’ll find it. Look in your office, couches between the covers.....etc. __________________ Wear the watch you like, not the one they tell you to wear!

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mrporter "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Singapore Posts: 295	I agree, there are some people out there that doesn’t really care about papers. But I always assume these people are those that casually buy rolex just because they have money. Now the question, if it’s true for this case, why do they need to flip the watch? There’s a reason why the rolex box have that paper/card compartment, don’t see why you need to store the paper/card separately Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk __________________ Instagram @mr.karushi

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3 March 2018, 06:20 PM	#61
ragingcao "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Tokyo Watch: cha talking about? Posts: 2,919	Check the washing machine/dryer? Refrigerator? The most uncommon spots you could think of? Just throwing it out there.

3 March 2018, 06:33 PM	#62
TitanCi "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: California Posts: 555	I don't think it made it to the cleaners. If it did: 1) you probably would have noticed the weight 2) you probably would have heard it bang on the counter when handing it over to them. What makes you certain your cleaners don't have it though? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

4 March 2018, 12:16 AM	#63
jimcameron "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: ByDawns Earlylite Watch: 16800 Posts: 3,580	Try and remember the last time you had it on. Do you have a specific place where you put your watch when you take it off? Hope things work out.

5 March 2018, 09:26 AM	#64
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	I've checked everywhere in my house and car, torn both apart, nothing. Went by the drycleaner again yesterday, they continue to deny that they have seen it so not sure how to proceed with that angle. Would gray dealers buy a white dial 16500LN without box or papers? How could someone sell that watch, it seems like it would be highly suspicious. Again, thanks for thoughts and well wishes.

5 March 2018, 09:56 AM	#66
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	Thanks, extremely helpful! I live in a pretty small town, it would be hard not to notice such a watch for sale through any of the normal means. In case anyone is reading this and locates the watch I am prepared to offer a cash reward...not sure how much is appropriate but considering $500.

5 March 2018, 10:14 AM	#67
bdddubs925 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Ca Posts: 36	The bad thing about where you live it’s 4 hours away from a couple major cities so it would be easy to flip. Good luck.

5 March 2018, 10:20 AM	#68
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	Thanks bdddubs, I'm just wondering how one would do that: just sell the watch for an absurdly low price to a gray market seller, who would then sell it to an unscrupulous buyer? Such a buyer would have to be suspicious of this model being sold without box/papers. Plus if the watch ever enters an AD it will raise a red flag ( I hope) due to being on the Watch Register, right? Maybe this is just wishful thinking on my part.

5 March 2018, 01:25 PM	#69
bdddubs925 Banned Join Date: Dec 2016 Location: Ca Posts: 36	maybe the culprit realizes the risks involved in selling the piece and says to himself ‘ damn that’s a nice piece, I’m going to keep it for myself, and only wear it at in my abode’. (Which I hope isn’t the case) I’m just glad you have it insured, you should be able to get one pretty easily with the money you get from your insurance company. Maybe a Grandma Millers pie will turn that frown upside down :)

5 March 2018, 01:32 PM	#70
hbombkid "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2014 Location: VA Watch: Sub 116610 Posts: 1,082	I think you mentioned it’s insured at this point file a claim get a new watch. No need to stress it happens. Just get a new watch move on. Now not sure what would happen if you file a claim then find the thing.

5 March 2018, 01:37 PM	#71
datejust24 "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Real Name: Chris Location: Cincinnati,Ohio Watch: Rolexssss Posts: 3,504	You’ve unfortunately lost what to most is the most sought after Rolex reference available (no offense but that is most def not me!!)..or should I say not really available?... selling the watch w out box and papers even if stolen wouldn’t be too big of an issue for someone who does such lowlife shit, and not necessarily for cheap at that...not trying to take the wind from your sails, just being honest...hopefully it turns up and this can be chalked up as a close call

12 March 2018, 08:53 AM	#72
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	I hate to belabor my own issue here but am I crazy to think that this could be my watch? https://www.ebay.com/itm/Rolex-Cosmo...cAAOSwYBxaoBWQ It seems shady that the model would be offered at something of a discount without papers. What are the protocols here? I sent the seller a request to verify the serial number and I forwarded to the police in my town and my AD. Any thoughts are appreciated.

12 March 2018, 09:06 AM	#74
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	I copied and pasted from the eBay listing below. I have asked the seller to check against the serial number for my watch (159185Y8), but I don't know what their obligation is to tell me. Or they could just lie to me and I don't know what recourse I may have. I guess I am looking for thoughts on whether or not it seems odd to sell this watch without papers, or any other general thoughts or ideas on how to proceed. I am going to call their shop tomorrow AM to see what they say. ROLEX COSMOGRAPH DAYTONA STAINLESS STEEL WATCH REF:116500LN CASE:40MM WRIST SIZE UP TO 7.5 INCHES AGE OF WATCH 2017 SKU:2-18 PRICE INCLUDES ALL CUSTOMS+TAX 100% AUTHENTIC WITH BOX WITHOUT PAPERS

12 March 2018, 09:17 AM	#77
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	I don't know that it is mine of course, and maybe it's a healthy dose of wishful thinking on my part, but my watch has been missing for almost two weeks from VT, I have turned my car/house upside down trying to find it and sussed out every option, and then I see this watch for sale on eBay without papers. It just seems weird that this watch, which is pretty popular, would turn up for sale without papers. Like I said, not trying to waste anyone's time, I guess this is a new situation for me (having a stolen watch like this) and looking for advice from folks with more experience than I have.

12 March 2018, 09:20 AM	#78
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	Thanks for the feedback JohnLT, I agree that many watches sell without papers, but this specific watch seems uniquely desirable right now and is still in production. Maybe I'm wrong, but my rationale is that this specific watch is less likely to hit the secondary market without papers. Either way, does anyone have experience in dealing with potentially stolen watches on eBay?

12 March 2018, 09:24 AM	#80
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	Thanks Al1969. In retrospect I should have called "incognito" and asked about the serial number, instead of just emailing them and giving them the serial number of my missing watch (which then gives them the ability to just say, no, it's a different number). Maybe I should flag to eBay as possibly lost/stolen.

12 March 2018, 09:46 AM	#84
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	Nothing specifically stands out, other than this is a hard to find watch right now and it seems strange that they would not have papers.

12 March 2018, 09:51 AM	#85
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	New data: another TRF member on this thread contacted the seller on eBay and asked why they did not have papers. The seller responded immediately and claimed that the person from whom they bought the watch misplaced them. The TRF member then asked the seller to send just a few of the digits from the SN but the seller refused. I mean, am I being paranoid here? The eBay seller did not respond to me at all.

12 March 2018, 10:03 AM	#86
Jim Smyth Banned Join Date: Nov 2013 Real Name: Jim Smyth Location: Florida Watch: DD Posts: 1,842	There are a lot of those watches out there. Not having papers/card doesnt mean its stolen. Some people dont want there information out there after they get rid of the watch. Some just dont care about paperwork at all. The serial number is key. You handled it the wrong way already giving him the missing watches serial IMO. So now even if it is stolen he wont be responding to you.

12 March 2018, 10:08 AM	#87
DCVT "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2018 Location: Dorset, VT Posts: 25	Thanks Jim, I agree that I made a dumb move but I felt like I was appealing to the better instincts of people (foolishly and hastily). The fact now seems to be that 1) the seller did not respond to me at all and 2) that the seller did respond to another inquiry (after mine) several times and adamantly refused to even give three digits from the SN. I am not a pro logician or anything but seems... questionable. Incidentally this is the site for the seller, which looks to be a booth in the "Jewelers on Fifth" in midtown: https://www.ajlikeswatches.com/ Does anyone have experience with these folks?

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