Banned from my AD

[Tha Baron]

Lets be honest - why wouldn't Rolex do this type of thing? People act like its some big deal to have a low cost search team just capture S/Ns all day long when we know they are yanking ADs left and right for "selling to gray".

And one other thing I've been saying for a while now... you have to conceal the whole S/N. It doesn't do anygood to conceal all but 2-3 characters which can easily be cross referenced against model number/dial/bracelet. Since they are random how many Daytonas with a A6**3*** SN are there really in the world?

For grins I snapped a pic of the local costco that had a watch in the case not too long ago. The SA I work with asked me to jot down the S/N as "they like to help out Rolex"... I had since left the store and didnt plan on asking to see it out of the case, but still this is the world now. No matter how crazy some think this is.

Its like all the license plate scanners that exist out there - people just recording, compiling, mining data... its the future and its here now.

[Gdoc26]

I doubt if Rolex gives a rat$%^# about flippers, had to be the AD. These are not one off limited editions, these are mass produced items and what the purchaser does afterwards is nobody's business. Could you imagine ordering a Ford Raptor, deciding you didn't like it, listing it for resale and Ford Motor Company informing you that you can no longer buy a Ford ever again

[kieselguhr]

It’s very hard for me to see Rolex corporate spending any amount of resource no matter how meager to pursue enterprises that are in no way a financial liability to them.

[polaris72]

Originally Posted by stlwatchlvr

Wow. Sorry to hear about your story. You have a great collection but I appreciate your frustration of being told your cut off.

This is fascinating. I guess Rolex is very hard core about this stuff. Makes me wonder how any of these grey market watches are getting online.


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Well what do you think? ADs selling for premium to grey. Maybe a Rolex was looking at this particular store for their practices and AD worked really hard to find customer with buyer’s remorse. AD will look good for ousting long term customer and possibly continue making extra money on the side. Case closed.

[42itus]

If Rolex really really cared about flippers, they could find serial numbers all day long. When I was in Tokyo there were a few shops in Nakano Broadway that had the warranty card with the serial number sitting right next to the watch. But what would Rolex do to the AD? Stop selling to them? They would eventually find that every single AD has had a watch sell in the secondary market. Whether private or grey.

[macrowatch]

If it quacks like a Troll...

[Nikrnic]

If Rolex hates the grey market so much then why don't they bust their ADs selling bundles out the back door? Too bad somebody had too much time on their hands to worry about this BS.
Who knows, I was talking with my AD who I got my Blnr from and just mentioned how i love and wouldn't sell and his response was > If you do sell it please don't put it on the internet.. hmm. are there really Rolex spies out there?

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[6538]

Originally Posted by Tools

Unlikely that Rolex would waste time looking through ads about people selling their personal watches. Rolex got their money when it was delivered to the Dealer, and such an effort would take massive time and resources for zero return for them.

Selling your watch is not the Grey Market.

Perhaps not Rolex HQ in Geneva, but what about Rolex UK? Could they have their own ways of dealing with flipping or suspected flippers?

[CashGap]

simmer down.

OP is no longer permitted to purchase a new Rolex from his AD, after posting one of his for sale.

I have never posted a Rolex for sale. I am not permitted to purchase a new Rolex from any AD, because they don't have any.

Effectively, nothing happened to OP.

[Tha Baron]

Originally Posted by kieselguhr

It’s very hard for me to see Rolex corporate spending any amount of resource no matter how meager to pursue enterprises that are in no way a financial liability to them.

Then why are the pulling AD status from certain shops?

[Chewbacca]

Originally Posted by Mr Crown

I wasn't going to post about this but after a few weeks letting the dust settle and reflecting I thought I would to see what forum members think

Started buying from this particular AD in the uk in 2001 , first purchased a Breitling chronomat evolution, then a Breitling Bentley after that i got the Rolex bug bought....

Bi Metal Sub
Deepsea
Gmt stainless
Gmt Blnr
Seadweller 50th
Gmt Pepsi

I also own further Rolex models not purchased from this specific dealer as some i bought are used

So i have been on the list for a stainless Daytona for 6 years i had been chasing the dealer every 6 months as the ceramic model has become a bit of a grail for me , then last month i was offered a used one at £16.5k which i thought was a very good deal, taking into account recent spending and other commitments i decided i had to let a watch go to justify shelling out on the Daytona

I decided on the Pepsi, i had worn it on only three occasions and was as new so i listed the watch on eBay, i had various interest and calls but after chatting with 2 or 3 potential buyers who were fellow Rolex fans and collectors i decided i couldn't part with it and removed it from eBay with a decision made to wait for the Daytona

The following day i received a surprise call from my AD , expecting good news on the Daytona i took the call , only to be dropped the bombshell that my Pespsi had been spotted on ebay by rolex and i would no longer be able to purchase from them again!!

Now initially i denied this knowing that i would be looked at as a flipper but then came clean and said i had advertised it but changed my mind and removed, told them i had the watch and would bring it through for them to look at if that would put their mind at rest only to be told NO FURTHER PURCHASES END OF...after which i lost it and basically told them to get F***ed

so

It would actually be easy to set up an alert on ebay UK to inform account holders of new watches being listed from within the market. And since you spoke to people, I'm sure you shared you name and number. Your number would likely be in their customer list. So, ya, I could see a OCD dealer being a dick here with plenty of info on you.

A 6d GMT located the UK would also get a lot of attention on ebay UK, and from there all the dealers would chirp and trim possible owners who picked up.

They may have even marked the watch, box or card.

And it's not hard to move to another brand after this douche move. I also find your island to be an odd place for open watch commerce.

I see an Omega or Breitling in your future.

[kinggiamma]

I have to say that the story from opener is 100% true as exactly the same happened to me for selling a 116710LN purchases from an AD in Switzerland. After 1 day that the watch was posted on Instagram they called me to tell me that I was not welcomed anymore and pulled me out of a waiting list for a Skydweller. I still think that once an object is paid, than the ownership change to the buyer and if the buyer want to use, sell it, or destroy with an hammer is not an affair the seller should be involved with....

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[JoseR]

Originally Posted by Danny83

Should have sold it on the Forum.

Agree. Much safer here but you cannot show the AD name or the serial number...

[jaychief]

Surely they must of been able to see the Serial number ???

[MasonDixon]

Originally Posted by Mr Crown

I decided on the Pepsi, i had worn it on only three occasions and was as new so i listed the watch on eBay

How long did you own the Pepsi prior to listing it? How much were you asking for it? If it was a recent purchase and you were asking more than list, then I can see how the AD would look at it as flipping.

[037]

Originally Posted by DonRickles

Not adding up...? Why did you lie and say it wasn't listed. You didn't want them to know for some reason. I think you knew you got "caught" and pulled it off...And, you were going to post this, to vent yourself in any case.

Wondered the same myself. If the OP had second thoughts and removed the listing, why lie about it? It's not always the crime but the coverup.

[nick800]

I don’t believe you

[zengineer]

Now you have to find a new AD who can not get you a Daytona on 6 years.

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[oversteerdawg]

Originally Posted by Gdoc26

I doubt if Rolex gives a rat$%^# about flippers, had to be the AD. These are not one off limited editions, these are mass produced items and what the purchaser does afterwards is nobody's business. Could you imagine ordering a Ford Raptor, deciding you didn't like it, listing it for resale and Ford Motor Company informing you that you can no longer buy a Ford ever again

This is exactly how Porsche's 918 VIP program worked and how many Ferrari dealers operate. Porsche had a VIP program for customers who bought 918 Spyders where their dealer would get an extra allocation of any hot model (GT2 RS, Speedster, etc.) that the VIP wanted. They cannot not sell the car within a year or they would be removed from the VIP program. They take it so seriously that if the VIP decides they no longer want the VIP allocated car that they ordered, the dealer would have to send the car back to PCNA.

Many Ferrari dealers have a signed agreement with their customers that if they want to sell the car within a predetermined timeframe, they can only sell it back to the dealer or they will lose their preferential status within that dealer.

Right or wrong, this is nothing new in the high demand, low supply luxury goods market, although it is something relatively new in the Rolex world.

[Simon_jrees]

Sorry to hear this happened. If I was going to sell I would have taken it back to the A.D

[Rolexfellow]

Originally Posted by Mr Crown

I wasn't going to post about this but after a few weeks letting the dust settle and reflecting I thought I would to see what forum members think

Started buying from this particular AD in the uk in 2001 , first purchased a Breitling chronomat evolution, then a Breitling Bentley after that i got the Rolex bug bought....

Bi Metal Sub
Deepsea
Gmt stainless
Gmt Blnr
Seadweller 50th
Gmt Pepsi

I also own further Rolex models not purchased from this specific dealer as some i bought are used

So i have been on the list for a stainless Daytona for 6 years i had been chasing the dealer every 6 months as the ceramic model has become a bit of a grail for me , then last month i was offered a used one at £16.5k which i thought was a very good deal, taking into account recent spending and other commitments i decided i had to let a watch go to justify shelling out on the Daytona

I decided on the Pepsi, i had worn it on only three occasions and was as new so i listed the watch on eBay, i had various interest and calls but after chatting with 2 or 3 potential buyers who were fellow Rolex fans and collectors i decided i couldn't part with it and removed it from eBay with a decision made to wait for the Daytona

The following day i received a surprise call from my AD , expecting good news on the Daytona i took the call , only to be dropped the bombshell that my Pespsi had been spotted on ebay by rolex and i would no longer be able to purchase from them again!!

Now initially i denied this knowing that i would be looked at as a flipper but then came clean and said i had advertised it but changed my mind and removed, told them i had the watch and would bring it through for them to look at if that would put their mind at rest only to be told NO FURTHER PURCHASES END OF...after which i lost it and basically told them to get F***ed

so

The fact that they put you on a "list" means they had no respect for you to begin with....

[beshannon]

Originally Posted by macrowatch

If it quacks like a Troll...

Originally Posted by jaychief

Surely they must of been able to see the Serial number ???

He said he posted it, see above

Originally Posted by nick800

I don’t believe you

Originally Posted by zengineer

Now you have to find a new AD who can not get you a Daytona on 6 years.

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Correct, should be easy!

[spersky]

Originally Posted by PhilLynott

If things went down like this there are almost no words to describe the absurdity of the current state of rolex. If you tried to explain how buying a new rolex works to people not aware they'd laugh at what they assumed was a joke.

From the outside, I would agree with you. To think you have to walk on pins and needles to determine what and how to spend literally thousands of dollars is crazy.

That being said I love my Rolexes and plan to buy more, Furthermore, I am not selling any. It is just a very weird upside down situation if you think about it.

They banned an obvious large spender with their establishment and company.

[garyk]

Originally Posted by gdoc26

i doubt if rolex gives a rat$%^# about flippers, had to be the ad. These are not one off limited editions, these are mass produced items and what the purchaser does afterwards is nobody's business. Could you imagine ordering a ford raptor, deciding you didn't like it, listing it for resale and ford motor company informing you that you can no longer buy a ford ever again

+1

[Explorer2polar]

Hi TRF

I have no sympathy for the OP, his mistake was buying a Rolex he didn't really want and then tried to flip it (probably at an INFLATED price) to purchase a Daytona from a grey dealer or other flipper.

He got caught so what who cares!

If Rolex or the AD network are taking action against these Spivs good,

I heard from a local AD SA on Saturday that a WG Daytona they actually had in the display case had come in for Customer who had ordered it 6 months prior, on the day of the intended pick up, Rolex intervened and instructed the AD not to sell it to them it as they had been identified as a known Flipper.

[jhd29]

It’s not that I don’t believe the story, it’s just that I don’t believe the story.

[psv]

While I don't agree with the policy/behavior of your AD, it was rather clumsy to display the serial number on your eBay listing. Also, this is why I sell my watches to grey dealers and let the pros take care of selling them.

I'd wait a while and then go into them with the Pepsi on your wrist and re-explain the situation to management.

I don't believe for a second that Rolex intervenes and controls who an AD sells a particular watch to.

[ROLEXster]

Here you go Rolex ...
You can now ban BIC Cameras.
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[037]

Here's a thread he started with photos of his collection. If he's trolling then this is one heck of a long game.

https://www.rolexforums.com/showthread.php?t=705869

[Pantheon]

Ive been told by my AD that Rolex does occasionally scour the web to look for flippers that way they can keep tabs on the ADs. My AD is too big for Rolex to drop them but my SA said that Rolex can essentially allocate less desirable pieces to them so they're very careful with who they sell to.