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Jimbits76 · 6 May 2009, 10:04 PM

Why do we work ourselves up with polls or demands or wants lists?

Red on the dial? Polished centres links? Date on a Daytona? Shade of blue on the TT Sub? SELs? New improved clasps?

Does Rolex listen?

On the evidence of Basel and the direction of their product evidently not.

I still care about the brand and stand by it but I'm losing faith with the modern product (aside from the GV) and I find it tiring to get all worked up about watch sizes, date or non dates or whatever.

Rolex will do what Rolex wants...they couldn't care less about us.

Do you agree?

J

Andad · 6 May 2009, 10:12 PM

Yeah Baby.

landroverking · 6 May 2009, 10:16 PM

Well all I can say is you are right, however there are alot of buyers out there who are not watch nuts like us here that Rolex feels like they need to keep and aquire their busniess. True watch collectors like the fine folks on this site likely make up a small part of Rolex new sales.

Jimbits76 · 6 May 2009, 10:17 PM

That is a beauty Eddie and the only thing of recent times that has kept the fire lit.

A truly gorgeous (and still rare in the UK) timepiece!

J

Jimbits76 · 6 May 2009, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by landroverking

Well all I can say is you are right, however there are alot of buyers out there who are not watch nuts like us here that Rolex feels like they need to keep and aquire their busniess. True watch collectors like the fine folks on this site likely make up a small part of Rolex new sales.

I'm in full agreement. I'd imagine many of the celebs etc who endorse the watches or wear them on the red carpet have no idea about beats per hour or bp hairsprings etc.

In fact I'd say many of the well to do types who wear them don't have a clue either...Could the problem with Rolex be the brand Rolex?

J

nylawbiz · 6 May 2009, 10:31 PM

Well, I am pretty sure Rolex monitors this website. AD's who are mentioned on here as giving discounts or shipping out of state are contacted by Rolex and dealt with.

Rolex may act aloof and above our idle chit chat, but I honestly believe they are interested in the postings on here. Rolex just wants us to believe that decisions are made in a vacuum, and they are independent of the concerns of people like us.

Little to we know how much influence we could have, if we just organized a little more, and put some reasonable demands on Rolex.

Jimbits76 · 6 May 2009, 10:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nylawbiz

Well, I am pretty sure Rolex monitors this website. AD's who are mentioned on here as giving discounts or shipping out of state are contacted by Rolex and dealt with.

Rolex may act aloof and above our idle chit chat, but I honestly believe they are interested in the postings on here. Rolex just wants us to believe that decisions are made in a vacuum, and they are independent of the concerns of people like us.

Little to we know how much influence we could have, if we just organized a little more, and put some reasonable demands on Rolex.

That seems pie in the sky stuff to me.

This forum is a minority when compared to the amount of Rolex's sold each year. There is also the case that many of the serious buyers on here would only be buying vintage which would in no way affect Rolex's current profit/loss.

I can understand AD's checking it, perhaps Rolex techs but the head honchos ...no way!

They would shift the same number of their watches regardless of our "input".

That is my belief anyway!

J

DVR · 6 May 2009, 10:38 PM

I also agree polls and remarks will not make any difference. And honestly , I am happy for that. Rolex is Rolex and imho are still doing a superb job.

Also I feel there is nothing wrong with the new models from Rolex.
DJII will be a big seller for sure, the GMTIIC is a top seller, even the new gold sub's are selling very good (better than the old model ?).

Love the new Daytona dials (gold models) !

I agree the smurf blue is not as nice as the old deep blue. But that is a sacrifice Rolex made to be able to work with ceramic. Maybe in a few years they develop the skills to make ceramic as dark blue as the old.

Which (new) models do you dislike ?

casadecamporolex · 6 May 2009, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nylawbiz

Well, I am pretty sure Rolex monitors this website. AD's who are mentioned on here as giving discounts or shipping out of state are contacted by Rolex and dealt with.

Rolex may act aloof and above our idle chit chat, but I honestly believe they are interested in the postings on here. Rolex just wants us to believe that decisions are made in a vacuum, and they are independent of the concerns of people like us.

Little to we know how much influence we could have, if we just organized a little more, and put some reasonable demands on Rolex.

I believe that if Rolex monitored this website, certain sellers of new watches here would be facing legal actions.
My feeling is that Rolex is in such an ivory tower that they could care less what anyone says here or for that matter anywhere.

nylawbiz · 6 May 2009, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

That seems pie in the sky stuff to me.

This forum is a minority when compared to the amount of Rolex's sold each year. There is also the case that many of the serious buyers on here would only be buying vintage which would in no way affect Rolex's current profit/loss.

I can understand AD's checking it, perhaps Rolex techs but the head honchos ...no way!

They would shift the same number of their watches regardless of our "input".

That is my belief anyway!

J

I'm not saying Rolex's head honchos are checking it out, but their minions are for sure. Any company as secretive as Rolex has to have a high degree of paranoia. Just goes with the territory.

Honestly, no one knows how much of the Rolex market is influenced by this website. I wonder if the moderators can give us an idea of how many hits this site gets in a week. I venture to guess in the tens of thousands. Remember, those who post are probably a smal percentage of those who visit the website. We should not under estimate the influence this website could have over Rolex.

The internet as a democratization tool.

nylawbiz · 6 May 2009, 10:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by casadecamporolex

I believe that if Rolex monitored this website, certain sellers of new watches here would be facing legal actions.
My feeling is that Rolex is in such an ivory tower that they could care less what anyone says here or for that matter anywhere.

Thats what they want you to think. What actions on here would result in legal action by Rolex? I never saw any illegality on here?

Jimbits76 · 6 May 2009, 10:43 PM

All of em

Just kidding...of recent stuff..

I don't like the DDII or DJII...the bezel seems too big and the face too small when compared to the case.

I'm not all that passionate about the Deepsea...I know many love it but I prefer the SD to be honest.

Any of the blingy diamond stuff.

I don't like the smurf blue.

What do I like?

The plain dialled cos Cos...gold versions and rose gold are stunners.
The Black TT Sub
The MG especially the GV (best looking Rolex by a mile IMHO)

One thing that I will surely be flamed for is that I preferred the old GMT. The ceramic one, whilst obviously a great watch just doesn't do it for me. Probably the lack of a Pepsi option and the bezel fonts.

I'm turning into a rolex hater!

DVR · 6 May 2009, 10:55 PM

Jim, I am not (yet) crazy about the DD/DJII either but for us there is still the DD and DJ which are still (in my book) one of the purest watches ever designed.

So that's the beauty of it. There is something for everyone now.
Before the walll clock lovers had to shop elswhere, now they can buy a rolex DS or the new DD/DJII.

Jimbits76 · 6 May 2009, 10:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DVR

Jim, I am not (yet) crazy about the DD/DJII either but for us there is still the DD and DJ which are still (in my book) one of the purest watches ever designed.

So that's the beauty of it. There is something for everyone now.
Before the walll clock lovers had to shop elswhere, now they can buy a rolex DS or the new DD/DJII.

I guess you're right.

Variety is the spice of life. etc

New models mean new blood...just hopefully not at the expense of the classics!

J

JimSnyder · 6 May 2009, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

All of em

Just kidding...of recent stuff..

I don't like the DDII or DJII...the bezel seems too big and the face too small when compared to the case.

I'm not all that passionate about the Deepsea...I know many love it but I prefer the SD to be honest.

Any of the blingy diamond stuff.

I don't like the smurf blue.

What do I like?

The plain dialled cos Cos...gold versions and rose gold are stunners.
The Black TT Sub
The MG especially the GV (best looking Rolex by a mile IMHO)

One thing that I will surely be flamed for is that I preferred the old GMT. The ceramic one, whilst obviously a great watch just doesn't do it for me. Probably the lack of a Pepsi option and the bezel fonts.

I'm turning into a rolex hater!

Great thread. I will stick with what brought me to Rolex in the first place! I'm with you Jim. I like the old GMT. The Sub no date in my opinion is "The Watch"

The only new Rolex that moves me is the Air King. I like the MG but the second hand has to go. I hate the Daytona hour markers

they look like something Casio would use. I agree about the new case sizes making the dials look small. What can I say, I'm old school

Jimbits76 · 7 May 2009, 12:23 AM

Cheers Jim.

I like the Airking and DJ too in white black and rhodium dials (do they still make those flavours?).

I like it no nonsense. In fact although I'm not a fan, I can see why many Rolex owners are buying Pams....they seem pretty no nonsense although all the special edition stuff and fancy schmancy straps kinda defeat the purpose.

J

Jimbits76 · 7 May 2009, 12:26 AM

Jim

Just wanted to add...

If I had the money Id buy you a 10460 in a heartbeat...non cosc of course.

J

jdc · 7 May 2009, 12:37 AM

well me little Chuckle brother why on earth would they listen to us banging on about the old days, 5513's oysterdates etc.
Now there are some enlightened ones on here who know fashion trends, women's watches, sizes etc. Me I'm just happy with my head in the sand liking plastic glass, non ceramic bezels wearing my boy size watches. Join me in the bunker

Jimbits76 · 7 May 2009, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdc

well me little Chuckle brother why on earth would they listen to us banging on about the old days, 5513's oysterdates etc.
Now there are some enlightened ones on here who know fashion trends, women's watches, sizes etc. Me I'm just happy with my head in the sand liking plastic glass, non ceramic bezels wearing my boy size watches. Join me in the bunker

I shall old bean.

Drinks are on me!

J

Dan Pierce · 7 May 2009, 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdc

well me little Chuckle brother why on earth would they listen to us banging on about the old days, 5513's oysterdates etc.
Now there are some enlightened ones on here who know fashion trends, women's watches, sizes etc. Me I'm just happy with my head in the sand liking plastic glass, non ceramic bezels wearing my boy size watches. Join me in the bunker

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

I shall old bean.

Drinks are on me!

J

I'll join y'all.

dP

Jimbits76 · 7 May 2009, 01:05 AM

You are always welcome in our land and our bunker Daniel!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just remember the beer is warm!

J

Dan Pierce · 7 May 2009, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

You are always welcome in our land and our bunker Daniel!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just remember the beer is warm!

J

The sacrifices one has to make..........

dP

redshirt1957 · 7 May 2009, 01:17 AM

A twenty year old watch is new to me so I don't pay much attention to the new ones. By the time the current watches become vintage, I won't be able to care.

JimSnyder · 7 May 2009, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdc

well me little Chuckle brother why on earth would they listen to us banging on about the old days, 5513's oysterdates etc.
Now there are some enlightened ones on here who know fashion trends, women's watches, sizes etc. Me I'm just happy with my head in the sand liking plastic glass, non ceramic bezels wearing my boy size watches. Join me in the bunker

Martin, I've got your back!! Should I bring snacks

JimSnyder · 7 May 2009, 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbits76

Jim

Just wanted to add...

If I had the money Id buy you a 10460 in a heartbeat...non cosc of course.

J

And for you a Pepsi GMT, if I could. You deserve it my friend

Jimbits76 · 7 May 2009, 01:41 AM

I'm happy with my LV and 57 OD man.

As Claire keeps saying..."What the hell are you whinging about. Most people would love just one Rolex watch!"

J

JimSnyder · 7 May 2009, 01:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dan Pierce

I'll join y'all.

dP

Dan, will it "Snow" by the weekend

Teninx · 7 May 2009, 01:48 AM

As reserved as the model is, it's highly unlikely that a stranger would notice that I'm wearing an Air King without making a deliberate effort to see the watch face. The only time I've received a comment about any watch I've worn was while wearing a flashy and cheap Quorum automatic.

Dan Pierce · 7 May 2009, 02:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JimSnyder

Dan, will it "Snow" by the weekend

Well??? The snowflake is done but still waiting for the new bezel insert.

I'm gonna pick it up tomorrow regardless and will return to have the new insert fitted if needed.

Now for the weather, I'm praying for no rain cause we're having a huge party at the house Friday night.

Fingers are crossed.

dP

SDDS · 7 May 2009, 02:19 AM

very nice shots Jim...

6 May 2009, 10:04 PM	#1
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	Do Rolex even care? Why do we work ourselves up with polls or demands or wants lists? Red on the dial? Polished centres links? Date on a Daytona? Shade of blue on the TT Sub? SELs? New improved clasps? Does Rolex listen? On the evidence of Basel and the direction of their product evidently not. I still care about the brand and stand by it but I'm losing faith with the modern product (aside from the GV) and I find it tiring to get all worked up about watch sizes, date or non dates or whatever. Rolex will do what Rolex wants...they couldn't care less about us. Do you agree? J

6 May 2009, 10:12 PM	#2
Andad 2024 SubLV41 Pledge Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Real Name: Eddie Location: Australia Watch: A few. Posts: 37,526	Yeah Baby. Attached Images __________________ E

7 May 2009, 02:19 AM	#30
SDDS "TRF" Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Real Name: Yazan Location: Canada Posts: 4,782	very nice shots Jim... __________________ Patek Philippe 5167 Patek Philippe 5905P black dial Rolex Deepsea 116660 M series Rolex Oysterquartz 17000 N series Rolex OP 41MM 124300 Green Dial

6 May 2009, 10:16 PM	#3
landroverking "TRF" Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Real Name: Jay Location: TEXAS Watch: Daytona Posts: 7,648	Well all I can say is you are right, however there are alot of buyers out there who are not watch nuts like us here that Rolex feels like they need to keep and aquire their busniess. True watch collectors like the fine folks on this site likely make up a small part of Rolex new sales.

6 May 2009, 10:17 PM	#4
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	That is a beauty Eddie and the only thing of recent times that has kept the fire lit. A truly gorgeous (and still rare in the UK) timepiece! J

6 May 2009, 10:31 PM	#6
nylawbiz Member Join Date: May 2008 Real Name: Brian Location: New York Watch: too many Posts: 705	Well, I am pretty sure Rolex monitors this website. AD's who are mentioned on here as giving discounts or shipping out of state are contacted by Rolex and dealt with. Rolex may act aloof and above our idle chit chat, but I honestly believe they are interested in the postings on here. Rolex just wants us to believe that decisions are made in a vacuum, and they are independent of the concerns of people like us. Little to we know how much influence we could have, if we just organized a little more, and put some reasonable demands on Rolex.

6 May 2009, 10:38 PM	#8
DVR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Denis Location: Flanders, EU Watch: Diver watches Posts: 2,009	I also agree polls and remarks will not make any difference. And honestly , I am happy for that. Rolex is Rolex and imho are still doing a superb job. Also I feel there is nothing wrong with the new models from Rolex. DJII will be a big seller for sure, the GMTIIC is a top seller, even the new gold sub's are selling very good (better than the old model ?). Love the new Daytona dials (gold models) ! I agree the smurf blue is not as nice as the old deep blue. But that is a sacrifice Rolex made to be able to work with ceramic. Maybe in a few years they develop the skills to make ceramic as dark blue as the old. Which (new) models do you dislike ?

6 May 2009, 10:43 PM	#12
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	All of em Just kidding...of recent stuff.. I don't like the DDII or DJII...the bezel seems too big and the face too small when compared to the case. I'm not all that passionate about the Deepsea...I know many love it but I prefer the SD to be honest. Any of the blingy diamond stuff. I don't like the smurf blue. What do I like? The plain dialled cos Cos...gold versions and rose gold are stunners. The Black TT Sub The MG especially the GV (best looking Rolex by a mile IMHO) One thing that I will surely be flamed for is that I preferred the old GMT. The ceramic one, whilst obviously a great watch just doesn't do it for me. Probably the lack of a Pepsi option and the bezel fonts. I'm turning into a rolex hater!

6 May 2009, 10:55 PM	#13
DVR "TRF" Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Real Name: Denis Location: Flanders, EU Watch: Diver watches Posts: 2,009	Jim, I am not (yet) crazy about the DD/DJII either but for us there is still the DD and DJ which are still (in my book) one of the purest watches ever designed. So that's the beauty of it. There is something for everyone now. Before the walll clock lovers had to shop elswhere, now they can buy a rolex DS or the new DD/DJII.

7 May 2009, 12:23 AM	#16
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	Cheers Jim. I like the Airking and DJ too in white black and rhodium dials (do they still make those flavours?). I like it no nonsense. In fact although I'm not a fan, I can see why many Rolex owners are buying Pams....they seem pretty no nonsense although all the special edition stuff and fancy schmancy straps kinda defeat the purpose. J

7 May 2009, 12:26 AM	#17
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	Jim Just wanted to add... If I had the money Id buy you a 10460 in a heartbeat...non cosc of course. J

7 May 2009, 12:37 AM	#18
jdc "TRF" Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Real Name: Martin Location: UK Posts: 7,023	well me little Chuckle brother why on earth would they listen to us banging on about the old days, 5513's oysterdates etc. Now there are some enlightened ones on here who know fashion trends, women's watches, sizes etc. Me I'm just happy with my head in the sand liking plastic glass, non ceramic bezels wearing my boy size watches. Join me in the bunker

7 May 2009, 01:05 AM	#21
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	You are always welcome in our land and our bunker Daniel!!!!!!!!!!!! Just remember the beer is warm! J

7 May 2009, 01:17 AM	#23
redshirt1957 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Real Name: Bubba Location: Bitsyville! Watch: Blue YM today! Posts: 10,053	A twenty year old watch is new to me so I don't pay much attention to the new ones. By the time the current watches become vintage, I won't be able to care.

7 May 2009, 01:41 AM	#26
Jimbits76 "TRF" Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: UK Posts: 9,407	I'm happy with my LV and 57 OD man. As Claire keeps saying..."What the hell are you whinging about. Most people would love just one Rolex watch!" J

7 May 2009, 01:48 AM	#28
Teninx Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Hampshire Posts: 36	As reserved as the model is, it's highly unlikely that a stranger would notice that I'm wearing an Air King without making a deliberate effort to see the watch face. The only time I've received a comment about any watch I've worn was while wearing a flashy and cheap Quorum automatic.

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