32xx movement problem poll and data thread

[amanbra]

Yay my yachtmaster 126655 which began its life at +2.5 this morning I found was doing -4 :) jan 2020 purchase.

Nice one Rolex! It now joins my dj36 in the problem bucket.

Waiting until right at the end to send into warranty.


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[CharlesN]

Your watch has clearly has something going on.

I would send the watch into your local RSC (direct to RSC not your local AD) for a regulation.

If I recall correctly tou have a Weishi Timegrapher.

I would do a few readings before sending it in ...
5 Positions.
P.R. diuration.
24 Hour monitoring with as many data points as you can manage.

Print that data and send it in with your watch.
That will have a good effect at the RSC ... They will know you are being serious about what you are observing.
They will know that you will test your watch on its return so they better get it right first time.

Make sure you keep a copy of the printouts for yourself so you can compare the results before and after.

Sending it in now does not make any difference to your warranty.
You can send your watch in for a full service before warranty ends if there is still a problem etc. Thjis way you have another change of getting everything to be correct for you.

Send your DJ36 in atb the same time.

Please post your before resuklts here.
When tyiur watch is returned please post BOTH the original and after results here also.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have for the last 24 hours been monitoring my Omega Aqua-Terra.

I started with a full wind and waited 15 mins before I started measuring.
The lift angle was 38 Degrees
Dial up for the entire test




It has a Co-Axial movement ref 8508.

It has left a very interesting and totally different Trace for us all to see …….





The trace VERY clearly shows that as the Amplitude decreases over time the Rate increases and as the Amplitude decreases the rate increases.

This is very different to Rolex watches. It is the opposite almost.



The timekeeping was pretty good also with an x of +1.6 spd
The beat error was 0.0 ... Outstanding.



In real world testing on my wrist, My watch gained about 1.5 seconds a day.

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Hey Rolex is like this too. I have four 32xx watches now. When they are running I. Spec they do gain a bit of time as the pr runs lower and the amplitude drops. This is because the oscillations are at tad quicker.

The issue is as the problem manifests the drop in amplitude is because of increased friction not because of power pr. Hence it slows down.

For what it’s worth my nomos shows the same speed up behaviour too.


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by amanbra

Hey Rolex is like this too.

This is not what I am finding and others also find the same as me.

Below is a copy of my screen from yesterday monitoring my Rolex 126610 and the “Dips” can be seen in both amplitude and rate.
The same is happening today as I am monitoring the watch still.

The Omega is different I presume because it has a Co-Axial movement and my other watches with Co-Ax movements behave similarly.

None of my Rolex or other watches with Non-Co-Ax do the same as the Co-Ax with “Reverse” observations.

How are you monitoring your Amplitude and Rate and with what frequency of observations ?

I am monitoring and recording observations every 30 seconds .. Thats 2880 times in 24 Hours.





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[amanbra]

Both a timegrapher and WatchTracker

Below is my dj36 when it was brand new. Worn for four days and then tracked. I was testing pr as it was first 70 pr watch.

See the increase and then drop right at the end. The amp was steadily decreasing.




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[CharlesN]

[QUOTE=amanbra;11521893I have four 32xx watches now. [/QUOTE]

I have just noticed that you have four 32xx watches.

Can you provide any Timegrapher data on them ?
I think i read in one of your posts that you have a Timegrapher.

That would be great and very helpful if you could.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

I have just noticed that you have four 32xx watches.

Can you provide any Timegrapher data on them ?
I think i read in one of your posts that you have a Timegrapher.

That would be great and very helpful if you could.

Back when I was tracking this stuff this is all I collected. I’ve stopped now and I just plan to send my watches in for warranty at the four year mark. A bit over it all. I do trust Rolex will perma fix it at some point.




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[CharlesN]

Calling one and all .....

If you have a Rolex with a 32xx movement and a timegrapher can you please take some data measurements as described earlier in this thread, but, if you need a reminder just let me know.

Please then post your data in this thread.

Any data you can give would be great.

[GBDiaz]

Hey guys! Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm new to the watch world! I will be purchasing my new Sub Date shortly, but all the talk of the 32XX movement has me a little concerned. Love the new improvements made, but scared about the reliability issues they've been having. Just wondering, when any improvements are made to the 32XX, are those updates added to my movement when sending my watch in for the interval service? I was thinking of holding off till the reliability stuff is sorted out, but I have the opportunity to purchase a new Sub Date from an AD. I feel like I should jump on it, and would love to have that peace of mind as this watch will be worn daily.

[Mal H.]

Originally Posted by GBDiaz

Hey guys! Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm new to the watch world! I will be purchasing my new Sub Date shortly, but all the talk of the 32XX movement has me a little concerned. Love the new improvements made, but scared about the reliability issues they've been having. Just wondering, when any improvements are made to the 32XX, are those updates added to my movement when sending my watch in for the interval service? I was thinking of holding off till the reliability stuff is sorted out, but I have the opportunity to purchase a new Sub Date from an AD. I feel like I should jump on it, and would love to have that peace of mind as this watch will be worn daily.

Don’t let it dissuade you. You’ll have a 5 year warranty to cover anything. The 3235 has been in the Sub for a short time and the complaints are already dwindling.

[TheVTCGuy]

Originally Posted by mal h.

don’t let it dissuade you. You’ll have a 5 year warranty to cover anything. The 3235 has been in the sub for a short time and the complaints are already dwindling.

+1

[Dirt]

Originally Posted by GBDiaz

Hey guys! Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm new to the watch world! I will be purchasing my new Sub Date shortly, but all the talk of the 32XX movement has me a little concerned. Love the new improvements made, but scared about the reliability issues they've been having. Just wondering, when any improvements are made to the 32XX, are those updates added to my movement when sending my watch in for the interval service? I was thinking of holding off till the reliability stuff is sorted out, but I have the opportunity to purchase a new Sub Date from an AD. I feel like I should jump on it, and would love to have that peace of mind as this watch will be worn daily.

The new Sub looks like a great watch overall and a very tempting offering

With regard to updates.
Yes, Rolex do apply them as they become available. Your preferred RSC will have all the necessary experience and up to date procedures for dealing with any movement issues.
As to the timing of any updates which may become available.
Nobody has a crystal ball so it's a roll of the dice really.
As we are years down the track since the introduction of the movement i imagine Rolex can't be far off coming through with the necessary update.

From my own perspective, if I were to seriously be considering a watch with the 3235 movement I wouldn't be counting on making it to the full 10 year service interval that Rolex espouses and I would be inclined to take a more "old school" approach to servicing and fully anticipating closing it up to a more reasonable 5-7 year interval throughout the life of your watch with the movement in question. After all you may not get a choice anyway, as the watch will possibly be playing up by then and prudence dictates you will be compelled to do something about it. A sort of forcing function if you will regardless of hopes and dreams

After all you won't be much better off than someone with a rock solid and well proven movement(which shall remain nameless) in the event you need an early intervention with your watch, except you can say it has a 70 hour power reserve even if it doesn't meet the hoped for accuracy requirements/expectations throughout the bulk of your ownership experience.

After all it's only money. Right

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by GBDiaz

Hey guys! Sorry for the dumb question, but I'm new to the watch world! I will be purchasing my new Sub Date shortly, but all the talk of the 32XX movement has me a little concerned. Love the new improvements made, but scared about the reliability issues they've been having. Just wondering, when any improvements are made to the 32XX, are those updates added to my movement when sending my watch in for the interval service? I was thinking of holding off till the reliability stuff is sorted out, but I have the opportunity to purchase a new Sub Date from an AD. I feel like I should jump on it, and would love to have that peace of mind as this watch will be worn daily.

I purchased two more 32XX watches after i had my initial issue with my DJ36... I'm in the boat of Rolex will fix it properly one day.

[minute_man]

My DJ41 bought new on April 09, started at +4-5" or more per day.
Wearing it almost exclusively on weekdays at work and resting it DU overnight.
Settled to +/-0" after a week. It has remained so since.
I check it every Friday afternoon.
The 70 hours power reserve is a great feature as I don't need to set it on Monday morning.

[amanbra]

Originally Posted by minute_man

My DJ41 bought new on April 09, started at +4-5" or more per day.
Wearing it almost exclusively on weekdays at work and resting it DU overnight.
Settled to +/-0" after a week. It has remained so since.
I check it every Friday afternoon.
The 70 hours power reserve is a great feature as I don't need to set it on Monday morning.

Hey when the movement is in spec the accuracy is epic.

My dj started showing issues one year in. Ym after 15 months.

Of course not all of them show issues.

Somehow though I’m two from two.


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[Dennisoul]

16570 Explorer 2 ….2006 model, bought in 2018…serviced 2018
Full wind test…
All protocols followed….will do a 24 hour test tomorrow…



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[amanbra]

Okay as my 126655 I sold it and got out to break even. How good is Rolex where you can do this. I still have my problem DJ36 but that one has sentimental value so it's staying with me.

[Onequik135i]

Question for you 32XX owners out there. I had noticed when winding my 126610 to full wind the crown generally clicks. I’m thinking this is an indicator that the watch is at full power reserve ?

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Onequik135i

Question for you 32XX owners out there. I had noticed when winding my 126610 to full wind the crown generally clicks. I’m thinking this is an indicator that the watch is at full power reserve ?

Yes,
When you hear and feel the "Clutch" slipping your watch is fully would.

[Onequik135i]

Ok, thank you. And as a side note this watch is very accurate as in gaining 1 spd I had noticed after few months of ownership. I Ace Timegraphed it when I had first received it from my AD and the only thing I had noticed was a lower amplitude in the dial up position but that was on a 52 lift angle. From my understanding the L/A should be set at 53 for these newer 32XX movements.


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[padi56]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Yes,
When you hear and feel the "Clutch" slipping your watch is fully would.

There is no clutch all that happens when fully wound mainspring just slips in the spring-barrel, just like it would do while wearing on the wrist..

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Onequik135i

From my understanding the L/A should be set at 53 for these newer 32XX movements.

Correct, the Lift angle on the new 32xx movements is 53.

Some places say 55 but Rolex changed their spec on the subject and they have not updated.

Also .. A suggestion in case you have not done it .... Set the readings scale to 99.9 instead of 999 You will get much more accurate results.

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by padi56

There is no clutch all that happens when fully wound mainspring just slips in the spring-barrel, just like it would do while wearing on the wrist..

Please READ my answer.

I clearly added " before and after the word in question.

You may think you have great knowledge of the inner workings off watches but please don't presume others do.

The OP asked a question and got an answer. The answer I chose to give was in a very simplistic generic way so its easily understood by someone who has no or little horological experience in watchmaking.

Relax a bit, Perhaps have a litte drink for medicinal purposes of course,or something, Chill out.

[padi56]

Originally Posted by CharlesN

Please READ my answer.

I clearly added " before and after the word in question.

You may think you have great knowledge of the inner workings off watches but please don't presume others do.

The OP asked a question and got an answer. The answer I chose to give was in a very simplistic generic way so its easily understood by someone who has no or little horological experience in watchmaking.

Relax a bit, Perhaps have a litte drink for medicinal purposes of course,or something, Chill out.

And you have horological experience in watchmaking.

[saxo3]

Always Look on the Bright Side of Life

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PLEASE, let us continue to collect and analyse DATA here!

[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by padi56

And you have horological experience in watchmaking.

I never said I have but in case you would like to know ....... Yes, I do have a little.
That does NOT make me into a watchmaker though.

How about you ?

[Andad]

Let’s all be friends boys?

Timing watches is supposed to be fun?

Clutches slip, mainsprings slip in barrels, barrel has little notch and a bump on the spring makes a little click when it slips.
Works in a similar way?

Much the same really?

[saxo3]

Originally Posted by Andad

Timing watches is supposed to be fun?

I fully agree.

You and other interested followers might remember that I started finding dips (periods with reduced amplitude) in power reserve scans of the 3235 movement.

I'm currently on that topic and do some synchronized measurements. I will report here, for interested watch fans.

In the meantime, all positive contributions, preferably with more and new 32xx movement data, still are much appreciated.

[Dennisoul]

24 hour test for my 16570 …watch left DU and untouched till 24 hours test….


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[CharlesN]

Originally Posted by Andad

Timing watches is supposed to be fun?

It isn't fun at all !

I am missing wearing by Sub-date whilst its on the timer.

But ...

The good news is in just under 4 hours the current test and set of observations will be completed.

The bad news is I want to do another test. straight away afterwards.