Why is GMT II Pepsi so much more than Batgirl on the secondary market?

[Seaswirl]

Demand. I passed on the prior BLNR as it was too similar to my Sub, but jumped when offered a BLRO. The red and blue bezel coupled with the jubilee bracelet made it different enough. Both are great though.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by padi56

The only so called nicknames are acceptable regarding Rolex watches to myself after learning about and wearing the brand Rolex for over 50 years is the ones most used decades ago like pepsi and coke for the inserts.All of today's nicknames IMHO are very childlike, for what was once was a prestigious brand of watches.As today Rolex watches now are little more than $$$£££ object things, and silly nicknames to many.

I totally agree with you on this one.

Kermit, Hulk, Smurf, etc... I just find it all very indicative of the "dumbing-down" of the brand that's sadly happened in recent years.

[Driver8]

Originally Posted by jkyrolex

Price delta seems to be about 4-5k. Any thoughts?

As others have said - a combination of history and hype. In the case of the BLRO I'd say it's probably 50% history / 50% hype, whereas on others where we see disparities in market value - e.g. white vs black Daytona, blue vs all other Sky Dwellers - it's 100% hype and FOMO.

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

Did they move to another forum?

[TXSD43]

Rarer.


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[boogiebot]

Originally Posted by padi56

Perhaps it's because the Batgirl only exists in the immature minds of 3-4 years olds, like the rest of these silly stupid names for Rolex watches.

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[mario1971]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Did they move to another forum?

Perhaps they were fed up with the hustle and bustle. Or perhaps they have already fulfilled (satiated) and retired from watches. Now they go fishing together with their grandchildren, drinking a cold beer and talking about their watch loves, fascinations and failures, as well as about the friendships and wars they fought on this forum.

[Mystro]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Did they move to another forum?

Mainly stayed away from social media but still keeps in touch with many of us. Some of these were outstanding watchmakers so they have their own circles and still working on watches. So much inside info about brands, movements, watch parts, etc that cant be repeated on a open forum.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by padi56

Perhaps it's because the Batgirl only exists in the immature minds of 3-4 years olds, like the rest of these silly stupid names for Rolex watches.

Agree 100% .I find the nicknames pathetic .

[Geckobros]

Having owned both, I think they are both great watches. My BLRO is a forever watch. As far as hype.. the hype I remember as a kid -- was Magnum PI cruising around in "his" Ferrari wearing that sweet watch! I had a better chance of flying to the moon than owning the 1675.. I digress. It's demand and Tom Selleck's fault.

[gold&black]

The BLNR aka Batgirl is more readily available at the AD. Picking mine up tomorrow!

[EEpro]

Originally Posted by mario1971

Perhaps they were fed up with the hustle and bustle. Or perhaps they have already fulfilled (satiated) and retired from watches. Now they go fishing together with their grandchildren, drinking a cold beer and talking about their watch loves, fascinations and failures, as well as about the friendships and wars they fought on this forum.

Originally Posted by Mystro

Mainly stayed away from social media but still keeps in touch with many of us. Some of these were outstanding watchmakers so they have their own circles and still working on watches. So much inside info about brands, movements, watch parts, etc that cant be repeated on a open forum.

Understand all that, just curious if there was an online place to discuss more technical topics.

[TswaneNguni]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Understand all that, just curious if there was an online place to discuss more technical topics.

I would like to know too !

[1665fan]

Pepsi less produced.....easy answer

[Posh Gentleman]

if you are a serious watch fan, you would realize very quickly that tiny differences in dial color, bezel, etc can make big difference in secondary price.

ex: AP RO in blue dial vs white.

blnr vs blro price delta isnt that big tho, btw. it is at most 2-3k difference.

for 2k more, id buy the reference i really want. not enough of a big diff for me to cheap out on a cheaper model.

that being said, i own blnr and daytona C in black dial, which also is cheaper than daytona C in white.

[EyeoftheTiger]

More sought after , demand

[DoctorsOrders]

In the case of the BLRO I would say that it’s a combination of history and hype. But for the white Daytona imo it’s all hype.

[Frank McKay]

Originally Posted by EEpro

BLRO is my daily and thus far favorite watch I've ever owned (until my blue 4500V arrives and knocks it down a peg).

There's just something special about it. It's a clear case of synergy to me. I felt the same way about the Ernie Ball musicman basses 20 years ago.

You can list what it is and what it has and compare it up and down but all together it takes on something bigger.

Well said. Same for me.

[Goin2drt]

Originally Posted by 1665fan

Pepsi less produced.....easy answer

Proof please.

[NorthboundRolex]

There are 2 variations of the BLNR. The Batgirl looks like the Batman except for the fact the blue on the bezel is of a lighter shade and the bracelet is a jubilee instead of an oyster. So, there's a lot of both models on the market.

There is only 1 Pepsi ceramic variant, hence why the larger premium.

It's obvious.

[kizerman]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Hype

It's not hype, it's demand backed by the history of the color combination. Most people find it to be a better combo regardless of the history.

[NYG1121]

Originally Posted by EEpro

Understand all that, just curious if there was an online place to discuss more technical topics.

Yes there is. It is actually within these forums. Try the vintage discussions or even the PP/AP/Omega/non-rolex forums. Way better discussions IMO

[brandrea]

IMHO, much of it has to do with the fact that the BLNR has been out for quite a few years during the BLRO’s absence. There was always a yearning among the watch community for Rolex to bring back the Pepsi in stainless steel and when the BLRO was introduced in 2018 it was a smashing success. Demand still is high.

[iTreelex]

pure hype. There are so many BLROs on the grey market, it's not a unicorn.

[1665fan]

Originally Posted by Goin2drt

Proof please.

Ask any AD.....they receive less pepsi.....all the flippers/greys have more Batman’s than Pepsi’s....facts

[rolexperfect]

Demand or not, I love red and blue on a ceramic bezel... it's just so so sexy

[Snaponmyrolex]

Originally Posted by brandrea

IMHO, much of it has to do with the fact that the BLNR has been out for quite a few years during the BLRO’s absence. There was always a yearning among the watch community for Rolex to bring back the Pepsi in stainless steel and when the BLRO was introduced in 2018 it was a smashing success. Demand still is high.

This..

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[upsidedownbelt]

Originally Posted by Mystro

Yup, this crap got out of hand years ago and should have been squashed. It was a Pandora's box we all though would burn out. It was guised as a movement to make the brand look less stuffy and more fun so the newbies didnt have to learn the actual Rolex designations.

There was a lot of push back to the nicknames and most of the hardcore keepers of the crown left the forum because of it. There was more professional talent and inside watchmaking skill that left than this forum would ever see again.

Keepers of the crown?

[Pimpsy]

Red/blue is a sportier looking color combo that better suits the vibe of the watch.

[upsidedownbelt]

Originally Posted by kizerman

It's not hype, it's demand backed by the history of the color combination. Most people find it to be a better combo regardless of the history.

This. This hype word is way overused on this forum. At what point is something just regarded as better and therefore demands a premium?