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Mathemagician · 23 April 2009, 04:07 AM

I just had a detailed conversation with my AD and his watchmaker about what I thought was a misalignment between the RBR and the minute markers. Check out this example (sorry for the quality), noting the alignment of the minute marker at noon with the crown on the RBR:

We looked closely at several examples and it turns out that nearly all were like this to some degree! He mentioned that he's had a few customers ask already and it sure was a surprise to me so I thought I'd share.

JJ Irani · 23 April 2009, 04:11 AM

Hmmmm.....I don't think that's really acceptable!!

Rolex needs to UP their quality control!!!!!

Mrdi · 23 April 2009, 04:18 AM

You mentioned it in the right place.
JJ is notorious for his diligence with Rolex in terms of their resposibilities as far as quality is concerned.
Rest assured this will be brought to their attention.

dkpw · 23 April 2009, 04:20 AM

That would annoy me too. Luckily my late Z sub missed the RBR - which is a plus in my book.

LocoNBroko · 23 April 2009, 04:20 AM

That's interesting, and you are MUCH more observant that I... I just checked my GMT IIc and it is also mis-aligned. The alignment of the R and X at 9 and 3 are fine.
I will post some macro's later.

abr68 · 23 April 2009, 04:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hmmmm.....I don't think that's really acceptable!!

Rolex needs to UP their quality control!!!!!

x 2

browngo1 · 23 April 2009, 04:33 AM

I think you're all absolutely right, it needs sorted and FOC!

Mine is bang on the 12 marker, see below:

Jocke · 23 April 2009, 04:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mathemagician

I just had a detailed conversation with my AD and his watchmaker about what I thought was a misalignment between the RBR and the minute markers. Check out this example (sorry for the quality), noting the alignment of the minute marker at noon with the crown on the RBR:

We looked closely at several examples and it turns out that nearly all were like this to some degree! He mentioned that he's had a few customers ask already and it sure was a surprise to me so I thought I'd share.

Are you sure it's the case? It can be the dial that is the problem.

Jocke

Rebel · 23 April 2009, 04:52 AM

Agree with all on QC at Rolex. Lots of money spent needs lots of control given.

Jocke · 23 April 2009, 04:56 AM

I look at the pic again and after I have check it out in about 5 minutes it looks fine to me.

Jocke

Mathemagician · 23 April 2009, 05:02 AM

Awesome!

seantk · 23 April 2009, 05:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jocke

I look at the pic again and after I have check it out in about 5 minutes it looks fine to me.

Jocke

Rolex should hire you

Sean

2th Dr · 23 April 2009, 05:07 AM

My two DateJusts are spot on, but my GMT IIc is slightly off as well, although not quite as much as yours. My YM is pre-RBR.

teacard · 23 April 2009, 05:08 AM

I think its the dial too - i read somewhere that the rehaut is part of the case so i assume it must be dial misalignment??

diablojota · 23 April 2009, 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JJ Irani

Hmmmm.....I don't think that's really acceptable!!

Rolex needs to UP their quality control!!!!!

JJ, I think that Rolex should hire you to do QC for all the watches that they produce. And for any that may be "off" you could give it to members of the forum instead of trashing them!

Jocke · 23 April 2009, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by diablojota

JJ, I think that Rolex should hire you to do QC for all the watches that they produce. And for any that may be "off" you could give it to members of the forum instead of trashing them!

Have you got JJ's bestseller?

Jocke

2th Dr · 23 April 2009, 05:42 AM

LocoNBroko · 23 April 2009, 07:01 AM

On mine it could not be the dial mis-aligned as the other engraving lines up. It is just the coronet at the 12 oclock position that is very slightly off (less than the original posters first pic).

diablojota · 23 April 2009, 07:02 AM

Nice one, Jocke!!!

I think I need to get myself that book.

rdrzman · 23 April 2009, 07:09 AM

You cannot mis align dials. They all have pegs attached to the bottom that fit into holes on the movement and screwed in to secure them. The whole movement would have to be off (this is possable) for the dial position to be off.

And you guys pay how much for these new watches?

valentine · 23 April 2009, 07:12 AM

rolex is REALLY dropping the ball. with the disappointments from basel...the new attitude..the lack of quality control...and now the gimmicks like winders?? I actually just looked at the speedmaster after being offered a SS daytona...thats how upset I have become.

landroverking · 23 April 2009, 07:18 AM

This just might be the next collector item?????

SDDS · 23 April 2009, 07:33 AM

thats strange... Rolex need more work on Quality control

Mathemagician · 27 August 2009, 01:36 PM

Update: After waitng a few months for the watch to break in, I visited RSCNY today for regulation (-5s/day when stored in fastest position) and for this issue. The woman who greeted me saw the misalignment right away and used the word "unacceptable". Within 15 minutes the watch was back in my hands regulated and with perfect alignment between dial, rehaut, and bezel. Time will tell if the regulation was as successful, but for now this story has a very happy ending.

Idle Swede · 27 August 2009, 01:40 PM

Good for you.

Alan111 · 27 August 2009, 01:44 PM

Wow, one would think that with misalignment like that it would be a replica!

Mathemagician · 27 August 2009, 01:48 PM

Ooooh, now that you mention it... I overheard another "customer" explain that he brought a watch in "as a favor for a friend". After a few minutes in the waiting room, he was summoned over to the counter. The woman explained to him that not only was the watch not genuine, but he wasn't getting it back, either. At this point things were obviously starting to get interesting, but it was time for me to leave so I don't know how the story ended.

sexner · 28 August 2009, 02:07 AM

During our visit to our AD in May the salesman was explaining to us that he had to get in touch with a customer for a similar matter. He explained that a fellow's wife brought her husband's Rolex in for a service and the watchmaker discovered it wasn't genuine. He was very anxious to speak with them. I don't know how that one ended either.

Glad yours got sorted out.

glendon21 · 28 August 2009, 04:16 AM

Mine is a little bit off also.

STEELINOX · 28 August 2009, 04:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jocke

Have you got JJ's bestseller?

Jocke

Way to go you "WIS-E" arse !

23 April 2009, 04:07 AM	#1
Mathemagician "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: JJ Location: PA Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 83	RBR Alignment I just had a detailed conversation with my AD and his watchmaker about what I thought was a misalignment between the RBR and the minute markers. Check out this example (sorry for the quality), noting the alignment of the minute marker at noon with the crown on the RBR: We looked closely at several examples and it turns out that nearly all were like this to some degree! He mentioned that he's had a few customers ask already and it sure was a surprise to me so I thought I'd share.

23 April 2009, 04:11 AM	#2
JJ Irani Fondly Remembered Join Date: May 2005 Real Name: JJ Location: Auckland, NZ Watch: ALL SOLD!! Posts: 74,319	Hmmmm.....I don't think that's really acceptable!! Rolex needs to UP their quality control!!!!! __________________ Words fail me in expressing my utmost thanks to ALL of you for this wonderful support during my hour of need!! I firmly believe that my time on planet earth is NOT yet up!! I shall fight this to the very end.......and WIN!!

23 April 2009, 04:20 AM	#4
dkpw "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: David Location: Scotland Watch: 16610 & 214270 Posts: 1,294	That would annoy me too. Luckily my late Z sub missed the RBR - which is a plus in my book. __________________ Sub 16610, Explorer 214270, Ω Speedy Pro & many others. David

23 April 2009, 04:33 AM	#7
browngo1 "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Real Name: Gordon Location: Irvine, Scotland Watch: SS DJ, SS GMTIIC Posts: 339	I think you're all absolutely right, it needs sorted and FOC! Mine is bang on the 12 marker, see below: __________________

23 April 2009, 04:52 AM	#9
Rebel "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Dr Mark R Nail Location: New Albany Watch: Tudor Sub 75090 Posts: 8,257	Agree with all on QC at Rolex. Lots of money spent needs lots of control given. __________________ ------------------------------- Member of the Nylon Nation

23 April 2009, 04:18 AM	#3
Mrdi Banned Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: PA Posts: 3,478	You mentioned it in the right place. JJ is notorious for his diligence with Rolex in terms of their resposibilities as far as quality is concerned. Rest assured this will be brought to their attention.

23 April 2009, 04:20 AM	#5
LocoNBroko Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Watch: GMTIIcSUBUBFDSDDS Posts: 334	That's interesting, and you are MUCH more observant that I... I just checked my GMT IIc and it is also mis-aligned. The alignment of the R and X at 9 and 3 are fine. I will post some macro's later.

23 April 2009, 04:56 AM	#10
Jocke 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Real Name: Jocke Location: Sweden Watch: A dozen of Rolex's Posts: 22,541	I look at the pic again and after I have check it out in about 5 minutes it looks fine to me. Jocke __________________ This message is written in perfect swenglish. What is best a custom Rolex or a Rolex that is stuck in custom? Buy a professional camera and you´re a professional photographer, buy a flute and you own a flute.

23 April 2009, 05:02 AM	#11
Mathemagician "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: JJ Location: PA Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 83	Awesome!

23 April 2009, 05:07 AM	#13
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714	My two DateJusts are spot on, but my GMT IIc is slightly off as well, although not quite as much as yours. My YM is pre-RBR.

23 April 2009, 05:08 AM	#14
teacard Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Real Name: Alan W Location: UK Watch: PO45,GMTc,Flighty Posts: 64	I think its the dial too - i read somewhere that the rehaut is part of the case so i assume it must be dial misalignment??

23 April 2009, 05:42 AM	#17
2th Dr Banned Join Date: Jan 2009 Real Name: Mark-O! Location: Arlington, TX Watch: Rolex Posts: 12,714

23 April 2009, 07:01 AM	#18
LocoNBroko Banned Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: California Watch: GMTIIcSUBUBFDSDDS Posts: 334	On mine it could not be the dial mis-aligned as the other engraving lines up. It is just the coronet at the 12 oclock position that is very slightly off (less than the original posters first pic).

23 April 2009, 07:02 AM	#19
diablojota "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Frank Location: Chattanooga, TN Watch: SS Submariner Date Posts: 4,042	Nice one, Jocke!!! I think I need to get myself that book. __________________ RTFT - Read The Friggin' Thread FcB

23 April 2009, 07:09 AM	#20
rdrzman "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Somewhere Posts: 150	You cannot mis align dials. They all have pegs attached to the bottom that fit into holes on the movement and screwed in to secure them. The whole movement would have to be off (this is possable) for the dial position to be off. And you guys pay how much for these new watches?

23 April 2009, 07:12 AM	#21
valentine Banned Join Date: Jul 2008 Real Name: Justin Location: Baltimore, MD Watch: TT Diamond DJ Posts: 2,809	rolex is REALLY dropping the ball. with the disappointments from basel...the new attitude..the lack of quality control...and now the gimmicks like winders?? I actually just looked at the speedmaster after being offered a SS daytona...thats how upset I have become.

23 April 2009, 07:18 AM	#22
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	This just might be the next collector item?????

23 April 2009, 07:33 AM	#23
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,782	thats strange... Rolex need more work on Quality control __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

27 August 2009, 01:36 PM	#24
Mathemagician "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: JJ Location: PA Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 83	Update: After waitng a few months for the watch to break in, I visited RSCNY today for regulation (-5s/day when stored in fastest position) and for this issue. The woman who greeted me saw the misalignment right away and used the word "unacceptable". Within 15 minutes the watch was back in my hands regulated and with perfect alignment between dial, rehaut, and bezel. Time will tell if the regulation was as successful, but for now this story has a very happy ending.

27 August 2009, 01:40 PM	#25
Idle Swede Suspended Join Date: Oct 2008 Real Name: Leo Location: Boca Raton Posts: 13,820	Good for you.

27 August 2009, 01:44 PM	#26
Alan111 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: NYC Posts: 1,605	Wow, one would think that with misalignment like that it would be a replica!

27 August 2009, 01:48 PM	#27
Mathemagician "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: JJ Location: PA Watch: GMT IIc Posts: 83	Ooooh, now that you mention it... I overheard another "customer" explain that he brought a watch in "as a favor for a friend". After a few minutes in the waiting room, he was summoned over to the counter. The woman explained to him that not only was the watch not genuine, but he wasn't getting it back, either. At this point things were obviously starting to get interesting, but it was time for me to leave so I don't know how the story ended.

28 August 2009, 02:07 AM	#28
sexner "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2009 Real Name: 4Q Location: Nowhere near you Watch: 169622, 124060 Posts: 2,014	During our visit to our AD in May the salesman was explaining to us that he had to get in touch with a customer for a similar matter. He explained that a fellow's wife brought her husband's Rolex in for a service and the watchmaker discovered it wasn't genuine. He was very anxious to speak with them. I don't know how that one ended either. Glad yours got sorted out. __________________ One should endeavor to do what is right not what is established.

28 August 2009, 04:16 AM	#29
glendon21 "TRF" Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Los Angeles Watch: 116710 Posts: 51	Mine is a little bit off also. Attached Images

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