HOROLOGY HOUSE FAKE ROLEX 116500LN Serial 357Q00K9

[V25V]

Wow, no way I could read all of this thread but I got all I needed, especially the photo of the house burning down he claimed to be his parents. What a POS this guy is..... unreal.

Thanks to OP for making this thread and thanks to TRF for allowing it to live.

[Chewbacca]

https://www.bosshunting.com.au/gear/...camming-buyers

[dmash]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

https://www.bosshunting.com.au/gear/...camming-buyers

LOL somebody made a 'horologyhouseisascammer' instagram?

https://www.instagram.com/horologyho...ource=ig_embed

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by cop414

MLK has been shown the door.

Darn it! I always miss the Banning posts!!!!

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by dmash

LOL somebody made a 'horologyhouseisascammer' instagram?

https://www.instagram.com/horologyho...ource=ig_embed

Subscribed.

[gooners123]

I know we are largely treading known ground at this point, as all the evidence and facts seem to be out in the open. I'd just like to add that the gambling angle seems completely plausible and I think is in fact the truth.

Nothing about this feels methodical or planned. If you were in his shoes with a high profile in the community and successful new business, and you wanted to scam people, you would sit down and think okay, how can I do this with the least risk of getting caught?

You would probably do things like, only selling to overseas buyers who have little to know recourse. Who is going to believe a random person in Europe or Asia against a well known Aussie Youtuber?

You'd never try to screw anyone within your own local group or community

You would only take phone calls so there is a limited paper trail etc.

This feels like a desperate guy who needed $x,000 in cash in 48 hours, and taking payment up front for watches that never existed was an easy way to do it.

Doesn't excuse his actions, they are deplorable and I hope there are real world legal consequences for him.

However, I do not agree with those that are dismissing gambling as another lie.

[mykii]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

link to boss hunting article (can't post cause of my post count min not being 10)

This is still a very sympathetic report on HH. I mean, he even states he thinks a genuine mistake has been made. That is legit deluded.

[cop414]

Originally Posted by gooners123

I know we are largely treading known ground at this point, as all the evidence and facts seem to be out in the open. I'd just like to add that the gambling angle seems completely plausible and I think is in fact the truth.

Nothing about this feels methodical or planned. If you were in his shoes with a high profile in the community and successful new business, and you wanted to scam people, you would sit down and think okay, how can I do this with the least risk of getting caught?

You would probably do things like, only selling to overseas buyers who have little to know recourse. Who is going to believe a random person in Europe or Asia against a well known Aussie Youtuber?

You'd never try to screw anyone within your own local group or community

You would only take phone calls so there is a limited paper trail etc.

This feels like a desperate guy who needed $x,000 in cash in 48 hours, and taking payment up front for watches that never existed was an easy way to do it.

Doesn't excuse his actions, they are deplorable and I hope there are real world legal consequences for him.

However, I do not agree with those that are dismissing gambling as another lie.

Are you running two different accounts? Levin123 is you also? Please respond.

[gooners123]

Originally Posted by cop414

Are you running two different accounts? Levin123 is you also? Please respond.

Yes that is correct - apologies if that is not allowed. I wasn't able to comment through my other account for some reason.

Thanks

[chappuy1750]

Thank you.

Originally Posted by cop414

MLK has been shown the door.

[walds11]

Chris Essery must under a rock shitting his pants right now

[V25V]

Originally Posted by gooners123

I know we are largely treading known ground at this point, as all the evidence and facts seem to be out in the open. I'd just like to add that the gambling angle seems completely plausible and I think is in fact the truth.

Nothing about this feels methodical or planned. If you were in his shoes with a high profile in the community and successful new business, and you wanted to scam people, you would sit down and think okay, how can I do this with the least risk of getting caught?

You would probably do things like, only selling to overseas buyers who have little to know recourse. Who is going to believe a random person in Europe or Asia against a well known Aussie Youtuber?

You'd never try to screw anyone within your own local group or community

You would only take phone calls so there is a limited paper trail etc.

This feels like a desperate guy who needed $x,000 in cash in 48 hours, and taking payment up front for watches that never existed was an easy way to do it.

Doesn't excuse his actions, they are deplorable and I hope there are real world legal consequences for him.

However, I do not agree with those that are dismissing gambling as another lie.

Oh man, just stop. Chris, that you?

[watchmework]

Just seeing this now....saw Horology House come across my feed the other day but thought maybe it was someone different, pretty surprised but then again...it is the internet.

[gooners123]

Originally Posted by V25V

Oh man, just stop. Chris, that you?

I was one of the first to call Chris out on here as the facts were emerging and also posted this on reddit, which now has 4.2k upvotes :)

I'm just offering my opinion based on the facts, but yes you are right, well tread ground now

[RidingDonkeys]

Originally Posted by daveb

Having an addiction does not absolve one legally or morally but it does provide the first explanation that squares with the facts.



A scammer does not send back money in drips and drabs, nor do they wait months to send a fake watch. His behavior is of someone who owes a lot of people money and who is robbing Peter to pay Paul. Likely he justified this in his mind thinking he would hit big and pay everyone back and have plenty left over. In this mindset the addiction is not the problem, it is the solution.



If he really has an addiction he is suffering more than anyone who lost funds. If this is his rock bottom and he gets help, part of his recovery would be to make everyone whole. Neither addiction nor recovery liberates you from the consequences of your actions. Alcoholics, for example, frequently serve time in prison for repeated driving offenses or causing injuries or even death. Drug addicts often commit theft and other crimes to finance their consumption. No one ever recovered from addiction by evading responsibility for their misdeeds.



Recovery rates are pretty low, so who knows. It requires absolute rigorous honesty and total commitment to a recovery plan and even then most people relapse.



As an alcoholic with 25+ years of sobriety I find the claim of addiction credible, certainly far more so than any of the stories he told. It fits the fact pattern. And if he telling the truth, I wish him luck, he is going to need it.



To the people who have been victims of his fraud, I would recommend pursuing all legal remedies; even assuming the gambling addiction is real, he must be forced to face consequences if he is to have any hope of recovery. And if he takes recovery seriously, whether it takes a year or five or ten years, he will be morally obliged to repay everyone.

Well said. I've never battled addiction, but I've had more than a few of my Soldiers and even family members fight it. You're right, the pattern fits. I was thinking that he was an addict from the beginning.

Sent from the voices in my head and transcribed by their drinking buddy.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by cop414

Are you running two different accounts? Levin123 is you also? Please respond.

Beat me to it. Tim’s on this dumpster fire.

[Jim232118]

It's sad to see this happen but with Daytona's in such high demand even among non watch guys and the watches fetching twice retail, it’s too tempting and quite frankly too easy for the unscrupulous types to get away with this. I know a handful of guys with high end watches like Patek, Rolex, AP, etc., and most of them would not be able to distinguish the difference between the authentic and a really good Chinese fake, especially the Rolex fakes. Aside from knowing the watches are expensive and whats considered the top brands, they know very little about the company, details, and craftsmanship of the brand they are buying, they just think if you have some money you should own “x” brand watch. Same goes for cars and so many other luxury items. People see someone on social media with something and now they must have it too. I have often wondered how many people I see wearing a Rolex are actually wearing the real deal. There have been so many times I have seen someone wearing a Daytona or Sub and make a generic comment about their specific watch or brand in general and they look at me like a deer in headlights and have no idea what I am talking about. With so many companies making such detailed counterfeits of luxury items this is only going to get worse. Its even more important now to do your homework and buy from someone you trust. Unfortunately, it’a also getting harder to find people you can actually trust.

Now for the HH guy, I just felt like there was something about him that didn’t smell right after watching a few of his videos. For some reason it just really stood out as odd how he would constantly look down and away while talking into the camera during his videos. He just came across as disingenuous to me.

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by mykii

This is still a very sympathetic report on HH. I mean, he even states he thinks a genuine mistake has been made. That is legit deluded.

I came away with that too.

Unsure if it’s a local Forum thing, or circle the local market wagons thing.

[gooners123]

Originally Posted by Chewbacca

I came away with that too.

Unsure if it’s a local Forum thing, or circle the local market wagons thing.

Agreed, I was very disappointed with that article

[CorradoBrit]

Originally Posted by gooners123

Yes that is correct - apologies if that is not allowed. I wasn't able to comment through my other account for some reason.

Thanks

Rule 10. Better delete this account to avoid a banning. I bet you're not alone in contravening this rule over last couple of days
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=635693

[gooners123]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Rule 10. Better delete this account to avoid a banning

Fair, thank you will do

[haven_seeker]

Originally Posted by CorradoBrit

Rule 10. Better delete this account to avoid a banning
https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=635693

[Lol-x]

This kind of deception isn't just spur of the moment, it is high level that take years of training and planning and design to work all the angles. It is not the result of an addition unless that addiction is an addiction to greed.

We know a good amount of information on this activity now but there would be a vast amount of unidentified activity such was the skill and engineering that went into this facade.

[Claudio1989]

Op has all the information it’s 12 victims so far.
Also just for information the guy who received the call yesterday about the gambling addiction he gave a Chris 17k for an SD4K in November. He is also a moderator in Australian Watch BuY Swap and Sell like me.
He doesn’t want his name all over the he internet he only wants to use the evidence in legal action.
As I sad OP has it and he is also in contact with him

[DJRikki]

Originally Posted by alphadweller

JustBlueFish. The guy gives an opinion without even reading the whatsapp transcripts and goes on defending Chris or at least giving him the benefit of doubt. Says we should at least let Chris give us an explanation blah blah blah. He's lost all credibility to me. Has just taken his video down. Defending a crook, what a joker.

That video was not good in the slightest and made him look extremely foolish.

"Here's what Ive got to say based on not reading the full facts or caring - but here's my video anyway!"

But he gave me a hard time in the comments anyway when I piped up about his commenters trying to steer him in the right direction.

[senor moleman]

I imagine anyone reading along doesn't need a yt video to clarify anything. It's pretty well layed out here.

[DJRikki]

Originally Posted by barkington

The "reluctance" is quite simple if you think about. It's one thing talking about this stuff anonymously on a forum when you're safe behind your "onewatchshort" name, it would be very hard to bring legal action again you. It's another thing then you have an audience of 75k and are easily sued because you're a limited company. I have so many more interesting things to do than deal with legal action.

The other point is, why did you only share half of the comment? The other half said "my channel is about watches, not drama". Very sneaky of you!

If you feel this topic needs more exposure than the already 200,000+ views it's already had, then be my guest and start a drama watch channel.




You're 100%, the watch youtube community talks a lot. And frankly I'm gutted that this has happened. before I heard about this story I would have classed Chris as a mate. I even advised him on starting his strap business.

I previously wasn't going to comment on Chris and HH as frankly, I don't know any of you personally, I don't know how credible you are and ALL the evidence shown could easily have been photoshopped. The whats app log is a .txt file which could have been made in any word processing application - granted it would have taken an age to make it all up!

However, I have now been contacted by someone I actually know who has been scammed by HH. He is credible and shown me evidence.

I have no doubts now that all that has been said before is in fact true.

Feel free to think this is "pretty pathetic" and not to watch my channel again. It makes no difference to me. I've never made content on topics like this, hence why there wasn't a video about Paul Thorpe and his connection to selling fake watches, or when Federico was exposed for buying fake watches. It's just not my thing.

What I do find interesting is the scam itself. Now that could be a topic I'd cover.

onewatchshort seems to go a bit quiet when you reply to his points ... Good to see you on here posting bud

[rhysao]

I’ve been a member of AWBSS and AWF for around 6 months now, bought and sold multiple pieces through there with quick, trouble-free transactions, none of which were with Chris. Firstly, thanks to the mods here for letting the discussion go on.

Seeing the first post from OP came as a real surprise, having seen Chris’ presence on both FB pages and YT content, I saw he was one of biggest players in the Australian watch community and right up until that point, naively saw him as the most trustworthy person to potentially buy off, given how he had made himself a public figure within the community. After seeing OP’s original post, I went in with an open mind thinking there has to be another side to the story. After getting about a quarter of the way through the WhatsApp logs I was confident in stating Chris is just an utter piece of sh*t.

After keeping up to date with the info coming in, reading every post and each detail of his previous transactions, I feel like some are getting a little carried away on some of the details and want to reiterate a few points;

So far, as far as I’m aware, there is one fake piece that is confirmed and no evidence, yet, to suggest there is a second fake piece.

On top of that, there is the discussion of whether he knew it was fake or not - Chris’ response in the WhatsApp logs when the buyer questioned its authenticity was incredibly damning. If he didn’t know it was fake, I don’t believe he would have reacted like that, he would have immediately questioned the buyer and suggested the buyer had done a bait and switch, instead of just conceding and offering a refund. This suggests he knew exactly what he was doing and I believe there is a plausible explanation for him doing so - Chris knew the buyer was in Bahrain working for 6 months, so by shipping the fake piece to his family, he was buying himself potentially several months more time until the watch was taken to Bahrain by the buyers family. The way he conceded so quickly on it being fake and offered a refund suggests it was most likely another delaying tactic, not a genuine attempt to bait and switch the sale and profit off a fake piece. Of course, I could be wrong on that, but we will never know for sure if it did get him a few months extra, whether he would have refunded once the buyer realised it was fake or whether he would have turned on the buyer and suggest they were scamming him - hopefully more info will come to light that makes it clearer.

There have been multiple posts ‘to those still defending Chris….’ - I’ve read this entire thread and haven’t seen a single person defending him since the evidence has become overwhelming on about page 2.

There have been questions on motives, suggesting gambling debt etc., which have been taken by some as an excuse for his behaviour. Trying to understand the reasoning behind his actions is in no way condoning his behaviour or an excuse, it’s simple trying to understand Chris’ actions, because at this time we have no idea what drove him to this situation. If it is gambling addiction, that doesn’t make it any better than if it was done simply out of greed, and I haven’t seen anyone suggest otherwise.

Going after and implicating other social media personalities and mods has got a little out of hand and is incredibly unfair IMO. We can now look back with the benefit of hindsight and say how could anyone have ever stood up for him, but right at the start I think the mods had a duty of care to make sure the evidence was overwhelming prior to taking actions. I believe the decision to suspend comments on the FB post was justified until Chris had the chance to explain himself which he eventually did in an amusingly trivial way, and I repeat, what a piece of sh*t. B&J explained previously that Chris called him shortly after the original post outing him and tried to explain/cover his tracks - clearly, the piece of sh*t was trying to pull the wool over not only the communities eyes, but those who classed him as a mate as well. I don’t think throwing unsubstantiated claims at other YouTubers and mods is fair or helps in any way. This falls squarely on Chris' head, not anyone else.

I’d also like to finish by saying, what a piece of sh*t!

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Lol-x

This kind of deception isn't just spur of the moment, it is high level that take years of training and planning and design to work all the angles. It is not the result of an addition unless that addiction is an addiction to greed.

We know a good amount of information on this activity now but there would be a vast amount of unidentified activity such was the skill and engineering that went into this facade.

True.

And before 2005 it would have taken a decade to build up some credibility to have people wire funds on a hope and pics.

Still think there's more doing it and more victims who don't even realize it.

Its simply way too easy money and many well heeled would be too embarrassed to report being duped.

[solid_stu]

For some reason, he has re-instated his instagram content today. All the posts are back up but comments still disabled. I wonder if he is considering making an announcement...