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3 July 2018, 09:35 AM | #1021 |
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In regards to Neymar, I'll offer this final comment on the subject: fans and journalists from a handful of opponent countries may well make fun and laugh of him for as long as it pleases them. Too bad nothing is said about the constant violence used to stop his skill. That is what shames the game above all else.
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Last time this happened according to Fox!
1970 WC México West Germany vs England quarterfinals Germany down 0-2 ... ties and goes into O/T W. Germany wins 3-2 Absolutely Amazing and smashing game !!! Japan really gave Belgium a run for their money... |
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He gets a lot of criticism, I know, but he's a young talented guy, the world's most expensive deal in football history, so it's normal to get that much criticism. Some are true, some unfair, but that's how it is. I hope he gets more mature with time.
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He is one of the most talented footballers alive and no doubt a great player. He does get fouled more often than others (logically, because he has much of the ball). Many players dive, but his antics are embarrassing. He makes Ronaldo look like a saint haa
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I'm a Middle Linebacker on an adult football team so that stuff turns me off. So far it's been an interesting Cup.
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But putting that aside it’s perfectly possible to punish those who foul him (the player who stood on his ankle should’ve got a yellow) whilst also punishing Neymar for feigning injury, which is also an offence under the Laws of the game (unsportsmanlike conduct). In fact, the fouls against him do typically get punished with free-kicks against whereas I’ve never seen him punished for his theatrics, hence a lot of the flak he’s getting. Remember when Rivaldo copped a ban for clutching his face when the ball was kicked at his knee? Neymar should’ve had that long ago. His antics bring the game into disrepute. You can actually see the damage that kind of behaviour does in this thread, as there are people who are turned off ever getting into football because they rightly see grown men acting like epileptic 3 year olds and think, “nah, I’ll stick to a mans game thank you very much”. |
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I don't mind Neymar getting a yellow card for theatrics, but then I want the talentless thug who tried to ruin my World Cup by stamping on him sent off and given a 5 match ban, and a lifetime ban if he does it again. These are the people that need to be driven out of the game, not given a free pass, while we rail on the victim. Same thing with Suarez, forget his football just talk about how much you hate him. There's an ugly trend developing on this thread. So from now on let's just stick to the football and leave the personality popularity stuff to the billion other hideous forums before this thread gets shut down. |
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Here is an objective opinion from an American. I know (practically) nothing about soccer, what the rest of the world calls football, to be completely honest I don’t even know who this Mynamar guy is. But let me say this to the rest of the world. Do you want to know why soccer is not the popular sport in the US? It is because of those flopping-embarassing-three stooges tumbles and falls that many (not all) of the players make a fool of themselves with every game. What is our big time sport? Football. The one with the helmets and funny shaped ball. EVERY single play, men pound each other with full contact physical hits. What do they do after? They get up and get ready for the next play. Then we (try to) watch international soccer with these comical falls and rolling around the ground when another player farts close to them. It is downright comical and IMHO an embarrassment to the sport. They are exceptional athletes, and no doubt there are hard fouls where players hit the ground and possible injuries, but I have TRIED to watch these games. EVERY single one has at least one instance (usually several) of a player barely getting touched, rolling around the ground And screaming like it’s a battlefield wound. They do this for several minutes until the ref comes over and the stretcher crew comes out and it’s a miracle! The player is healed by angels and continues in the game. It’s comical, it’s sad, it’s disgraceful. I’ll watch American Football thank you. A man gets hit, knocked down, gets up, and back in the game. Go ahead, make fun of the US and our lack of talent in Soccer, or more accurately, synchronized rolling.
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Have you tried watching rugby? It's a bit like American football but without all the padding and helmets. Also played worldwide.
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I enjoy watching rugby very much, now THAT is a tough game. I also enjoy Aussie Rules football. I played a contact sport in college (Lacrosse) but we wore helmets. Those Rugby and ARF guys are tough buggers in my book!
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Hats off to you for following ARF
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And football was tough and rugged in the seventies and eighties but the Americans were not interested then, so nothing to do with the recent phenomenon of diving. It's just a cultural difference. |
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Football is a Gentleman’s game played by thugs and rugby is thugs game played by Gentlemen.
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American here. I'm a soccer neophyte (technical aspects); i know you have to kick the ball into the net.
Let's go England. Although- it seems that every team i have cheered for during this tournament has lost. It's incredible the amount of money that flows thru soccer; it makes FIFA into practically it's own World Government.
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You may only be interested in the game and nothing else, which is fair enough. For others, the characters enliven the game. Especially as, quite frankly, football thrives on adversity and always has done. Part of the enjoyment of the game for many is finding aspects of the opposition and rival teams to dislike in order to perpetuate the rivalry. Hence for example Gary Neville winds up Liverpool fans by giving it the big “come on” in front of the Kop and the Scousers subsequently dislike him for eternity, even though he actually seems like a good bloke. I’d say this was an example of a bit of “manufactured hate” that’s all part of the fun. Social media loony’s who take things too seriously aside, most of what Neymar is getting is in a similar spirit. I’ll leave it there |
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Could this be a taught and encouraged behavior in the Semi- Pro to Pro levels of soccer? Is it a defensive mechanism to avoid injuries? Or is it used by players that are scared ?
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Oh, almost forgot...
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I made this point upthread, but “exaggerating contact” is a legitimate tactic, partly borne of the fact that referees are reluctant to give free-kicks to players who don’t go down - the thinking presumably being that the if the contact wasn’t significant enough to bring the player down then it wasn’t significant enough to be a foul. So players at that level are told to go down if they feel contact. The next level is where players “look for contact” which I think is less legitimate and verges on cheating, though others might consider it good play. This is where players, usually in the opposition penalty area (because of the possibility of winning a penalty) will manoeuvre their legs in such a way as to deliberately run into the opponents legs so they can fall over and claim a foul. This often works and is also definitely taught. The whole rolling around/face clutching/feigning injury stuff is an attempt to get opposition players punished/carded. That may or may not be taught but isn’t practiced by the majority of players. |
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For anyone not excited by, nor understanding the nuances of the play on the pitch, study Belgium’s final goal in stoppage time yesterday.
Just watch it from Japan’s failed goal attempt when Belgium’s keeper rolled the ball out. Pay attention to where the players positioned themselves during the ensuing 10-15 seconds it took to win the match. A thing of beauty... Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Pro
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2. Since it is a conduct that is taught and encouraged by the Soccer Coaching Staff, I am going to have to rewire my brain into accepting that this is part of the strategy of playing soccer. There is no way to argue against what your Coaches teach you, because if you do, you will get benched or even cut. I suppose soccer players get benched and cut too, right? It sucks. It will take me awhile, but now that I´m sure that it´s part of the accepted strategy of Soccer...........I´ll have to chew on that, the swallowing is gonna be the hard part.
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We can agree to disagree, but you're comparing something that's not in any way fair. We're talking about what Neymar does IN the game, not outside of the game. You continuously have mentioned about this whole 'reality tv' thing, but it doesn't make any sense. because we point out stupidity that happens during the game, that does not make us fans of 'reality tv' and 'not true fans of the game'. Your exact same argument could be said against NEYMAR saying that he is a drama queen and a fan of reality TV trying to create such a scene. Your point sticks if we're writing threads about his personal life, but we have been solely focused on what transpires inside 90'. Also, I'm quite certain that every single person who has said something bad about Neymar's antics has mentioned that they can absolutely appreciate his talent. That is acknowledging he's a good player and talking about skills. You're honestly making an argument that we should 'only focus on what a player does good on the pitch, but ignore if he does anything bad'. Are you also a proponent of effort medals and no criticizing by youth athletic coaches? Not a single top tier athlete would ever say 'I got to where I am because nobody called out my stupidity/mistakes'. The entire internet is essentially doing this right now, trying to convey to Neymar (albeit through memes/gifs/mocking) that the drama is not amusing anymore, it's annoying. Stop flopping about like a fish out of water over small fouls, you're making football look ridiculous. Ronaldo got the same treatment for years, and honestly, some of Neymar's stunts are even worse. Ronaldo has gotten WAY better though, and guess what, people acknowledge that and can appreciate it. |
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Another analogy in an individual sport is boxing. If you follow it you’ll be familiar with the great Bernard Hopkins. A fantastic fighter who won titles until he was 50. He did so partly because he was a genetic freak who lived like a monk. But also because he cheated. He was the dirtiest boxer of the last 30 years. Head butting, rabbit punches, pushing, grabbing - none are in the Queensberry rules but he got away with it all multiple times in most of his fights in the latter part of his career. If you cheat and get away with it, you’re good at the game. At the highest level, it’s winning that counts, not taking part. |
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Let's go Colombiaaaaaaaaaaa!
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