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9 October 2021, 12:12 AM | #31 |
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You contact KV and commission one. It use to be fairly easy but of course takes time. Maybe in this market that has changed. A few guys here have done it over the years.
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If you want a preowned Journe you basically need to contact watchbox. They have them.
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1815 chrono by a mile. It's the better finished watch. More important watch from a horology standpoint. Adds a very useful complication.
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See the photos, I tried the 1815 chronograph at lange boutique. Good looking but I chose Journe.
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I could not have stated this better....
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When I inquired about 3 months ago, it is about $70000 for a base model with steel or titanium. But the cost can vary a lot depending on how you are going to customize it. KV’s dial work is amazing and you can definitely get into the sky is the limit situation. And it was about two years and the last couple of months will be the most “intense” period as it is when you finalize your dial and/or case design. Not sure what it is like now but I can imagine that it will be longer as more people are aware of his work. So the LM101 would be my temporary KV fix. |
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Hi, I am interested in getting one KV. What is the model for $70000? I am particularly interested in the 28E. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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If you’re influenced by or buying the hype: the FPJ If you’re buying the watch: the Lange For the same money for these references it’s a ridiculous comparison to make, and nobody would have made the comparison in years past were it not for that hype. OP it’s not worth it for what you get I’m afraid. There are too many instances now where people are told the demand for an FPJ piece is x years long, then low and behold the watch shows up in a couple of months. How many people on the lists passed on the watches? How many people were even on those lists? The FPJ hype does not survive critical thinking. |
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So yes, there may be artificial factors influencing the market. But that's true for any market. At the end of the day we are collectors. And you collect things, because they are scarce and not easily replaceable. That's what collecting is. No denying the Lange is the more complex piece, but that isn't the only factor that should be taken in to consideration. Much like hype shouldn't be the only factor. OP, take all factors in to consideration and make the choice right for you. |
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Please read the CS article from theJourneGuy. The CS looks simple but not as simple as you may think. With the same logic, the 1815 should beat a Philip Dufour which also has been selling for many times its original price and also impossible to get. But I think we are really comparing apples to oranges here. And buy what we love and wear. BTW, I am a big Lange fan and think that 1815 is very good value and have one of the best movements out there. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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The demand is not where you might be led to believe, I’m afraid. Anyone can buy whatever they want, OP asked, I answered, and with high specificity in why. It’s hard to hear, I know, and harder to address that specificity. But it’s a simple hype equation. Doesn’t bother me one bit if you buy all the watches over retail, but I’m not in your boat. Rolex ≠ FPJ, not even close. Watchbox had a coordinated, long term program to talk up and hype FPJ watches, and it worked. They couldn’t give these FPJ watches away before Watchbox began their campaign of YouTube videos. And I give them kudos for that, they masterfully took watches that you couldn’t give away and turned it into what you are so keen on defending today. And I’ll tel you another thing, people in the FPJ organization themselves openly call these prices and the people paying them stupid. FPJ for its part is just getting while the getting’s good. They for their own actions don’t even know how they got there but everyone acknowledges what Watchbox did. You don’t know why you’re chasing it, you just know that you are because “that’s how things are.” That’s what the equivocation above can be boiled down to. Let’s get real for a second. No one should say FPJ without saying Watchbox. If they do that shows at the very least that they weren’t there before Watchbox, or during Watchbox’s time undertaking this task. I was. Were you? |
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I think the FPJ price craze was mostly after one auction at the end of 2019. Watchbox helped but that’s also why they are no longer an AD. I would refuse to pay over retail for a FPJ too. But at least the Journe boutique would not coerce you to spend on items you do not want in order to get a watch. Most Rolex, AP, PP dealers all now want to you spend $X to get a sub/RO/Nautilus. But we should all buy what we love and wear and not what people on this forum likes. And most definitely not to buy one as an “investment”. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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1815 and CS are, as starting points, in the same place as one another. They are direct competitors in the same price range, it’s obviously no longer an apples to apples comparison, because you have now added an orange to one apple, a chrono to the 1815. It’s a valid comparison to speak of, a regular BMW 3 series and a regular Alfa Romeo Guilia. With the chrono you’ve turned the 3er into an M3. And the regular Giulia is priced like the M3. No one in their right mind would compare an 1815 chrono to a Dufour. I know what I’m paying for, horologically, in buying a Dufour. I don’t know what I’m paying for horologically in buying a CS for the same price as an 1815 chrono. Do you? It’s buying the (manufactured) hype. |
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I was bringing up Dufour since you seems to be comparing the 1815 chronograph as a complication to a simple CS. Anyway, we should all buy what we like. As for price range, the list of a CS is cheaper than the 1815. And I agree that buying at the “hyped” aftermarket is nuts for any modern watches. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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Incorrect, I got into FPJ 10 years ago, having read an online article about them, and later I watched a rather quirky YT documentary about the brand and the man. I bought my Octa RDM five years ago.
Instagram has since popularised FPJ, unfortunately IMO. Any watch enthusiast paying attention knew about FPJ years earlier. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ciWgA1QiMk |
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Then the hype came along, on the backs of Watchbox’s secondary market inventory controls and commensurate pricing controls. Watchbox has been hyping FPJ for years, Watchbox controls most of the secondhand inventory, and has for years and years, before the hype. Do you deny that? Just because you weren’t aware of it doesn’t mean it didn’t happen. Edit: an FPJ promotional video from 7 years ago, what does that prove? There are collectors who bought the watches over 2 decades ago, so what? Big discounts and still lost on them when sold. Now go look back at videos to see how many years long Watchbox has been hyping FPJ and controlling the secondhand market in pricing and inventory. Please report back when you find this buildup and control moves the prices and built the hype. Even those within FPJ don’t deny that, but you do? The simplistic “Instagram hype” line regurgitated all over the Internet doesn’t apply here without missing the actual facts. If you believe this happened to FPJ over organic Instagram hype I have a bridge to sell you. |
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I really like your combination of brown calf strap with the RG CS white dial. It is elegant without going to the more expensive alligator strap. Did you obtain that from the boutique? Does yours come with a buckle or deployant clasp.
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Yes, I do. I got two straps when I got the CS from boutique. It is a buckle and i think I need to pay extra if I want a deployant clasp. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk |
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We are strap twins. That’s the one I just put onto my RQ. Hopefully to haul me over until an TV shows up. |
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