16710...holes or no holes?

[Sshaughn]

Looking at getting a Pepsi 16710 either 2000-2001 with holes or a 2007 without holes. I like the nostalgia look with holes but the no holes looks more refined. Any input would be great. Thanks in advance

[strafer_kid]

Either is great - superb watch!

[jimcameron]

No one, including you, will think about the difference after 2 weeks.

[Speed]

Get the one in best overall condition.

[dpt.calvin]

Originally Posted by jimcameron

No one, including you, will think about the difference after 2 weeks.

This. I have a 1988/89 holes 16710. I forgot they’re there.

[fskywalker]

I like to wear my watches on multiple bands / configurations and as such prefer the simplicity of doing so with the perforated lugs (versus the modern pieces). If you plan to switch bands would suggest the older pieces


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[Golden Ellipse]

For me, holes is the way to go — ease of changes. P-serial or K-serials are best.

[fishingbear]

Originally Posted by Speed

Get the one in best overall condition.

This.

[Spoonage]

I would go holes if you plan on changing straps. I personally like to holes case look.

[Tools]

Good choice in a watch. Either one is great, although the non-holes version is less likely to show it's age over time.

I have some of each and choosing one because it has holes or not never crosses my mind.

[THC]

No holes

[Oyster Sauce]

Originally Posted by fskywalker

i like to wear my watches on multiple bands / configurations and as such prefer the simplicity of doing so with the perforated lugs (versus the modern pieces). If you plan to switch bands would suggest the older pieces


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+1

[Ferdelious]

Go for lug holes with SEL's if you can find one. Just makes taking off the bracelet so much easier.

[Guybrush]

Originally Posted by Tools

Good choice in a watch. Either one is great, although the non-holes version is less likely to show it's age over time.

Yeah, I think the key here is deciding what criteria you want to use to make the choice. I've had a Sub with holes and one without; to be honest, I prefer the holes--just makes the watch look... I don't know, more rugged, maybe? More tool-y and less jewelry-like? I feel kinda stupid putting this into words, but that's what I think. That's very subjective, though, and also the Pepsi isn't a Sub---in my opinion (and don't crucify me for saying it---it's just an opinion), it's a more jewelry-looking watch, less rugged. So maybe the holes detract from that.

But what's not as subjective is the quoted point: especially if you assume that the watch will see a polish or two in the future, the holes are more likely to reveal that: they may show some cratering and distortion. It doesn't always happen, but it does happen, and that bothers some collectors. The no-holes case will be more forgiving.

EDIT: I'd also add that while it's quick to change straps on a holes case, it's not (in my experience) going to decrease the likelihood of you scratching the watch, particularly the insides of the lugs. If that's a concern, your best bet is pick up a set of springbar tweezers ($90 at Esslinger or you can splurge for Bergeon) which, if used properly, cause no scratching whatsoever, and also negate that issue when it comes to choosing between a case with holes or one with no holes: with tweezers, you wouldn't use the holes anyway.

[Yaz]

Hoooooooooles !!!


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[Nikrnic]

It didn't matter to me. Mine has no holes which is fine by me as I'll never switch to a strap. Condition rules..

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[lamkinpark]

Holes case with SEL.

[214270Explorer]

Holes are sort of more vintage-ish for me. Like 'em.

[LittleGothamDragon]

holes case!!

[HHIslander]

No holes. If it’s polished, you won’t obsess over how the hole openings are no longer sharp. Plus it will be newer and less likely to have patina, which I don’t care for. And SEL. Mine is no holes, so I’m clearly biased.

[Dr. Robert]

Lug holes are sacrosanct

[jamesbondOO7]

Wouldn't say it matters much.

[nyfida]

Holes for sure for the vintage look and easy to change bracelets. Can’t go wrong either way . Really cool watch ! 👍

[Brian Page]

No holes SEL links

[Paul7]

Holes, superluminova, and no rehaut for me.

[HiDive]

Lug holes are a stronger connection for the bracelet and do not hurt the appearance of the watch at all. I wish that all the sport maodels had them. Actually I wish they had screw bars instead of spring bars, but that is not likely to happen.

[Ancestral Star]

Originally Posted by Dr. Robert

Lug holes are sacrosanct

x2.

And contrary to popular opinion, I also prefer hollow end links. But in the end, condition is everything when on the hunt.

[juve]

I like the nostalgia look with holes - you answer the question by yourself.

[MrMercedes]

No holes!

[Paul7]

Originally Posted by HiDive

Lug holes are a stronger connection for the bracelet and do not hurt the appearance of the watch at all. I wish that all the sport maodels had them. Actually I wish they had screw bars instead of spring bars, but that is not likely to happen.

Can I ask how lug holes are a stronger bracelet connection?