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23 May 2018, 12:13 PM | #181 |
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I would told the AD to f*** off.
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24 May 2018, 03:36 AM | #182 |
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What would amuse me is if Rolex let's all the grays and forum dealers accumulate these pieces and list them for $15k+, and then suddenly dump inventory on their dealers so anyone can walk in and get one at MSRP. That could bankrupt some of these folks pretty quickly, if they're paying a high premium to begin with.
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24 May 2018, 03:44 AM | #183 | |
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They have a monopoly on market pricing and if the AD's could compete in that same market, it might actually drive prices down. Two separate markets doesn't work....Currently AD's have a monopoly on MSRP so they have enormous power over retail buyers and secondary dealers as a group have control over non authorized dealer pricing. If you could allow AD's to get in on the action the grey dealers prices would probably have to go down if all AD's were selling daytonas for 18K as who wants to buy a used one from the grey market for that much?
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24 May 2018, 03:46 AM | #184 |
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Totally Disgusting for AD to do something like that, BUT, 15.5k is a reasonable price, I would get it I was you. If you don't want it, let me know I will re-buy it from you because my AD's waiting list is soooo long they stopped putting people on it.
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Let people order them online. If there's a wait, there's a wait. But get rid of this decades-old good-old-boy 1950's "know somebody that knows somebody" network crap.
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24 May 2018, 03:57 AM | #186 | |
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Retail price is a discount and anytime anything is on sale people want it because its on sale. Watches depreciate even Daytonas if they are sold at market prices. Current RRP doesnt make the watches investments it just makes them poorly priced. You buy one at market price and sell it two weeks later you will lose money. That is normal, the current pricing is not. People are not really mad at AD's they are mad at the parallel market which is a big reason the AD experience has deteriorated.
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24 May 2018, 04:01 AM | #187 |
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Honestly, I had them put me on the list and am now expecting to receive the watch sometime in September. I will be purchasing it and comparing it against my 16710 for about month.
One of them will be going on the chopping block. Not sure which one yet. I will make this promise though: If I decide to sell the new Pepsi, I will sell it for the exact same price as purchased no matter how high the price goes on the gray market. I'm not in this to make a profit. I am here because I love this hobby |
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Let’s not forget, Rolex are doing it on purpose, and the grey market pricing is not a function of “this is what the watch is worth”, it’s a function of “I have it and you don’t.” |
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I don't have that option with a Rolex. Because I don't buy hundreds of watches a year, an AD will go sell to <insert forum dealer> first who will then list it at 50% over MSRP. If I want a new Star Wars LEGO set coming out at retail, and I don't pre-order it I may have to wait months for it to become available again (if at all).
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Grab it while you can. You should be able to flip for $20K.
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MSRP is a set price agreed upon too.
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24 May 2018, 05:05 AM | #196 |
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its the real price. Thats all im saying.
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If the dealer admitted it in those words, then that sounds like a confession, don’t you think?
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24 May 2018, 05:08 AM | #199 |
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admitted to what. Pricing their product in line with the free market? They are not setting a price, they are responding to the market. When delta raises ticket prices because demand goes up, then the other airlines follow. They don't "agree" formally but they absolutely follow each others lead.
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Now maybe something has been lost in translation, as I realize that English isn’t everyone’s first language, but were it an agreed upon price by dealers in the area, then it’s price fixing, which would be illegal if it occurred in the US (which, of course, it didn’t in this case).
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I agree that it’s hard to prove. Not saying that it isn’t. I never said it wasn’t. You’re the one who jumped on the hard to prove train and then got argumentative about it.
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I was quoted $15.5k for the new SS GMT Pepsi
To clarify, yes, I did use the word "agreed" and that was exactly what was explained to me:
All ADs in the area communicate and agree on a set price for new Rolex watches. After that, they communicate it with the clients/customers. This is why the price was not communicated to me until a few months after Basel. They needed time to set the price which is US $15,500. When I expressed that I thought this was way above MSRP, they further explained to me that Rolex has nothing to do with the prices they set. I recognize that this is kind of strange but I am just sharing what I was told. Also, the sales person could have been wrong in her explanation. |
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Much as I hate that ADs can charge more. The "S" in MSRP is "Suggested" which means this is the price that the Manufacturer recommends that you can charge or you can charge more or less. The market will determine what the prices will actually be. If someone asks too much then it will just sit there and if they ask to little the watch will fly off the shelf. Sometimes I am steadfast that I will not pay over MSRP and want a discount and other times I am like Verucca in Willy Wonka and I want it NOW!!! and will pay a premium. Nothing wrong either way in my book.
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