Will work or not??

[Michael1968]

Only theoretical scenario
In theory you are small spender in AD. Over 2 years you bought 3 watches ( whatever Tudor, Omega or IWC). You are registered for Explorer I or II ( something not very hard to get but still people have to wait). You waiting 1-2 years but you didn’t get your Rolex. So, you are going to the AD and told them that if they will not sell you that Rolex you will go away and buy it on grey market. Are they bring something from the back ( maybe not that watch you want but DJ 36 or Air King) or AD manager will let you leave and they will lose a costumer.

What reaction will AD take? What do you think about this?

[minute_man]

You cannot know for sure and neither can we.
I'd be very firm on the exact watch that I want and discuss a reasonable time frame for them to deliver.
I would NOT buy whatever thrown at me.

[1William]

No reason to play that game and you run the risk of negating the other purchases and never getting a watch. Go in to the AD and have a conversation about expectations, yours and the AD's. Ask for a time frame, remind them of your spend history and see what they say. If they say sometime in the future and no specifics ask to speak to the manager and have a similar respectful conversation with them. You will have a feel when you leave if a watch is in the future or they are just stringing you along. Either way you will want watches in the future so why threaten or catch an attitude just smile and thank them and do what is in your best interest. Contact a Trusted Seller, negotiate your best price and buy the watch if the AD does not come through. You will get a call from the AD eventually but if you go the Trusted Seller route just tell the AD that another watch is what you want and start the waiting game all over. Never tell the AD any of your buying practices. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[beshannon]

Why would anyone buy something they do not want?

The desperation is clear.

[JayHantz]

I think that the AD reaction is subjective to the actual AD and the market they are in. Some ADs don’t ind about losing a customer because there will be another to take your place. Some may bring something from the back to see if you’re interested, and some will make an effort to get you what you want.

Best thing is 1William’s advice. Have a respectful conversation with your AD and lay out expectations.

[amh]

If you try that 'plan' OP they'll just say "Buh Bye!" ADs don't care, their lists are still long (and distinguished )

Originally Posted by 1William

No reason to play that game and you run the risk of negating the other purchases and never getting a watch. Go in to the AD and have a conversation about expectations, yours and the AD's. Ask for a time frame, remind them of your spend history and see what they say. If they say sometime in the future and no specifics ask to speak to the manager and have a similar respectful conversation with them. You will have a feel when you leave if a watch is in the future or they are just stringing you along. Either way you will want watches in the future so why threaten or catch an attitude just smile and thank them and do what is in your best interest. Contact a Trusted Seller, negotiate your best price and buy the watch if the AD does not come through. You will get a call from the AD eventually but if you go the Trusted Seller route just tell the AD that another watch is what you want and start the waiting game all over. Never tell the AD any of your buying practices. Good luck and let us know how it goes.

^^^^ Better plan

Explorer prices have also fallen recently. Should be able to find one for a very modest markup over [MSRP+Tax]

[amh]

Recent video. Guy observes that ADs always tell him "There nothing in stock!" but yet he sees people in the back room being shown watches all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrcRzzHddhw

Fact: If you are small fry, ADs will lie to your face about their stock. They have plenty of watches, just not for you.

Once the grey prices hit your threshold, buy and move on with your life.

[Bxtek]

Originally Posted by amh

Recent video. Guy observes that ADs always tell him "There nothing in stock!" but yet he sees people in the back room being shown watches all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrcRzzHddhw

Fact: If you are small fry, ADs will lie to your face about their stock. They have plenty of watches, just not for you.

Once the grey prices hit your threshold, buy and move on with your life.

For someone in the watch hobby (like all of us AND that guy in the video), what he experienced is truly no surprise. We all know that scenario has been happening, whether we actually see it right in front of us or not.

In fact, the same thing happened to me! Myself and another guy were all casually talking to the same SA. All 3 of us were discussing the current market, various hot SS model watches and other watch topics. The SA also mentioned to us that the only thing they had in stock was an all YG ladies DJ on President bracelet, which just sold. Nothing else in stock. I eventually left and browsed the store looking at other brands of watches they had. At a later point, I circled back around to the Rolex area and the same SA and the same customer were in the back office looking at watches. I could see they had a coffin on the table. When I peeked back there closer, the SA gave me the stink eye and lowered the watch in his hands so that I couldn't see what it was. Sure, that was a little concerning, but we all know the games with Rolex and I was not surprised.

[EEpro]

You need to buy a white Daytona grey and go talk to them about your explorer. You'll get it then.

[Cigars&Watches]

Originally Posted by Michael1968

Only theoretical scenario
In theory you are small spender in AD. Over 2 years you bought 3 watches ( whatever Tudor, Omega or IWC). You are registered for Explorer I or II ( something not very hard to get but still people have to wait). You waiting 1-2 years but you didn’t get your Rolex. So, you are going to the AD and told them that if they will not sell you that Rolex you will go away and buy it on grey market. Are they bring something from the back ( maybe not that watch you want but DJ 36 or Air King) or AD manager will let you leave and they will lose a costumer.

What reaction will AD take? What do you think about this?

As others have said, I would not burn that bridge. The market is changing and there aren't as many buyers as there was a month ago (although still plenty). If the market continues downward I think your spend history will put you in contention (but not as yet). Have a polite conversation and realistic expectations on when you can get your watch. If you don't want to wait then go grey. If they call you in a year from now maybe parlay that into a different model..


Best of luck

[Cigars&Watches]

Originally Posted by amh

Recent video. Guy observes that ADs always tell him "There nothing in stock!" but yet he sees people in the back room being shown watches all day long.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YrcRzzHddhw

Fact: If you are small fry, ADs will lie to your face about their stock. They have plenty of watches, just not for you.

Once the grey prices hit your threshold, buy and move on with your life.

There is nothing in stock. The watches in the back are already pre-sold. The buyers are just picking them up.

[Cigars&Watches]

Originally Posted by Bxtek

For someone in the watch hobby (like all of us AND that guy in the video), what he experienced is truly no surprise. We all know that scenario has been happening, whether we actually see it right in front of us or not.

In fact, the same thing happened to me! Myself and another guy were all casually talking to the same SA. All 3 of us were discussing the current market, various hot SS model watches and other watch topics. The SA also mentioned to us that the only thing they had in stock was an all YG ladies DJ on President bracelet, which just sold. Nothing else in stock. I eventually left and browsed the store looking at other brands of watches they had. At a later point, I circled back around to the Rolex area and the same SA and the same customer were in the back office looking at watches. I could see they had a coffin on the table. When I peeked back there closer, the SA gave me the stink eye and lowered the watch in his hands so that I couldn't see what it was. Sure, that was a little concerning, but we all know the games with Rolex and I was not surprised.

I've been on both sides of that. Ive been picking up two pieces when people have been asking and told there is nothing in stock and I've been in many times when people are walking out with the green Rolex Bags. It's the nature of the beast. You hope your time comes soon

[brandrea]

Strange times.

I’d be clear about what I want and either wait it out, or seek out a new AD. If I’m really impatient, I’d go gray I guess.

I wouldn’t buy any watch they offered up as a runner up

[rolex16]

Originally Posted by Cigars&Watches

There is nothing in stock. The watches in the back are already pre-sold. The buyers are just picking them up.

Why can't they just say that instead of lying to people? The dishonesty is what pisses people off.

[bp1000]

Dont buy what you dont want.

Difference between not having anything in stock and watches being sold in the display rooms to existing clients that have been waiting.

Nobody knows for sure but it would be quite unusual for any AD not to deliver an explorer even to a new customer.

Trouble with that watch is, we are only a couple of years in (well not even that) and Rolex will be servicing the higher than typical demand for this piece with their existing good clients.

[ArtNouveau]

Originally Posted by rolex16

Why can't they just say that instead of lying to people? The dishonesty is what pisses people off.

I don’t characterize this as dishonesty, just semantics. They may have some watches “in stock” but they are already sold and awaiting customer pickup. Therefore they are not “in stock” for immediate delivery to a walk-in customer.
People believe what they want to believe but I have zero reason to think my high volume Boutique hoardes non-allocated watches in the back. They have hundreds if not thousands of past and current clients who buy all of their incoming inventory as soon as it comes in and they get their call to come pick it up. The rare exception would probably be a bejeweled woman’s watch that is not in high demand, that would likely be put in the case.

[rolex16]

Originally Posted by ArtNouveau

I don’t characterize this as dishonesty, just semantics. They may have some watches “in stock” but they are already sold and awaiting customer pickup. Therefore they are not “in stock” for immediate delivery to a walk-in customer.
People believe what they want to believe but I have zero reason to think my high volume Boutique hoardes non-allocated watches in the back. They have hundreds if not thousands of past and current clients who buy all of their incoming inventory as soon as it comes in and they get their call to come pick it up. The rare exception would probably be a bejeweled woman’s watch that is not in high demand, that would likely be put in the case.

Plenty of stories of people getting called back when in the parking lot, etc. also new buyers walking in and getting. So there is blatant lying, it is not semantics. How about a real convo like, we get the watches all the time, they are pre-sold, our list is closed (or if you want to wait, it will be a year or two and we can take your name).

[jets]

Originally Posted by Michael1968

Only theoretical scenario
In theory you are small spender in AD. Over 2 years you bought 3 watches ( whatever Tudor, Omega or IWC). You are registered for Explorer I or II ( something not very hard to get but still people have to wait). You waiting 1-2 years but you didn’t get your Rolex. So, you are going to the AD and told them that if they will not sell you that Rolex you will go away and buy it on grey market. Are they bring something from the back ( maybe not that watch you want but DJ 36 or Air King) or AD manager will let you leave and they will lose a costumer.

What reaction will AD take? What do you think about this?

Good luck. That’s like trying to rob a person with an orange toy gun. They’ll just laugh at you, but in only on the inside.


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[Bxtek]

Originally Posted by Cigars&Watches

I've been on both sides of that. Ive been picking up two pieces when people have been asking and told there is nothing in stock and I've been in many times when people are walking out with the green Rolex Bags. It's the nature of the beast. You hope your time comes soon

Thank you. Yes, I totally agree with your other reply about these pieces being pre-sold, and what we are seeing are customers picking their items up. It can definitely appear on face value like you're being told that there's nothing to buy, but the person next to you is able to buy something. I totally get this.

With my experience that I previously described, I actually was talking to the SA first and the 3rd customer walked up afterwards. Before the 3rd person arrived, the SA had already told me about the ladies YG DJ that just sold and that there was nothing in stock. The 3rd person then walked up, introduced himself to both myself and the SA, then asked the same question I did which was if there was anything in stock? The SA gave the same answer. In the conversation between the 3 of us, it was revealed that the 3rd person was not from the area and it was his first time in that particular AD. So, this person was NOT an established client who had a pre-ordered watch, but was able to gain "inside" access enough for the SA to show him available watch(es).

I will also add that I was wearing my vintage 1601 SS 36mm DJ on Jubilee, but the 3rd person was wearing the JUST released brand new (at the time) SS Sky-D with blue dial on Jubilee. The SA obviously saw that between myself and the 3rd person, that the 3rd person probably had a lot of buying power and was worthy of "opening up the safe" for? These are the "games" that we all know that happen behind the scenes!

[Cigars&Watches]

Originally Posted by Bxtek

Thank you. Yes, I totally agree with your other reply about these pieces being pre-sold, and what we are seeing are customers picking their items up. It can definitely appear on face value like you're being told that there's nothing to buy, but the person next to you is able to buy something. I totally get this.

With my experience that I previously described, I actually was talking to the SA first and the 3rd customer walked up afterwards. Before the 3rd person arrived, the SA had already told me about the ladies YG DJ that just sold and that there was nothing in stock. The 3rd person then walked up, introduced himself to both myself and the SA, then asked the same question I did which was if there was anything in stock? The SA gave the same answer. In the conversation between the 3 of us, it was revealed that the 3rd person was not from the area and it was his first time in that particular AD. So, this person was NOT an established client who had a pre-ordered watch, but was able to gain "inside" access enough for the SA to show him available watch(es).

I will also add that I was wearing my vintage 1601 SS 36mm DJ on Jubilee, but the 3rd person was wearing the JUST released brand new (at the time) SS Sky-D with blue dial on Jubilee. The SA obviously saw that between myself and the 3rd person, that the 3rd person probably had a lot of buying power and was worthy of "opening up the safe" for? These are the "games" that we all know that happen behind the scenes!

Thanks for the the extra detail... Yes that does suck... Us smaller fish have to put up with this unfortunately...

[IgCarr]

Originally Posted by Bxtek

Thank you. Yes, I totally agree with your other reply about these pieces being pre-sold, and what we are seeing are customers picking their items up. It can definitely appear on face value like you're being told that there's nothing to buy, but the person next to you is able to buy something. I totally get this.

With my experience that I previously described, I actually was talking to the SA first and the 3rd customer walked up afterwards. Before the 3rd person arrived, the SA had already told me about the ladies YG DJ that just sold and that there was nothing in stock. The 3rd person then walked up, introduced himself to both myself and the SA, then asked the same question I did which was if there was anything in stock? The SA gave the same answer. In the conversation between the 3 of us, it was revealed that the 3rd person was not from the area and it was his first time in that particular AD. So, this person was NOT an established client who had a pre-ordered watch, but was able to gain "inside" access enough for the SA to show him available watch(es).

I will also add that I was wearing my vintage 1601 SS 36mm DJ on Jubilee, but the 3rd person was wearing the JUST released brand new (at the time) SS Sky-D with blue dial on Jubilee. The SA obviously saw that between myself and the 3rd person, that the 3rd person probably had a lot of buying power and was worthy of "opening up the safe" for? These are the "games" that we all know that happen behind the scenes!

My good friend has a special salute for the SA