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alphamale2012 · 4 May 2009, 07:42 PM

I'm looking to buy my 1st sub. looking at a 1989 5513 and a 2001 14060M. Both are almost the same price 2000 to 2500. Which would be a better choice and why as to be honest they both look the same to me.

delldeaton · 4 May 2009, 07:46 PM

May be a tough question to answer "for you" without knowing more "about you."

How are you planning to wear the watch? What are you looking for? There are obviously a number of technical differences that folks here will no doubt weigh in on, as well as value-retention, et cetera.

In the end, these, I think, will help narrow what inevitably will have a "value judgment" discussion.

Good question overall, however.

padi56 · 4 May 2009, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by alphamale2012

I'm looking to buy my 1st sub. looking at a 1989 5513 and a 2001 14060M. Both are almost the same price 2000 to 2500. Which would be a better choice and why as to be honest they both look the same to me.

Well speaking for myself would choose the 5513 both excellent watches with very reliable movements,but the 5513 is more the classic non date sub.

harvey · 4 May 2009, 08:12 PM

good luck with either!

abr68 · 4 May 2009, 08:21 PM

Hi,
Both are excellent choices

As Dell pointed out the watches are quite different which makes it difficult to give you an advise.
Me personally would go for the 5513 but it depends 1st on the personal taste and 2nd what you yourself expect from a watch....

alphamale2012 · 4 May 2009, 08:56 PM

I probably end up wearing it on a nato as a daily wearer. Are both movements the same and reliable?

padi56 · 4 May 2009, 09:26 PM

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Originally Posted by alphamale2012

I probably end up wearing it on a nato as a daily wearer. Are both movements the same and reliable?

A 2001 14060M Cal3130 28800BPH movement,and in the 5513 Cal 1530 19800 BPH movement.The 1530 is the last generation of this IMHO one of the finest and highly regarded movements Rolex has ever made, before they changed to the 3 series for all the mens range except the chrono.

al_bongo · 4 May 2009, 09:42 PM

The 14060M will also have a sapphire crystal. The 5513 is plexiglass I believe.
Pros and cons here too. Sapphire very much more scrtach resistant. Less glare/reflection from plexi.

mcubed · 4 May 2009, 10:43 PM

I am probably in the minority here, but unless you are really into vintage watches, I would go with the 14060, because (as I have argued before) it is a better watch. Higher depth rating, improved movement, sapphire crystal (which under normal conditions is much more durable) plus for an every day watch, I would go newer.

The 5513 is held in high regard as the classic sub, but I would prefer to take advantage of the upgrades Rolex made in the 14060, which were substantial and useful.. JMHO

redshirt1957 · 4 May 2009, 11:13 PM

5513.

JimSnyder · 4 May 2009, 11:50 PM

5513

14060

..........they are both nice

redshirt1957 · 5 May 2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by JimSnyder

5513

14060

..........they are both nice

Thinking of running for office I see.

JimSnyder · 5 May 2009, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by redshirt1957

Thinking of running for office I see.

Subs and Buds

Lol-x · 5 May 2009, 12:51 AM

I have the 5513 and it is my preference. You can polish the crystal so scratches aren't really a problem. I just like the 1530 movement, that slower beat still works as accurately as the more modern movement, and the vintage aspect just adds more character and ye old e world charm.

Marrk · 5 May 2009, 01:07 AM

Both great and, properly serviced, both will serve you well.

The 5513 may be slightly more comfortable on the wrist.

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Originally Posted by alphamale2012

Both are almost the same price 2000 to 2500.

USD or GBP?

padi56 · 5 May 2009, 01:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Marrk

Both great and, properly serviced, both will serve you well.

The 5513 may be slightly more comfortable on the wrist.

USD or GBP?

Pounds sterling

Tools · 5 May 2009, 01:58 AM

I'll go slightly against the grain on this one..

The 5513 might be my preference...but I rotate between a dozen watches and am not concerned about scratches on the crystal or parts for the movement...

What I would be concerned with though, if I wore the watch daily, is exactly that, the movement and the plexi, as well as the bracelet and the lack of lume or breakdown of the lume on the dial...

They are all old....Rolex has stated publicly that they will phase out parts inventory for the 15xx movements, and if the bracelet is 20 years old, it may show some wear that is dificult to reverse..

Therefore, If it's for every day wear...I would go with the new movement, new crystal, and bracelet in relatively new condition on the 14060M..

alphamale2012 · 5 May 2009, 02:54 AM

Well said Larry.

pdxrolex · 5 May 2009, 03:38 AM

14060M - Classic looks, with modern technology.

PhilM · 5 May 2009, 04:48 AM

Have to add that's a very good price on the 5513

jdc · 5 May 2009, 05:30 AM

they both are great watches, my preference would be 5513 as I like plexi glass but Larry's comments make sense as well. What condition are the watches in and do they come with boxes and papers?

redshirt1957 · 5 May 2009, 05:37 AM

Hope this helps.

Here is my 5513 with Gloss Dial and Gold Surrounds. Hands have been replaced and are Tritium. Most folks here do not consider the Gloss Dial with Gold Surrounds as vintage. I for one like the look of patina with Gold Surrounds.

Side shot of the 5513 trying to give you a feel of the dome of the acrylic crystal.

Picture of my 14060 with hands and dail that have not aged (patina). This one has tritium dail and hands, and of course, is not a M.

Side shot of the 14060 and sapphire crystal.

Finally a shot of my 5512. I wanted to give you an idea what a 5513 with Matte dial, with matching patina of dial and hands, would look like if you wanted to go that way. Again, hope this helps.

JimSnyder · 5 May 2009, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by redshirt1957

Hope this helps.

Here is my 5513 with Gloss Dial and Gold Surrounds. Hands have been replaced and are Tritium. Most folks here do not consider the Gloss Dial with Gold Surrounds as vintage. I for one like the look of patina with Gold Surrounds.

Side shot of the 5513 trying to give you a feel of the dome of the acrylic crystal.

Picture of my 14060 with hands and dail that have not aged (patina). This one has tritium dail and hands, and of course, is not a M.

Side shot of the 14060 and sapphire crystal.

Finally a shot of my 5512. I wanted to give you an idea what a 5513 with Matte dial, with matching patina of dial and hands, would look like if you wanted to go that way. Again, hope this helps.

redshirt1957 · 5 May 2009, 07:56 AM

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Originally Posted by JimSnyder

You do know which one is yours.

JimSnyder · 5 May 2009, 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by redshirt1957

You do know which one is yours.

mike · 5 May 2009, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tools

I'll go slightly against the grain on this one..

The 5513 might be my preference...but I rotate between a dozen watches and am not concerned about scratches on the crystal or parts for the movement...

What I would be concerned with though, if I wore the watch daily, is exactly that, the movement and the plexi, as well as the bracelet and the lack of lume or breakdown of the lume on the dial...

They are all old....Rolex has stated publicly that they will phase out parts inventory for the 15xx movements, and if the bracelet is 20 years old, it may show some wear that is dificult to reverse..

Therefore, If it's for every day wear...I would go with the new movement, new crystal, and bracelet in relatively new condition on the 14060M..

I'll go with Larry on this one given the timeframes of the two watches. Had it been a matt dial 5513 that would be a no brainer for me.

4 May 2009, 07:42 PM	#1
alphamale2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Posts: 1,305	14060M vs 5513 I'm looking to buy my 1st sub. looking at a 1989 5513 and a 2001 14060M. Both are almost the same price 2000 to 2500. Which would be a better choice and why as to be honest they both look the same to me.

4 May 2009, 07:46 PM	#2
delldeaton "TRF" Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Real Name: Dell Deaton Location: NAWCC Museum! Watch: Never kiss & tell! Posts: 883	Criteria--? May be a tough question to answer "for you" without knowing more "about you." How are you planning to wear the watch? What are you looking for? There are obviously a number of technical differences that folks here will no doubt weigh in on, as well as value-retention, et cetera. In the end, these, I think, will help narrow what inevitably will have a "value judgment" discussion. Good question overall, however. __________________ . Watches, James Bond Watches .

4 May 2009, 08:12 PM	#4
harvey "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: rolexforums.com Posts: 5,438	good luck with either! __________________ And ever has it been that love knows not its own depth until the hour of separation.

4 May 2009, 11:50 PM	#11
JimSnyder "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Real Name: Jim Snyder Location: Ohio Watch: Ask me later..... Posts: 7,726	5513 14060 ..........they are both nice __________________ "You ain't lived, 'til you've had your tires rotated by a red-headed women."

5 May 2009, 12:51 AM	#14
Lol-x Facilitator Join Date: Nov 2005 Real Name: Steve Location: Omnipresent Posts: 33,593	I have the 5513 and it is my preference. You can polish the crystal so scratches aren't really a problem. I just like the 1530 movement, that slower beat still works as accurately as the more modern movement, and the vintage aspect just adds more character and ye old e world charm. __________________ *Most folks are about as happy as they make up their minds to be.* ~Abraham Lincoln Nothing compares to the simple pleasure of a bike ride. ~John F. Kennedy ROLEXploitation - yeah I'm a victim

4 May 2009, 08:21 PM	#5
abr68 Banned Join Date: Dec 2007 Real Name: Axel Location: Germany Watch: view my signature Posts: 612	Hi, Both are excellent choices As Dell pointed out the watches are quite different which makes it difficult to give you an advise. Me personally would go for the 5513 but it depends 1st on the personal taste and 2nd what you yourself expect from a watch....

4 May 2009, 08:56 PM	#6
alphamale2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Posts: 1,305	I probably end up wearing it on a nato as a daily wearer. Are both movements the same and reliable?

4 May 2009, 09:42 PM	#8
al_bongo "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 444	The 14060M will also have a sapphire crystal. The 5513 is plexiglass I believe. Pros and cons here too. Sapphire very much more scrtach resistant. Less glare/reflection from plexi.

4 May 2009, 10:43 PM	#9
mcubed "TRF" Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: US Posts: 468	I am probably in the minority here, but unless you are really into vintage watches, I would go with the 14060, because (as I have argued before) it is a better watch. Higher depth rating, improved movement, sapphire crystal (which under normal conditions is much more durable) plus for an every day watch, I would go newer. The 5513 is held in high regard as the classic sub, but I would prefer to take advantage of the upgrades Rolex made in the 14060, which were substantial and useful.. JMHO

4 May 2009, 11:13 PM	#10
redshirt1957 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Bubba Location: Bitsyville! Watch: Blue YM today! Posts: 10,053	5513.

5 May 2009, 01:58 AM	#17
Tools TRF Moderator & 2024 SubLV41 Patron Join Date: May 2007 Real Name: Larry Location: Mojave Desert Watch: GMT's Posts: 43,515	I'll go slightly against the grain on this one.. The 5513 might be my preference...but I rotate between a dozen watches and am not concerned about scratches on the crystal or parts for the movement... What I would be concerned with though, if I wore the watch daily, is exactly that, the movement and the plexi, as well as the bracelet and the lack of lume or breakdown of the lume on the dial... They are all old....Rolex has stated publicly that they will phase out parts inventory for the 15xx movements, and if the bracelet is 20 years old, it may show some wear that is dificult to reverse.. Therefore, If it's for every day wear...I would go with the new movement, new crystal, and bracelet in relatively new condition on the 14060M.. __________________ (Chill ... It's just a watch Forum.....) NAWCC Member

5 May 2009, 02:54 AM	#18
alphamale2012 "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Real Name: Sam Location: UK Posts: 1,305	Well said Larry.

5 May 2009, 03:38 AM	#19
pdxrolex "TRF" Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: US Posts: 123	14060M - Classic looks, with modern technology.

5 May 2009, 04:48 AM	#20
PhilM "TRF" Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Real Name: Phil Location: London Watch: Sea-Dweller Posts: 1,765	Have to add that's a very good price on the 5513

5 May 2009, 05:30 AM	#21
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	they both are great watches, my preference would be 5513 as I like plexi glass but Larry's comments make sense as well. What condition are the watches in and do they come with boxes and papers?

5 May 2009, 05:37 AM	#22
redshirt1957 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Bubba Location: Bitsyville! Watch: Blue YM today! Posts: 10,053	Hope this helps. Here is my 5513 with Gloss Dial and Gold Surrounds. Hands have been replaced and are Tritium. Most folks here do not consider the Gloss Dial with Gold Surrounds as vintage. I for one like the look of patina with Gold Surrounds. Side shot of the 5513 trying to give you a feel of the dome of the acrylic crystal. Picture of my 14060 with hands and dail that have not aged (patina). This one has tritium dail and hands, and of course, is not a M. Side shot of the 14060 and sapphire crystal. Finally a shot of my 5512. I wanted to give you an idea what a 5513 with Matte dial, with matching patina of dial and hands, would look like if you wanted to go that way. Again, hope this helps.

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